Heren Istarion

[HobbitGirl]

Sorry I haven't been around for a while. My internet died. :(

Are all the assassin postions filled? If not then I would like to be an assassin.

[Elu Thingol]

I want to urge 'EVERYONE' to take a look at the skills each class possesses in the 'Apprentice Training Thread'. After looking at this you should make your descisions.

[Anamatar IV]

HobbitGirl--You can be an assasin. Elu Thingol--You are entirely right-Infantry men would be too vague.

After everyone has looked at Elu Thingols skills for each class I want to have Elu Thingol recognized for the amount of organization hes been doing lately.:)

[Maeglin]

Excellent work Elu, I don't think I could ever give all those descriptions with such detail, or maybe if I could I wouldn't want to take the time to do it.:D

[Elu Thingol]

I'm going to be keeping track of each guild member's class. Until I receive a personal PM from YOU I will not list you in that class. Also, you must include a paragraph on why you think that class best suits you.

MUST READ!
On another note, I want to stress to everyone that each ACTIVE class(active classes are shown below) should have people in it. There should be no overriding majority in a certain class. If there are a lot of people becoming Berserkers try being a Paladin. Because of our member numbers I 'recommend' no more than 2-3 persons per class. I will not hold you to this, but it is a STRONG recommendation. If you want to be a certain class but wouldn't mind being another class pick the other class if the one you want is full. You should throughly examine each classes skills before selecting.

Now I will list each class, its number of participants, and those who are that class. Here we go

Active, Action Oriented Characters
(Trainer-Elu Thingol)Archers-3 Goldberry344, Eliot, Isildur.
(Trainer-Anamatar)Paladins-3 Cesarfilho, Celebthôl, Glorfindel1187.
(Trainer-Nenya)Wizards-2 Buu, Phenix.
(Trainer-Elu Thingol)Berserkers-1 Elu Thingol,...
(Trainer-Azog)Monks-1 Azog,...
(Trainer-Azog)Assassins-2 HobbitGirl, Galdor,...
(Trainer-Galdor)Healers-1 CloakedShadow

Characters oriented towards more of a passive non-violent role
(Trainer-Galdor)Diplomats-1 Nenya,...
(Trainer-Nenya)Blacksmiths-1 ILLOTRM,...
(Trainer-ILLOTRM)Scholars-1 (Anamatar-Guild Leader),...
(Trainer-ILLOTRM)Scribes-1 Azog temporarily

Remember if you are not on this list you MUST PM me before I write you down!

[Anamatar IV]

just a quick note. I agree that there should be 2-3 of each class and there are 5 wizards yet 3 of them are in the Grand Council.

And also, the names of some non-action characters may not sound appealing (scholars, diplomats, blacksmiths) but they are very satisfying. Like if youre a blacksmith you make custom weapons for all the people...scholars hold all the knowledge (if someone asked you how many stars in the sky youd have to answer), and diplomats get to experience other nations. Please do not just select the one with the most action and coolest name. Because rps can be just as great without any fighting at all.

[Azog]

Put me as a temporary scribe right now as well. I am a monk, but I also am saving some of this stuff, to be put on here later.

[CloakedShadow]

Sorry all for my not being here, and for my just getting my PM today...that's a pretty big, purple oops on my part...:o





Well, if the positions aren't all filled up, then I wouldn't mind being a healer...:D

Cheers,
Nikki

[Anamatar IV]

great. Pm elu thingol saying you wanna be a healer. If you will notice there are no much less wizards. I have asked Elu to remove 4 of them and pmed them asking them to choose a different character. I only want 2 of 3 wizards in the guild.

[Anamatar IV]

may I remind the members of this guild that we have 20 members. Of those 20 7 or 8 are active. So I will be sendind out pms to the inactive members asking if they still wish to be a part of Heren Istarion.

[Phenix]

are you gona remove 4 more wizards!!!

[Azog]

It is weird that with the thousand or so users we have, only 20 are in Heren Istarion. Most guilds have very few members, as I have noticed.

[Anamatar IV]

Phenix--I HAVE removed 4 wizards. But both you and Ponte keep your roles.

[Azog]

Nice to see that we are somewhat more evened out. We need more members to fill up all of these open roles, though. I say that we close certain classes until we raise our member count.

[Maeglin]

I agree, as it is we are never going to get all of the classes filled, maybe not even half of them.

[Anamatar IV]

a class is never 'filled.' We just want classes to be more evened out. Like we dont want 15 paladins and 1 of 5 others. Some classes will be more popular than others and thats something we cant fix. But as long as there is at least 1 in each I think were fine. and so far there are 1 in each at least/

[Eliot]

I sent a PM to Elu Thingol and told him I wanted to be an Archer in the RP. Just so you know.

[Anamatar IV]

Eliot you are already on the list. To find out which character has how many people its on the last page. Im not sure if ive made this announcement or not so here it goes:

since ILLOTRTM is the longest lasting member of heren istarion yet she is my spokesperson/herald/right hand (bear with me here). So you can pm either me EluThingol or ILLOTRTM with your character of choice. And if you are a trainer I want you to pm me with the lesson plan you will be using for each level of training (apprentice craftsman...) and also with what you will call the third level (wizards-sorcerers, paladins-champions...) We need to do these things quickly. Trainers--you really need to start making progress on how you are going to train you class.

[ILLOTRTM]

Uh-oh..... spokesperson... herald.... right hand.... TRAINER.... GOVERNMENT.... SCHOLARS... SCRIBES.... LEVELS... LESSON PLANS RESPONSABILITY... PRESSURE... WHERE DOES IT ALL END? lol just kidding. let's seee...... oooh... I gotta go work on this whole lesson plan thing... hmm, mybe I'll teach them their ABC's on monday.. then numbers on Tuesday... oh, what? Wrong kind of lessons? shoot... back to the drwing board.....

[Azog]

Hey everyone, I got MSN working. If you guys start meeting, I will be able to partake. :)

[Oren]

okay...I KNOW I posted on this thing...maybe one of you deleted it...So, I have no idea who or what it am...can anybody help me?

[Anamatar IV]

hehe. welcome oren.

In heren istarion you MUST choose a character to play. You will be trained on how to be this character as well as rping. the characters are

Paladins
Monks***
Scribes*** (still looking for one)
Scholar***
Blacksmith***
Diplomat***
Archer
Berserker
Wizard (you cant be a wizard anymore)
Healer***
Assassin

Please choose one of these and pm me with your choice. But please dont decide on the name. The ones I have starred will need more members.

[Oren]

okay....how 'bout an archer.

