Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! (spoiler)

[Jorg]

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Reading this will probably spoil the movie!












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I have let me bin told, that Saruman is going to die in ttt instead of, like in the book, in rotk. that suck big time !!! could some1 please kill this rumor.
I have also heared that shilob has bin cut out of ttt and inserted in rotk.
I think that shelob being cut out is stupid because that would have made a perfect ending, folks that hasn't read the book thinking frodo is dead and that Sam is the new ringbearer. It would make a dark and sad ending and that (after what I recon) is cool.

[Eliot]

You know, if that's true I'm going to scream my head off and cry my eyes out. It had better not be true:(

[Thorin]

Actually, the Saruman rumor was somewhat confirmed even before the first movie came out. And why not? If the Scouring of the Shire is out, they can't kill Saruman off the right way. Why keep him around?

...And yes, apparently, Shelob is moved to RoTK...stupid move. Waste of good cliff hanger.

[Flame of Anor]

Oh, come on. They can't leave the Scouring of the Shire out!!! That would totally ruin it for me. It would be the drags, if you know what I mean. I hope I don't get depressed over this.

-Flame



300th post!!! yea!!!

[Anamatar IV]

i dont see any problem with either of those. If you want to see what lord of the rings is exactly read the books. If you want an entertaining rendition of LOTR see the movies.

[Thorin]

Originally posted by Flame_of_Anor
Oh, come on. They can't leave the Scouring of the Shire out!!! That would totally ruin it for me. It would be the drags, if you know what I mean. I hope I don't get depressed over this.

Oh yes, the SOS is definitely out...It would be anticlimactic to the story from a cinematic perspective.....

I don't even need to make anti-PJ converts, he's doing a good enough job already! And there will be more disappointments and many more changes, you can take that to the bank! Doesn't it all just make you love Jackson more?

I will readily accept them into my ranks, however. :D

[Anamatar IV]

what do you people have against change? What is wrong with a few changes here and there to make a great book into a great movie? Its apples and oranges people! If you make a book into a movie there are gonna be changes and there are gonna NEED to be changes. If PJ made a movie nobody would like hes in the streets. He is making these changes to help the movie. If at the end of RotK there is this HUGE and extremely climatic ending with tons of suspense when sauron is defeated and aragorn is crowned and then a huge battle of hobbits the audience will think the entire movie is action rubble and fighting. Critics have ALREADY complained about too much violence.

[Talimon]

First of all, I am often dissapointed at so many fans apparent lack of knowledge. At the end of TTT Frodo is not dead. The readers hopefully know this, I'd like to think. Tolkien certainly wasn't subtle about making this clear. He made it the last line of the book:

Frodo was alive but taken by the Enemy.

Now, while I agree this change on the surface doesn't make too much sense, lets wait before we see the movie. Innitially I was bewildered by the idea of Arwen, but ended up being impressed. I'm sure PJ wouldn't waste this moment unless he had a good reason.

The SotS is unfortunately confirmed, but I'm hoping the ending isn't "happy", so to speak, but rather "bittersweet". PJ understands this, proven both by his ending of FotR and by quotes saying that the last scene of the book is his favorite.

As for Saruman dying, both Chris Lee and Ian McKellen have been quoted saying Saruman is in the third film. Go figure.

[Flame of Anor]

Originally posted by Thorin
Oh yes, the SOS is definitely out...It would be anticlimactic to the story from a cinematic perspective.....

I don't even need to make anti-PJ converts, he's doing a good enough job already! And there will be more disappointments and many more changes, you can take that to the bank! Doesn't it all just make you love Jackson more?

I will readily accept them into my ranks, however. :D
I would like to see your sources....if they are available. That would be great. I am one of those types of people who likes evidence more than word-of-mouth.

-Flame

[Eliot]

Man, if PJ leaves out the scouring of the shire, I'm gonna hunt him down.
I mean, that's one of the best part's of the book! It's also my favorite chapter!

[Ariana Undomiel]

It would be a total bummer and a loss for the story as well. ARGH!

~Ariana

[Flame of Anor]

Eliot, it was one of my favs too. I sure hope he doesn't.

-Flame

[Anamatar IV]

it is out. No use hoping. But anyways so what? Bombadil was out. We all are sure that RotK is gonna be a very lengthy movie. SotS is atleast another half hour. Whats the point?:confused:

[Mrs. Maggott]

Having already started in FOTR to make MAJOR changes in the story, I assume Jackson will have to continue - otherwise he will be "grafting" things here and there to make different groups "happy" and, frankly, at this point, plot continuity is more desirable than accuracy.

I only ask that Jackson do the best he can to be true to the nature of the characters, especially Aragorn - at least as much as he can be given what he has already done in FOTR! But I really don't care if he shoves Shelob into ROTK since he can hardly leave Frodo where he was in the book for a whole year!

However, he does not have to "kill off" Saruman in TTT even if he doesn't include SotS at the end; there are plenty of other places and situations in which Saruman could meet his end - and they might even be more exiting than Tolkien's. Heck, since we've gone this far, why not go a little further! Another encounter between Gandalf and Saruman or even Aragorn and Saruman (since he is considerably diminshed) might make for some good footage!

