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Anárion
10-07-2002, 04:46 AM
Ok, I know that Sauron made the One Ring of Power and he is its master, but I have a question:
Why does everyone just turn invisable when they put it on, yet Sauron is some all powerful god or something....???
And plus, if Gandalf or Saruman got the ring, would they just be invisable when they put it on? Or would they be a huge all powerful god too?
I was reading some posts on the ring and they question was brought to my mind...
Think about it: Gollum, Frodo, Bilbo, Isildur and Samwise all put the ring on at some time, but they only turned invisable. Why doesnt Sauron turn ivisable and hes some all powerful god or something? I mean, just being the maker doesnt change anything......does it???:confused:

Ciryaher
10-07-2002, 07:38 AM
Actually, Sauron was a lesser "god", and he had enough power to wield the Ring's full power.

Gary Gamgee
10-07-2002, 10:26 PM
invisibilty is only conferred to mortals who use the rings of power. Sauron Gandalf and such would not become invisible with the ring, neither would the Elves because they are all immortal. Mortals do not have the power to weild it so the power of the ring takes over and transports them to the world of the invisible (you can also see the dead when wearing the ring), Elves and 'gods' already exist in that world, though i do not know why mortal wearers are still rendered invisible to their immotal counterparts.

gate7ole
10-08-2002, 12:58 AM
The Ruling ring of power was not just a simple magic ring, like the three elven rings. When Sauron forged it, he put in it a part of his spirit. He risked it, because in that way when wearing the ring, he was able to dominate all the other rings. This was his ultimate purpose: to dominate the minds of the elves that wore the elven rings, as well as the other ring-bearers.
From the description above, it can be understood why Sauron gained far greater strength wearing the ring. Also, he was the mightiest spirit of ME. Not Gandalf or Saruman, not of course any elf or mortal could match his strength. The ring's powers boosted according to the bearer. Frodo could only use the ability of invisibility of the ring. Gandalf on the other hand would be able to use most of its power and become a Dark Lord in the place of Sauron, because as you know that the Ruling Ring corrupted ecerything in the long run.
Especially for the invisibility, Gary Gamgee says correctly that elves and maiar are bound to the earth, never leave it and thus they belong to both the Seen and Unseen. Mortals don't and so, the rind affects in that way.

Anárion
10-08-2002, 01:14 AM
Oh.......okay......I guess that clears things up.....

Brent
10-25-2002, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by Gary Gamgee
invisibilty is only conferred to mortals who use the rings of power. Sauron Gandalf and such would not become invisible with the ring, neither would the Elves because they are all immortal. Mortals do not have the power to weild it so the power of the ring takes over and transports them to the world of the invisible (you can also see the dead when wearing the ring), Elves and 'gods' already exist in that world, though i do not know why mortal wearers are still rendered invisible to their immotal counterparts.

I'm not sure I would say that is strictly correct, the ring transports the mortal wearer to the wraith world or partly to the wraith world - where the Nazgul reside, remember the Nazgul have very limited perception of our world while the ringwearer doesn't seem to be effected, he shifts slightly - you can't see him but he can still intereact perfectly well in the physical world.
The Elves, Maia and Valar have a "shade" or presence in this wraith world already but they do not dwell there, they don't really exist there so much as a part of them does. They don't see the ringwearer because they do not "see" into the wraith world they merely have a shade there.

All IMHO of course

Celebthôl
10-25-2002, 07:47 PM
actually i think that they could control the ring but it would just devour their goodness, in FOTR isn't there a coversation between Galadriel and Frodo which goes somthing like

Frodo "I would ask one thing before we go", "a thing that i often meant to ask gandalf in rivendell.I am permitted to wear the one ring: why cannot i see all the others and know the thoughts of those that ware them?"
Galadriel "You have not tried," "only thrice have you set the ring upon your finger since you knew what you possesed. Do not try! It would destroy you!"

Celeb (i may be wrong)

Brent
10-30-2002, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by Smeagol
I think you use a false meaning of "invisible". This invisibility is only an illusion to the beholder and to the bearer of the Ring, because Sauron and his servants can in fact see the "invisible" person. From the very beginning the Ring was a means of deception to create a distorted and blurred view of the world in the manner of Sauron. And the Ring was never planned to be worn by anyone else than its maker, so the inferred entry into the "parallel world" of Shadow is only a side-effect of the power (that is Sauron's own) the Ring holds. Wearing the Ring, anyone lesser in power than Sauron, becomes a part of his universe of phantoms and illusions (remember sauron#s function in SIL).
Now this is why the Ring does not infer invisibility to other Ainur (Gandalf, Bombadil?), because they cannot be deceived by illusions. It is also unlikely that Elves would be "immune" to this feature of the Ring, but no Elf has ever possessed it.
hmm not sure I agree, "invisible" means you can't see it, surely under this reasoning the wearer of the ring would not be invisible to Gandalf, but when Bilbo uses the ring he is invisible to the wizard, both in the Hobbit and LOTR. I think there is a better post elsewhere regarding the "invisible" nature of the wearer and it is possibly confusing to speak of "parallel worlds" in a literal sense. I think the invisibility aspect is somehow linked to the mortality of the wearer.
BTW VERY nice logo you have there.

Finrod
11-30-2002, 07:53 PM
When TLOTR refers to Sauron coming backs as a shadow, how can he be truly immortal? Is immortality defined as never dying( being removed from the physical world)?

Dwimmerlaik
12-27-2002, 04:36 PM
Yes that is indeed correct Finrod,
Sauron was a Maiar,and as such not necessarilly bound by the restraints of mortality that defeated the efforts of elves,dwarves,men and even hobbits.
Sauron,like his master(Melkor)was not of our world,and thus free of it's restraints and in the application of such freedom's could forsake physical form if need arose.
This was not however without it's attendant drawback's,as the histories show.
Regards:Dwimmerlaik