[Anamatar IV]

This has been proposed to me and the decision will be mine alone. I will review both the current system and the proposed system. No one may aid my decision:

Elu Thingol (Berserker): Berserkers and Assassins

Galdor (Assassin): Paladins and Archers

ILLOTRTM (Blacksmith): Blacksmiths

Azog (Monk): Monks and Wizards

Anamatar (Scholar): Scholars and Scribes

Nenya (Diplomat): Diplomats


Archers:
Major - archery (Galdor), semi-advanced fighting skills, semi-advanced athletic abilities (Elu)
Minor - small ability to make weapons (ILLOTRTM)

Paladin:
Major - horsemanship (Galdor), semi-advanced fighting skills, semi-advanced athletic abilities (Elu)
Minor - small ability to make weapons (ILLOTRTM)

Berserker:
Major - advanced fighting skills, advanced athletic abilities (Elu)
Minor - small ability to make weapons (ILLOTRTM), archery, horsemanship (Galdor)

Assassin:
Major - stealth, advanced fighting skills, advanced athletic abilities, lock-picking (Elu)

Wizards:
Major - advanced Wizard Powers (Azog)
Minor - semi-advanced fighting skills, semi-advanced athletic abilities (Elu)

Monk:
Major - holiness (Azog)
Minor - semi-advanced fighting skills, advanced athletic abilities, stealth (Elu)

Blacksmiths:
Major - blacksmithing (ILLOTRTM)
Minor - small fighting skills (Elu)

Diplomat:
Major - ability to speak well, manipulation, organization, leadership (Nenya)


Scholars:
Major - intelligence, organization, study (Anamatar)

Scribes:
Major - ability to write, organization (Anamatar)

I suggest that each class (Archers, Wizards, Diplomats) is separated so that the teaching sessions inside that class are not taught by the person teaching the major of that class. In this way a Blacksmith would not end up teaching somone how to sword fight. The Berserkers, Assassins, Archers, Paladins, Wizards, etc. would train for their fighting skills under Elu. Those classes who have the ability to make weapons would train in that area under ILLOTRTM. This way of doing things is very much like a University setting. You have professors who specialize in one thing who, with their combined abilities, make the character who he/she is. I understand that, given the limited number of trainers, Elu would need some help. Therefore, those of us who have little or no training to do at the moment (Azog, me, etc.) could help out with classes to lessen Elu's load. Eventually, Elu will have people under him teaching in his stead. We all will. :) We could of course add on to the education given the fighting people by having them take classes from the Scholars, Monks, Scribes, etc. We could play with that. This is my suggestion of how we should work the training. It's patterened after what Elu had, but if you notice I've shortened everything and made it a lot less complicated. Fighting skills is pretty general - we'd have branches in there where the people would be trained in different types of fighting and defense. I've also taken away some things... such as Healing - I'll explain that to you later. :D

[ILLOTRTM]

Wow, this is really cool, actually. I like it! I think it's a great way to run things. It breaks things down and makes them... oh, I can't explain it, I think it would just function better this way. Uh, that's my two cents! Take it or leave it.

[Anamatar IV]

btw--This is not my idea

I have not come to decision but I think I have a way that will work well. There are 2 chances for this to happen (with a few kinks):

If our current system is proven ineffective of has some failures we switch to this.

It seems to me that a big point nenya is trying to have here is trainers train their own characters (archers-archers...). So if there comes a time when we have enough members to have a 3-1 member-trainer ratio with the number of trainers being 11 then we can switch to this.

Also I wanna train paladins:p

Scirbe--Could you take the suggestion down? Again this is not a final decision.

[ILLOTRTM]

Well, let's see here.... I like the idea of breaking things down and training seperate parts of each class. Not necesarrily the training your own class part, but.. just breaking it down really seems to orginize things. But, Anamatar does have the final say. I just think this could work a lot better. Though, I think the original idea COULd work just as well.....I'm a lot of help, aren't I? ;) :D

[Nenya Evenstar]

Ok, I suggested it. :D The reason is not ONLY, as Anamatar says, to have trainers train their characters. It is more to break things down and make them realistic and more simple. If I'm a Diplomat is training people how to fight that realistic? I don't think so.... I'm just going for realism. If we want our RPers to be real, then the system behind our training ought to be as convincing as possible.

I don't like the idea of starting with one system and then once we get enough people reverting to a new one. It would complicate things and cause us to have to redo stuff. I say start with one system and stick to it.

Anamatar, one of us other "bookies" could take on Scribes realistically. I just chose you because your Class is the closest to Scribes. Remember once we get more people we won't have this problem.

Welcome, Oren! :)

[Azog]

So am I the wizard/holiness instructer? *breathes in deeply* "Azog... a non-evil person... Wow..."

[Anamatar IV]

if you want realisticicity (A made up word btw;) ) then we can rearrange who trains what. That would be a change minor enough that it wouldnt take so much adjusting. The suggestion is saying several trainers who are fighting characters train fighting characters UNDER Elu Thingol-THE fighting trainer. And then the same way for non-fighting. I dont like that at all. Each character, even if they are both fighting, has a very different training system. So I have made up my mind about 2 options that I will have the members vote on:

We re-arrange who trains whom so that it is realistic (but I still wanna train Paladins;) )

We use this idea when our current one is proven defective.

[Phenix]

k...if u say so. Anyway... WELCOME!!!!! oren

[Ponte]

I vote for We use this idea when our current one is proven defective.

[Ancalagon]

Hello All,

Just wanted to say hi and well done for the work and energy being applied to the Guild;)

If there is anything I can add or do to help, please feel free to ask. As for the Guild Section, still waiting on our WM to make a few changes, so we will see what his final decision is, but I think it looks positive:)

Keep it up, you are a credit to the forum.

[Nenya Evenstar]

Why thank you Anc! We are trying our best. :)

Anamatar, so you simply do not like how people would seem to get the same training? But they wouldn't... the fighting trainers would train each group of people only however much that group needed. Like a University. Basically that is my idea - to have the guild work like a University. :)

Ahhh... but I'm fighting against something I can't win, aren't I. Anamatar has already made up his mind. But, though I don't have to like it, I will back down. Poor guy! I've put him through a lot. Forgive me, but that's what I'm good at! After all, I'm a Diplomat. :D

But anyway, I would love it if we change it so that we train people of our own specialty.

However, I think we need to majorly discuss the way we train people. From what I understood, Elu's training stuff was supposed to be a guide for Trainers to follow. I think that we should make some minor changes... I find it a little bit too structured. I personally think that it would be great if a Berserker could decide what weapon he wanted to use and get out of his training what he wanted. If we don't do this then we will have a bunch of duplicates running around RP's. All Berserkers will have the same Armor, the same weapons, and the same skills. We need individuality, IMO. I also believe that we should remove Healers from our list. I do not think that a profession such as Healing should have a place in Middle-earth, for healing in ME is not "magic" but something that comes from within - a gift that is born in people.