There is no sense in everyone sitting around saying that they aren't going to enjoy the film unless the Director does this or doesn't do that. The film has been made, people! Live with it! Go and see it and enjoy - or complain - or both. If you can't live with what must come, DON'T SEE IT! Re-read the book and take comfort in the fact that nobody seems to want to edit that! :rolleyes:

[Anamatar IV]

Originally posted by Mrs. Maggott
There is no sense in everyone sitting around saying that they aren't going to enjoy the film unless the Director does this or doesn't do that. The film has been made, people! Live with it! Go and see it and enjoy - or complain - or both. If you can't live with what must come, DON'T SEE IT! Re-read the book and take comfort in the fact that nobody seems to want to edit that! :rolleyes:

EXACTLY! You dont HAVE to see the movie. Im sure many people will be perfectly happy just reading the books. But for the people who wanna see a very good (you absolutely CANT deny that the movie wasnt great) rendition of the books then dont complain about it. If PJ didnt change the movies they wouldnt be as popular...not as much money...when it comes to it the movies would be a home video of PJ's house in the morning :rolleyes:

[Talimon]

There is no sense in everyone sitting around saying that they aren't going to enjoy the film unless the Director does this or doesn't do that. The film has been made, people! Live with it! Go and see it and enjoy - or complain - or both. If you can't live with what must come, DON'T SEE IT! Re-read the book and take comfort in the fact that nobody seems to want to edit that!

Can't agree enough. I'm actually impressed with a few purists, who have done the right thing and just stopped talking or worrying about the movie. Good for them, and I commend them for it. If you don't enjoy the movie don't waste your time. Your money is the loudest language, and if you choose to not spend it then PJ and New Line will know. Nonetheless, I get the impression TTT will make more money then FotR.

[lilhobo]

Originally posted by Thorin
Oh yes, the SOS is definitely out...It would be anticlimactic to the story from a cinematic perspective.....


why would it be anti climatic??? there is nothing worse than winning a mighty battle in foreign lands then to come home to see your homes destroyed. Thats why JRR had it in there !!!

Oh yeah TTT will make money alrightey, we are paying to pick the **** oyta it lol :D

[Flame of Anor]

I, too, don't see how that would be anticlimactic. Now, one things for sure that if they left off the Grey Havens and Scouring of the Shire that would be anticlimactic.

A reason that I don't think that they will leave off the SoS is that the entire conflict needs to have more to do with the rest of the Shire fighting against evil.

-Flame

[Grond]

Originally posted by Flame_of_Anor
I, too, don't see how that would be anticlimactic. Now, one things for sure that if they left off the Grey Havens and Scouring of the Shire that would be anticlimactic.

A reason that I don't think that they will leave off the SoS is that the entire conflict needs to have more to do with the rest of the Shire fighting against evil.

-Flame Sorry but SoS is definately out... in the action scene form anyway. It will likely be recounted in some fashion... possibly with Samwise reading to his daughter Elanor from the Red Book... I'm not sure. All I can tell you is that if you are expecting to see an indepth Scouring of the Shire... be ready to be disappointed. It ain't gonna happen. And from a cinematic view it makes sense. This movie is much more about Aragorn's ascension to the throne and win his beloved Arwen. The Hobbits are another plot but only one that are the means for Aragorn to complete his quest. Naturally, in the movie, you will have four main heroes... Aragorn, Arwen, Frodo and Sam whereas in the book, your main heroes were Frodo and Samwise. Of course, much of what I have said is informed speculation whereas much of what I have said has been confirmed by PJ and NLC. I leave it to you to figure which is which.

[Anamatar IV]

i dont really see the great thing about seeing Sos. There are plenty of action scenes and fighting hobbits. I guess the hobbits wouldve been funny yelling charge in their scottish accents and waving around kitchen knives and theyre like knee high on the southroners and the southroners run and the hobbits look actually feirceful and...I think im done. But still SotS wasnt that great.

[Grond]

AnnamatarIV, the Scouring of the Shire was the hobbit's crowning moment. It was where they showed the depth of maturity and character growth they had achieved through their ordeal in the LotR. It was one of the most important chapters in the book IMHO.

[Eliot]

Very true Grond, very true...

[Talimon]

I agree that SotS is extremely important, but for different reason from Grond. He claims it shows the hobbits "maturity", and it's thier "crowning moment". I think the whole trilogy is packed with crowning moments for all 4 hobbits. What is really significant about the SotS is that it shows that nothing is immune of evil. Also, it is a deep chapter for Frodo's charachter. Up until then one of his (and Sam's) main motivations have been to save the Shire. Seeing the Shire in ruin puts Frodo's whole journey in perspective. As he so nobly says: "some one has to give them up, lose them, so that others may keep them." This is one of the strongest themes of the whole trilogy, in my opinion. This very theme is said in different words at different times throughout the whole tale. Frodo saying it at the end is the most direct and powerful, and I think him seeing the Shire destroyed has to do with that.

At the same time, PJ seems to understand this as well:

I think my favorite scene of Lord of the Rings is really the end, the Grey Havens, at the very end of film three. To me it's a culmination of the entire story, it represents what it is to give and what it is to lose - that is all encapsulated in that one scene, and I think that it's probably the most powerful part of the entire story.

So I don't think he'll mess up on his favorite scene, especially considering that the reason he says it's his favorite are the right reasons. I think the reason he cut the Scouring has more to do with pacing issues. Frodo being wounded, which is the main point here, can still be made clear.