[Anamatar IV]

First elu's guide was just for organization. If you want to follow it as a trainer then do so.

Heres how it will work:

Trainers DO YOUR CURRICULUM FOR YOUR CHARACTERS THAT YOU WERE ASSIGNED BEFORE THIS. Here is who will train whom:

Me: Paladins
Azog: Monks/scribes
Nenya: Diplomats/wizard
ILLOTRTM: Blacksmiths/scholars
Galdor: Assassines/healers
Elu: Beserkers/Archers

I think this will work out great. But again...trainers make curriculums for the characters you were going to train before this

[Azog]

Score one for us!!! We got Stickied!!!

Sorry. :rolleyes:

[Anamatar IV]

Score one more for us. Heren Istarion is a guild. I would like to have ALL guild trainers to either post their curriculum in the apprentice training thread or send them to me via email, private message, IM, what ever you want. YAY for us!:D

[ILLOTRTM]

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!..... Sorry. Just got a bit excited.... WE GOT OUR GUILD!!!!..... again with the sorry..... ;):D Anyway, I can't beleive how well we're coming along! I'd like to thank everyone for all the contribution they've been putting into this! Hurray! Yay for the HI!... ok... I'm through......... :D:D:D

[Galdor]

boooooyaaaaaaa, we have our own section!!! Anamatar, sorry I haven't gotten the curriculum but I've been really busy these past two weeks, and I'm pretty busy for the next two weeks as well. But I'll try to get it to you asap.

[Anamatar IV]

ATTENTION:

I started the government council rp. The Temple of Heren Istarion. You must play the character that you train for in it. Yay for us:D

[Galdor]

hey just so you guys know, my HI name is now Canalëo.

Anamatar, I think you need to start a thread for full HI rp profiles.

[Azog]

I agree.

When will trainers need to submit curriculums by? I personally am a little dispirited about my assassin curriculum, but it is Anamatar's decision.

BTW, I am going to take the liberty to start the Monk training thread tomorrow, unless told otherwise.

[Anamatar IV]

actually never mind what I said about showing me your curriculums. Just make sure you have a good idea of how you will train who you will train and what you will train them for and start your thread WHENEVER you wish. I will start an rp profile thread. I deleted the last one though i dontremember why.

[Galdor]

Trainers DO YOUR CURRICULUM FOR YOUR CHARACTERS THAT YOU WERE ASSIGNED BEFORE THIS. Here is who will train whom:

Me: Paladins
Azog: Monks/scribes
Nenya: Diplomats/wizard
ILLOTRTM: Blacksmiths/scholars
Galdor: Assassines/healers
Elu: Beserkers/Archers

I think this will work out great. But again...trainers make curriculums for the characters you were going to train before this.

I don't get it, why are we make up curriculum for the characters we were going to do before, if we are no longer training them?

[Azog]

I know... I don't even want to think about assassins anymore. *feels sadness and self pity*

[Anamatar IV]

I said that because some people already started the curriculums for their original character. But as I said: It will get way to confusing. Just train your characters with a good idea of how youre gonna do it.

Also: right now only Trainers and Grand Council members can be in the govt council rp. But once someone finishes their training they can show up in them. And keep all ooc rp discussion on a thread that I will start specifically for that.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Hello my name is Dain Ironfoot I. If you want a profile of me, its floating around SOMEWHERE, I think its on the Un-Sorted RPG Board under Profiles. Anyway, I'm looking to join and I am interested in being a Blacksmith or a Monk, as Dwarves seem to excel in those areas of expertise. If I had to choose right now, I would be a Monk, but I'm torn as to which class to be... whichever one you would like me to be please let me know. Thanks.

[Anamatar IV]

Welcome Dain. I am glad that we have another member of one of the less popular characters:)

[Azog]

New Class creation (this was accepted by Anamatar, but no current member that is assigned to a class can use it)

Mountain King
Major Skills
Axemanship- An accelling ability with an axe, and an ability to care for and repair an axe.
Block
Heavy Armor
Armorer
Smithy- The ability to forge objects out of metal, ranging from weapons to armor to jewelry.
Build (Stone)- The ability to build structures out of stone.

Minor Skills
Blunt Weapons
Speechcraft
Nobility- The ability to rule large armies and/or cities.

If you have any additions or comments, feel free to let me know

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Since I have not been _registered_ as a Monk yet, and I have discussed it with Azog and Anamatar, I, Dain Ironfoot I, am now officially a Mountian King. :D

[Nenya Evenstar]

Welcome to the guild, Dáin! Enjoy. :)

[Anamatar IV]

hold on a second on the mountain king class. Yes I approved it one the spot but JUST as I logged off I realized we need to work some things out with this thing. First: High Council members (you know who you are) since we do not of yet have a place for our matters you can post you opinions here. Also, Azog-please be on msn later tonight

[munchkin]

Can I join? If so, here's my profile(Or whatever it's called. I'm kinda new at this).

Name: Munchkin

Age: 43

Gender: Male

Species: Dwarf

Apperance: Gray hair with long, gray beard. 3'7" in height. Brown eyes and tan skin. Short, crooked wooden cane. Wire-rimmed glasses. Long(If you consider 3'10" long) green robe.

Weapons: Bow and Arrow. Two Daggers fastened on each side of him.

[Anamatar IV]

sure you can join. There are 2 things you need to do now and 1 or 2 you could.:)

1) You NEED to select a character:

Paladin
Archer
Berserker
*Healer
Assassin
*Blacksmith
*Monk
Scribe
*Scholar
*Diplomat

I put a star next to the ones that have the least members. I have not put Mountain King on that list yet because im not sure if we will have it.

2) You NEED to post you characters BASIC rp profile in the profile training thread.

You might want to try out our rp simulator.

[munchkin]

Ok. I'll be a.............BLACKSMITH! I'll check out the RP training thread then post whatever else I need. Do I need anything else for my character other than what I got?

[Anamatar IV]

*slaps forhead* I forgot one thing:

There are actually 2 more things you need to do:

Post that basic profile in the rp profile training thread and read the rp training thread (it says ALL MUST READ NO EXCEPTIONS on it)

[munchkin]

Ok. What is the name of the RP Profile thread just what you said, or is it called something different?

[Anamatar IV]

Rp profile training (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7541)

Rp training (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7524)

[munchkin]

Ok. Thanks. I'll post right away.

[Ancalagon]

Could I ask that HI send their Guild description to Webmaster in a PM. If you have already done so, please do so again, as he is dreadfully busy and a reminder might be required.

[Anamatar IV]

I got to thinking. We are a guild yes but we are a presence in the rp world. And our squabble of an army there needs a banner. So I made this. I only had paint so dont mock it;) AND IF SOMEONE WHO HAS BETTER GRAPHIC SOFTWARE I WOULD GLADDLY LET YOU TRY TO MAKE A BETTER BANNER:)

[ILLOTRTM]

Uummm.... uuummm.... *Trys to think of adjectives to use :)* I'm just kidding, it's not to bad... not like I couls do any better.... ;)

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

OK... I guess I am not a Mountain King as of yet... Please let me know as to when this issue is clarified. In the mean while I will post my brief profile on that thread.

[Galdor]

Speaking of a Mountain King.... Anamatar, ether you or I need to start a thread so that the counsel can make a decision on it.

And don't worry Dáin, the counsel will let you know whether or not there will be a Mountain King class, asap.

[Galdor]

Anamatar, I just saw your former post, forget what I said about starting a new thread.

As to the Mountain King, I am commpletely against it. And are the reasons why,

1) It is a commplete take off of WCIII, and that is pretty stupid. I mean why don't we have Far Seers, Demonhunters, dreadlords, and Tauren Chieftains while we're at it? Granted, we do have Paladins, but there really were Paladins in real life, and our Paladins aren't a just like Paladins in WCIII.
2) It seems to powerfull to me.
3) Just the name "Mountain King" I don't like, why would there be a King in the HI? Kings stay in there own realm, they don't go to some state(ir whatever the HI is called in the rp world) and serve under a few people that make up a counsel, none of which are kings themselves. I mean get real, how will it look to have a Mountain King obeying orders from a 23yr Assassin from Ithilien?

[munchkin]

I agggre with Galdor. Now that I think of it, Mountain King sounds too powerful.

[Azog]

What is your problem with it, Galdor?

I completely disagree with your Warcraft 3 statement, for it was also used in Middle Earth. Mountain Kings controlled armies, and had societies in the great mountains. Warcraft 3 is a "take-off" on LOTR.

They would be as an allegiance to Heren Istarion, and if I can't make it here, I will make it elsewhere. I know that I would have one who would join me right away.

I am getting pretty sick of Heren Istarion right now, for I have tried to make a class more suitable for a dwarf but it is disagreed upon.

Why is it that it is so widely rejected?:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Anamatar IV]

There are classes suitable for dwarves Azog. For one dwarves were excelent blacksmiths. Dwarves would make a good paladin a dwarf could be a diplomat, monk, healer, scholar, scribe. Youre not asking for class suitable for dwarves...you're asking for a class particularly for dwarves that would be an ENTIRE new society. If youve look at a map of the Arthedain the temple of Heren Istarion is not very near any MOUNTAINS.

[Azog]

Well... I was trying to help Dain out a little bit, but oh well.

(I don't care about the actual MKs. I just want a combat class for dwarves, and since you really don't want any more paladins... )

[Anamatar IV]

I would gladdly accept more paladins. The thing is there are many classes who have few members. And Azog-Without a blacksmith there is no weapon. So a blacksmith has just as much a part in a war as anyone else.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I feel there should be a combat class for the Dwarves. I will be a Blacksmith since you are being so adamant about not having MK's but I have the right to fight too. And another thing... just because were not near the mountains, Dwarves travel A LOT!!! I personally feel there should be a MK class, but if not then I propose a fighting Blacksmith class, or at least only Dwarven Blacksmiths can fight liek the rest.

[Anamatar IV]

I was expecting Azog to post our agreement here last night but he didnt. SO I will. If a member decides to be a blacksmith and ONLY if that members character is a dwarf then they can fight.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

But hey, as long as I get to use my big axe and my cool armor, then I will be fine!!!:D Whatever happens, happens I guess. I am flexible to an extent... just PM me with what you think I should do. And when my training will begin, I really want to start soon

[Eliot]

I think how we're treating Dain is kinda mean, if any of you know what that means :rolleyes:.

I think that being a Blacksmith would be the most boring job on an internet forum. What are you supposed to do, type in banging and clinking noises and then after a while, yell "I finished another sword"? I think that most of the classes in HI are areas where you don't do a thing.

Anamatar, I think you should reconsider making "Mountain King" a class. I just want the leaders to think about this for a little bit.

[Anamatar IV]

Eliot have you read my last post? There are other things to being blacksmiths. Once you reach the level of rp training of Government Council rps youd unnderstand. Blacksmiths, as all others, take part in the council. War is brewing and when it is announceed that troops of Heren Istarion need be sent to battle well the blacksmiths then have the most important jobs. They have to make the weapons. Do not think that all these non-action based classes have nothing to do. I myself am a scholar and I have many things to do for that role. Scribes don't have a role in the rps so those dont count, diplomats are some of the most important people for government councils, healers need to heal injured soldiers...Mountain King class will not happen. I have bent my own rules for dwarves to be accomodated.

[Eliot]

Anamatar, please tell me how you make weapons with a keyboard? I would love to hear your explanation.

[Anamatar IV]

please.:rolleyes:

The blacksmith trainer has been given plenty of links THAT HAVE BEEN LOOKED OVER BY ME on the makings of weapons. If you are a blacksmith not only will you be one but you will learn alot of information about midieval weapons. You want to know how to make weapons over the keyboard?

"Anamatar took the note from the messenger. He read it over a few times and turned to his workbench. He started making 4 swords." That's how in a very vague post.

[Eliot]

OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHH!!! That sounds fun!!! WOW!!! COOL!!! (Did you notice the tone of sarcasm?)

[Anamatar IV]

Eliot, there are some people who understand the importance of blacksmiths. In the govt council world swords will break and you wont just have it magicly be fixd. You will need to take it to a blacksmith. You will need to purchase more arrows for your quiver. You (especially you Eliot-as an archer) dont just show up with a life-time supply of arrows and never run out. Things should be real at least in a govt. council rp. Blacksmiths rarely fight. I'm taking a liberty to let dwarven blacksmiths fight. In Serious rps (war rps) anyone can fight.

[Eliot]

I'm just saying that it's no wonder that nobody wants to be anything except someone who fights, a diplomat, etc.

On an (I just said this a while ago) internet forum, there's not much to do as a blacksmith. It will get pretty boring with that job.

Oh, just so you know, I'm not stupid. I know how important blacksmiths are in real life. :rolleyes:

[Anamatar IV]

then you should know that without our blacksmiths all who fight has no weapons or armor. Without blacksmiths we are annulled. we are reduced to but a council. Vulnerable as sitting duck. Action based characters are popular and thats fine. We dont need hundreds of diplomats. We have 1 and a few of those are fine. A few blacksmiths are good and we have 2. We have a healer and thats all we need. A blacksmiths job could be boring if you just think of it as someone who makes weapons. In Heren Istarion a blacksmith not only makes weapons but (as I hope their trainer will be training them) also comes up with innovative ideas for weapons. They DESIGN weapons. They can figure out a way to make your arrows fly farther.

[Nenya Evenstar]

I was expecting Azog to post our agreement here last night but he didnt. SO I will. If a member decides to be a blacksmith and ONLY if that members character is a dwarf then they can fight.
Ok, ok, I'm stepping in here for Azog for a moment... first of all he did NOT come to an agreement with you last night, Anamatar. You only thought he did - he was being sarcastic. Azog does not like this idea! That is why he did not post anything.

I still think that the Mountain King class is a good idea, as does Azog. Why should Blacksmiths only be able to fight if they're Dwarves? Arg! What good is this character anyway? When I'm a Diplomat in RP's I'm going to fight... I'm not just going to sit around and counsel. I will be up there in the action (sometimes)! I think Blacksmiths should be able to fight if they want - I also think that Dwarves who want to join should be able to have another option; thus the Mountain King class. This is why I like the University idea. Things like this wouldn't be a problem because those who wanted to take a class in fighting could! If a Blacksmith wanted to make simply weapons and be defensless he could... or he could take sword-fighting and learn how to defend himself. Everyone would be able to shape their own character how they wanted, not be pre-programmed.

[Anamatar IV]

D'oh. Its so hard to sense sarcasticness over the internet:rolleyes:

We can't train EVERY single characterto fight. Azog's original complaint was that we did not have a class suitable for dwarves. All members can fight if they wish but you cant traina healer to fight. And if you are a diplomat most of the time you should be tryin to find a solution to the war but you can fight sometimes. I admit that my rapier will taste orc blood but only some times.

Dain IronfootI-Please dont get attached to your class for a while. I am calling a grand Council meeting over MSN messenger tomorrow night at approximately 8-8:30 pm EST. Meaning it wont start until everyone is there from 8-8:30. If you cant make it say so now.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

OK, you know, I joined this guild so I could have a good time pretending I was killing things and fighting. Fighting is FUN. Making weapons is BORING!!! When I recently agreed to be a Dwarven Blacksmith I figured Id just fight all the time... but now your saying I have to make all your weapons! :rolleyes: Pssh! Make you own weapons, I dont know what everyone wants. I want to FIGHT!!!:D My suggestion is this simple solution:

1. Create Mountain King Class. If the name "Mountain King" is unfavorable to some due to its WC3 similarity, change it to Dwarf Lord or something. Axe Warrior. I dont know, you decide.

2. Delete Blacksmith class. Instead of having actual people make your weapons, make some additional blacksmiths in the story that aren't any people's characters. For example:

"Dain, after breaking his axe on a trolls toe, took his axe to Charsi, who in turn, reforged it."

We could all use the same blacksmith and make her/him do whatever we want them to, because everyone will have control over the blacksmith.

I DO NOT want to be a boring old weapon maker and I dont think anyone else in their right mind would either. I support the Mountain King Class and I think it will be a great additon to Heren Istarion

Also I do not have MSN Messenger therefore I will not be on. Plus it is going to snow where I live so I may not be on AIM until 9 ish

[Anamatar IV]

Dain youre not in the grand council so it wouldnt apply to you to be at the meeting:p

I like the idea of getting rid of blacksmiths and replacing it with mk's under a different name but heres what will need to happen:

ILLOTRTM will train the new class because it is replacing a class she is trainign.

The new class, ontop of all their originaly traits, would act as blacksmiths to Heren Istarion.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Funny how an insignificant person with a good idea can change someone's stubborn opinion...;) Anyway, the whole MK acting as Blacksmith thing, that is only gonna pass if we dont have to do it all the time. And theres always the idea of a universal blacksmith. But thanks for reading my suggestion and being open to it.

Thanks to the rest, especially Nenya, Eliot, and of course Azog for changing my variable mind. Sometimes I need to speak up a little more I guess.

[Azog]

Just a brief message: Anamatar and I discussed the MK issue, and are making some headway toward it. To briefly describe them, I envisioned Thorin Oakenshield as my role model when I made it. It may have been envisioned differently, thus causing some confusion. It is good to see that Dain helped you out so much.

If anyone wants to discuss anything, I will be on MSN messanger before 10:00 US Eastern time, and after 9:30. (Note-This is PM)

[Galdor]

Well, it is 7:30 my time(8:30EST) and I am the only one on MSN. Where is everyone?!?!? Anyway, I need to get off right now, but I try and check back later in chase some of the GC decide to sign on MSN like there supose to.:rolleyes: lol

[Nenya Evenstar]

Galdor, the meeting is happening tomorrow night, not tonight. :D

Dain, glad to know I was of help! And I'm also glad to know that we are making progress. :)

[Galdor]

Well, Nenya just kindly informed me that the meeting isn't until tomarrow night. I feel stupid now.:o Maybe I should read Anamatar's post a little more carefully in the future.....

[Eliot]

What does everybody mean by "MK"? You don't mean "Mithril Knights" do you?

[Eliot]

Oh, Dain, you're welcome for the help.

[Galdor]

Right now people are using "MK" to mean "Mountain King." It got me confused at first as well.

[Eliot]

Oh, thanks Galdor. Now I feel pretty stupid. :D

[Galdor]

Join the club.;)

[HobbitGirl]

Hi everyone! Sorry I haven't been around for about...a month. I may not have enough time to be an active member of the Heren Istarion anymore. If I can't give all I can to the guild, then I don't think I should be in it. I am quitting HI. Thanks for starting this guild up, Anamatar. It's been fun.

[Anamatar IV]

Very well. I will take your name off the list. If you reconsider-nothing held against you if you come back.:) Fare ye well HobbitGirl.

[Rasec]

Oh... I guess it is a big loss, isn't it, Dan? You must decide now who will take her place, since she was.... a Wizard (or a I wrong?). Oh well... good luck.

'Cesar.

[Elbereth]

First of all I want to thank those of you who introduced me to this guild (you all know who you are). This guild looks great and I would love to join. However, I am unclear of where I should fit in.

My rpg character has never been easy to catagorize into a specific section. I do not fit into any of your given classes, and therefore feel at a loss to participate in here. So if any of you could suggest where I should go and what I should do, I will greatly appreciate it! Thanks!

[Nenya Evenstar]

Elbe, and thank-you for joining! :) Perhaps you could make a new character... OR I could use this opportunity to introduce my idea of how we should train people. Perhaps you all would be willing to listen to my idea? Elbe is the first person who is not satisfied... my way would fix this stuff.... :D

[Galdor]

Elbereth, your rpg character is Varda, right? I would suggest that you make up a new character to fit whatever order you chose. That is what I did, I didn't think my Galdor profile really fit as an assassin, so I made a new one.

And Nenya, why didn't you so anything about this new training idea you have last night? Well, I don't see any reason you shouldn't just post it here, but you had better ask Anamatar first, he might want to keep the GC proceedings like this private.

[Anamatar IV]

it was the idea she had purposed earlier but as you said Galdor, I'd like to keep Heren Istarion the way it is. Welcome Elbereth! AS Galdor said, you could come up with a new characters. I dont like the idea of CONSTANTLY adding new classes to adapt to new members (we just made a new one for dwarves) so...

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Anamatar-- could you post a new description of the MK class, if it is all worked out now.

..and how do you change the words underneath your name?:confused:

[Anamatar IV]

for your first question it is not all worked out. Last night at the council we spent our time squabbling over the name;) But really. There are a few more things to finish and then we need to figure a name for it.

2: usercp edit options change title or something like that.

[Elbereth]

Originally posted by Anamatar IV
it was the idea she had purposed earlier but as you said Galdor, I'd like to keep Heren Istarion the way it is. Welcome Elbereth! AS Galdor said, you could come up with a new characters. I dont like the idea of CONSTANTLY adding new classes to adapt to new members (we just made a new one for dwarves) so...
Thank you everyone for your kind welcome. I really appreciate it.

I also agree with Anamatar that adding new classes can get a bit out of hand. We shouldn't overdo it...However, the fact that one rpg character must fall into a certain class is what I object to. Personally, I have created exactly 9 rpg characters since I first joined TTF and not one of those characters falls into one of your categories. The fact is Tolkien's world is filled with so many types of characters and creatures...I don't understand why we must limit our choices.

I know I'm being a bit impossible here...however, I prefer to build and nuture my existing characters, rather than create a new character for the sake of a guild.

I believe if we hope to be true to Tolkien's vision, we need to make a class catagory for those who choose characters (ie: Beasts, Ents, Orcs, Hobbits, ect...) that fall outside of the classes you have already listed. Even if the Class is listed as: Other

It would be a mistake not to include these other beings of middle earth as they are essential to all Tolkien stories. I believe that rpg'ers who plays these roles need to know how to play these characters responsibly and as true to Tolkien's vision as possible. Therefore, we shouldn't be discouraging rp'ers from choosing these characters.

[Galdor]

I believe if we hope to be true to Tolkien's vision, we need to make a class catagory for those who choose characters (ie: Beasts, Ents, Orcs, Hobbits, ect...) that fall outside of the classes you have already listed. Even if the Class is listed as: Other

I understand what your trying to say, but of the examples you gave, none of them would work. There are no anamals in the HI, so beast wouldn't work, the HI is of good and not of evil, and therefore doesn't alow orcs, but rather kills them. Ents are just too powerfull, and Hobbits can fall under many of the orders given, like archer, healer, assassin, etc, and therefore don't need an order in and of its self.

Understand the GC is perfectly willing to make more orders in the future, and will most likely do so. But right now is one of the most busy times for most people, as school is just ending, and people are studying for finalls, Christmas is coming soon and people are shopping etc. And it takes alot of time to think up and agree upon new orders. Some of our trainers right now haven't had enough time to make classes for the orders they are suppose to be trianing, infact, of our six trainers, only three have started their classes. And if we can hardly handle what we have now, we shouldn't make more work. As we grow, we wil get more people who can be trainers, add more orders etc. But those are things that we are not able to do right now.

If you can't find a order that fits one of your characters, and don't want to make a new one, then I am teribly sorry, it would be very nice to have you in the HI, but if you don't want to join unless we make some new orders, then check back every so often to see if we have made any new orders that might better fit one of your characters, and we would still be glad to have you join, better late then never. And if you still wish to join, and will just make a new character, then that is great, and we will be very happy to have you in the HI.

[Anamatar IV]

Elbereth, when you choose a class its not like your rp character loses what it was and becomes that. They just gain a new skill. I'm not sure if your character is skilled in healing but if you were to become a healer she would gain that skill. It doesnt mean she is limited to that skill though. My character, Ingolemo, is a scholar and he is still fighting. He just has much knowledge.

[Azog]

Originally posted by Dáin Ironfoot I
Anamatar-- could you post a new description of the MK class, if it is all worked out now.

..and how do you change the words underneath your name?:confused:

It is User CP/Edit Profile
Find Custom User Text and type in what you want. (It is right under Birth Date & 2 below signature)

[Nenya Evenstar]

Sheesh, Galdor! Don't chase her away! :eek: I agree with her - it's just what I've always said all along. Our characters are far too programmed! No one can decide what their character learns. Hence my University idea. Everyone would be able to decide what classes to take and be able to shape their character however they chose - we could even take it a step further and let the person decide what to call their character. And why would Ents be too powerful? I think we've taken this "curbing the power" a little too far, personally. I think Elbe's right - but I'd take it even further to my system. :rolleyes:

[ILLOTRTM]

*takes a deep breath* Ok, I'm not usually one to take side because I end up starting controversy (Go figure:rolleyes: ) but I really have to agree with these ladies. I've liked the university idea from the begining. It could really let everyone have what they wanted (sort of) Ok, maybe not the way to put it..... hhmmm..... what it WOULD do is let eveyone... sort of have a taste of everything they'd need as their character. really stop our characters from being quite so, as nenya put it, programed. I'm not exactly campaigning for her idea :D but I'm just saying that I think they're right......
You see why I don't take sides? :D

[Anamatar IV]

I am calling a meeting for all Grand ouncil members (Azog, me, Elu THingol, ILLOTRTM, Galdor, nenya) on MSN for this matter. I plan to make progress in this meeting:rolleyes: If you cannot make it post here. let me say now that I see no problem in the way training goes now and I will be arguing on the current traning system side. it will be a communism (;)) in there. Everyone is equal.

[ILLOTRTM]

*pssssst, you forgot to say what time!*

[Anamatar IV]

:o

8 EST

[Galdor]

Originally posted by Nenya Evenstar
Sheesh, Galdor! Don't chase her away! :eek:

Chase her away?? Chase her away??? I am the one that got down on my hands and knees to beg her to join the HI!! The last thing I'm trying to do is is chase her away!

Hey, sorry I missed the meeting, I've been gone all day. Will someone please send me a pm to tell me what was decided? Oh, and while your at it, send Elu a pm too, he was with me all day, so I know he wasn't here ether.

[Anamatar IV]

yet again youve not read my post;)

Its on monday galdor.

[Galdor]

What?? Your post deosn't give a day, I just read it!!

[Anamatar IV]

Sorry. I'm such an idiot;)

okay-sorry people---Monday at 8 EST.

[Azog]

*laughs*

It took three posts to get that out in the open... :D

[Nenya Evenstar]

Ok, something came up late last night that will not enable me to come to the meeting at 8:00 EST. Is there any way that we can make it earlier? Perhaps at 5:00 EST? If not, then I'd ask that we postpone the meeting - I feel that my presence there is vital. Thanks!

[Azog]

I'll be late then... Oh well... I already typed up what I have to say, and will present it a little late. About 5:15 EST...

[Nenya Evenstar]

5:15, 5:30 EST - all would work for me. Just as long as we're done by 7:00 EST.

[Azog]

Works for me. See you then.

[Galdor]

I really don't have time to get on anytime today. Could we postpone it until 7:00 or 8:00cst(8:00 or 9:00est) tomarrow?

[Nenya Evenstar]

I can't make a meeting tomorrow because I'm leaving town at 10:00 a.m. and won't be back until Sunday. I will be able to get online, but my time will be limited and I won't be able to get on MSN.

[Anamatar IV]

now im not sure I can make it at 5-6. 5 is when my sister has to get on and 6-630 I have diner. And being the guild leader I assume my presence is needed.;)

There are 4 people (currently) who can make it to the 8 tonight...so what I think is the 4 of us can talk it over-me and Azog can present our debates, but we wont reach a final decision. Just talking. Then we can make a new time.

[Nenya Evenstar]

Well, just so you know, I really hate this idea.... Arg! I really want to be there when we start discussing because that is a vital part in deciding things. There is NO way I want to miss this stuff. So, could we maybe postpone this until I get back? After all, we won't be able to do anything with it anyway until I get back.

[Anamatar IV]

fine...NEXT week Tuesday at 8:rolleyes:

I need to work on my debate anyways;)

[Azog]

Nenya and I have something that will be very very supportive of our cause.

[ILLOTRTM]

WHAT??? I just finished all my.... FINE... I'll be there....

[Galdor]

Hmm, this is defiantly going to be a fun debate.:D I also have been thinking about my argument. I know what side each of you guys are taking, but I don't know which side Elu will take, I'll have to ask him...

[Elu Thingol]

I have a pretty good idea which side I will take, but you won't know until the debate:D (besides Galdor that is). Next, Tuesday should work for me but I will have to check my calendar to make sure.

[Neothen]

May I join I'm not a trainee so I don't need training. This is my character.


Name: Neothen Madoc
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Race: Elemental Wizard
Weapons: Elemental wand and Adamant sword
History: Known by few.


Could I have a place in the counsel.

[munchkin]

OOC: Sorry I haven't been active for a while. I've been very busy and stuff.

IC: Ok, let me get this straight. You people kicked of MY class of Blacksmith and put in a new one. I haven't had time to read the new class. What is its name? If it has anything to do with dwarves, I'm in. And seeing none of the other ones have anything to do with dwarves, I guess that means I'm taking the class. When and where will this new class take place.
Could you fill me in on everything that has happened in the past week or two(I'm kinda loosing track of the days, so I have know idea how long its been)? Anyone?

[Anamatar IV]

munchkin if you could be so kind as to post this question again in four days and read my pm.

Neothen: You do need training. I dont care how long you've been rping but everyone in the guild is getting training. And I think Galdor would insist on that judging by your profile;)

just kidding (you do need to go through training though). Welcome!:)

[Galdor]

Neothen, like Anamatar said, everyone must go through training no matter how good they are.

The Grand Council has a Max. of Ten members, and there are nine in it right now. If you wish your request will be taken before the GC(Grand Council), but it is unlikely you will make it in, as there are many other people who have been with the guild longer who want to be on the GC, and there are some people who are thinking of joining right now who will most likely be ask to join the GC.

The first thing you must do when you join is to chose a character type for your character. I'm sorry to say but early on in this guilds history a limit was put on how many people could become wizards, and that limit has already been filled, so you will have to chose a new order.

[Anamatar IV]

Galdor said it excellently:

There is one spot left in the Grand Council and members who have been here longer than you who want the spot.

I'm sorry but you CANNOT be a wizard. You can choose a:

Paladin
Archer
Diplomat
Mountain King *name will change
Scholar
Berserker
Healer
Assassin
Monk

post your profile in the rp profile TRAININg thread, choose one of the 9 classes above, read ALL of the rp training thread, and post your reply there.

[Azog]

Am I fidling up that empty spot, or was there more than one?

[Anamatar IV]

you were included in it.

GC members we are faced with a problem:

we have 6 GC members that will be at the meeting...and MSN only allows 5 in a chat at a time. Each one of ours presense is very important at the meeting. But we have a week to think of solutions for this.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Well I know I am not a member of the GC, but can i suggest an AIM chatroom? AIM is free, so everyone should be able to get it without a problem, and there is no limit to how many can join.

[Neothen]

I didn't say that I was to good for training, because I'm going to go thruogh it anyway and theres a lot and I mean a lot more to my character than anyone can imagine. And thats why he's a wizard.

[Anamatar IV]

Originally posted by Neothen
I'm not a trainee so I don't need training.

You will get training. End of that story.

You WILL NOT be a Wizard. Your character wont and we cannot negotiate that. There was a "contreversy" over too many wizards earlier.

[Neothen]

I JUST SAID THAT I WAS GOING TO GO THROUGH TRAINING! And I didn't ask if I wanted to be on the GC and I didn't say I wanted to be a wizard I want to be a Paladin! ILLOTRTM said she was going through training and said it was a good thing so I'm going to go through it to.

[Neothen]

Just forget it I cannot be around a guild that is going to be rude to me.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I dont think anyone meant to be RUDE to you, but if thats how you feel, its your loss. This is a great guild to be in, once it gets started that is, and if you dont want to be part of it, o well.

And Anamatar is a little edgy about creating new character classes and I think he misunderstood you when you were talking about wizards. WE recently added a new class for Dwarves and that was hell getting it through him. Thats cool you want to be a Paladin, so dont get all huffy.

And you did ask if you could be in the counsel.

[Azog]

Originally posted by Neothen
May I join I'm not a trainee so I don't need training. This is my character.


Name: Neothen Madoc
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Race: Elemental Wizard
Weapons: Elemental wand and Adamant sword
History: Known by few.


Could I have a place in the counsel.

#1- I do see wizard as your class
#2- You did ask for a position in the "council" and the only council is the Grand Council.
#3- "I'm not a trainee so I don't need training." What do you expect us to think?

[Neothen]

It's a habbit that I have the word wizard in my profile because I always am. I don't know why Anamatar got defensive when I first posted, and I feel like **** when someone throws an attitude at me. I didn't know that you only have one counsel which isn't a good idea. Your training thread only talks about spelling and magic overuse. How many members are on this guild anyway?

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

OK I understand what you are saying, Neothen

However if you would have read the guild description you would know that this is a training thread for RPers. You simply create a character and get him/her trained. Thats all that there is to it. Then you can post on the RP boards

Its not required for you to join this guild, but it helps to learn some techniques, and you find new friends that you can RP with.

Still, you cant just join a guild and expect everyone to bow down to your wishes. It doesnt work that way.

[Anamatar IV]

Wizards would not be a new class but we cannot have anymorewizards in this guild. We have four. Earlier this guild was a complete wizards guild-colors orders powers and many councils. I'm sure the older members of the guild remember that with dismay. Only one council? we need only one council. And it is a council governing the guild. Spelling and magic overuse has been hit first yes. Because those are 2 basic yet needed things in rp's. Your character cannot have magical abilities like that of a wizard while you are in this guild. I'm sorry but you cant. You can feel free to make a new character. please tell us whether or not you choose to stay in the guild.

btw--25 people are in the guild.

[Galdor]

Dain, thank you for sticking up for Anamatar and I, and the whole HI in general.

And Neothen, we were not trying to be rude to you at all, and we tried our best to make you understand that you couldn't be on the GC, that you couldn't be a wizard, and that you had to go through training. Saying no to all three things you ask for in your first post made both Anamatar and I rather uncommfortable, and incase you got mad at us, Anamatar and I were prepared to simply lay down the rules for you, and let you decide what you wanted to do. And the post where you said that you would go through training was a little unclear and hard to understand, so Anamatar miss interpreted it and thought you were still wanting to get out of training, and he did not wish to have a big argument with you and so that is why he was a little harsh in his post.

If you still wish to join, tell and we will gladly welcome you. But if you do not wish to join, then also tell us, and it is your loss.

[Anamatar IV]

about my first post on this page:

I was referring to Neothen's last post on the previous page:

I didn't say that I was to good for training

I am sure Galdor will remember me asking him the best way to say no to a member 3 times without offending them on MSN yesterday. As he said I dont want to start an argument on the boards. There are other topics to discuss. If you have a complaint PM me with it.

I want the MEMBERS (note: I do not want Grand Council members to post) to give their opinions about a possible change in Heren Istarion training.

Currently there is 1 trainer for each class (i.e. Anamatar trains paladins, Nenya Evenstar trains wizards...) There may be a change so that this is what happens:

There are fighting classes and non-fighting classes that you can sign up for...like a university. And you train on classes for the skills you chose.

So it is our current system and a university system.

The Grand Council will make the decision amongst themselves but the final result is my decision. I will make a decision by what is better for the guild but I wanna see what members think.:)

[Phenix]

I*m not sure what you mean anamatar...are we like gona make our on charakters by choosing skills of our own choise or what?...


( I've probobly misunderstand this but...)

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Just a few things...

You said Nenya trains wizards. Earlier you said no wizards were allowed. I believe you contradicted yourself OR left out something important.

Second, I like how you are deleting inactive members. It seems as if the only new ones that post are Rasec, moi, and the other guy with Strider for his Avatar. Although, I understand why these new members disappear...

The trainers never got around to training, and that frustrates us new ones. Luckily, I have the persistence of a Dwarf, but I havent yet recieved training, and I know many others havent. I understand you all may be bogged down with homework, but if you want them to stay, you need to give them something to do. (TRAIN THEM!!!)

And another thing, maybe you could PM these new members and tell them training is beginning now, so that may persuade them to come back.

[Anamatar IV]

phenix: that is basically what I am saying more or less;)

Dain:

we DID allow wizards. but we reduced that number to 4 wizards. Only 4 are allowed. And also I have been urging for Galdor and Elu Thingol to start training...START TrAINING GUyS;)

I am contemplating the idea of a combat arena to spark activity...but that's a last resort sort of. If anybody has any better ideas on how to spark activity requests would be harkened. Boy I'm giving you guys TWO things to think about arent I?:eek: :rolleyes:

[Phenix]

you could always start a inn or pub or some thig for the heren istarion...( but I don't think that's alowed)...but I like the combat arena thing

[ILLOTRTM]

Neothen, buddy, look. I think you took everything a little too personally. This is a great guild! It's just... very... orginized. I would suggest starting over with us and cleaning the slate. :) but you don't have to listen to me. Your call.

[Rasec]

Hey, Dáin Ironfoot, I am not a new member! I was cesarfilho before. I do not know if you would remember me, but I may be an older member than you. And yes, thank you for saying that I am an active member. I try to be!

Se ya'll soon,
'Cesar.

[Azog]

For all of you wishing for something to spark interest, I have devised a new idea that will be acceptable.

The Library- This is where in-character conversation could take place. It would be similar to an inn, but not wild (such as the ones in Green Dragon), and spelling corrections would be made.

This would be training/entertainment.

Whaddaya think?

[Rasec]

Very considerable, Mr. Azog. I would appreciate that.

Faithfully,
'Cesar.

PS: Whaddaya think?
Pardon me? :o :D

[Anamatar IV]

I will bring it up at the meeting on Tuesday. The topics go as follows:

Mountain King Name
The Library
*Topic undisclosed to members*
University

[Anamatar IV]

I am hereby giving all members leave from Heren Istarion until January 3rd. Of course you can all still participate in the guild (as regularly) but from now until January the third everyone is active.;) meaning if youve not posted for 2 weeks you can still have 2 weeks after January 3rd to redeem your activity. This is to let people have time for the holidays without being worried. And then those of us (like me:D) who only need 2 nights--participate all you want.:)

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Hello everyone. My computer seems to be functioning again, and I was informed that, through some link or another, I am member of this guild, and I shall be active in it. If anyone needs me to do, or post anything, my message box is always open.

[Galdor]

ok, in light of Anamatar's post, I will not be grading profiles until after Jan. 3.

[Nenya Evenstar]

I'm back!!!!!!!!! Sorry about not posting any notice of my departure.... :o I was very busy and didn't have very much access to a computer. I also thought that I missed the meeting - thank God it's today! :D

Glad to see you here Elessar! I'm sure that you will be a lot of help in this guild!

[Anamatar IV]

A message to all members of Heren Istarion:

The Council tonight can be called a success-alot was accomplished-yet each and every member who attended that meeting should feel at the least bit ashamed. I chose those who form the Grand Council SPECIFICALLY because I thought they could handle themselves in a council. The display tonight was unruly, disorderly, and dissrespectful towards the guild leader. Certain members have complained about mine making to many decision on my own-without the council's consent. Do you realize now why I am hisitant to bring topics up to the council?

I hereby disband the Grand Council for a week. All decisions in the next week will be mine alone.

[Nenya Evenstar]

The Grand Council has discussed this matter amongst themselves and have come up with the following:

1) Anamatar is in the GC, so if the GC is disbanded for a week then Anamatar goes with it.
2) The Council made some good progress in the meeting tonight but were unable to continue their progress because of the Guild Leader's actions. Arguments are bound to happen in any government situation, but they should be respected. Such things are inevitable and necessary in forming a good governing body. Certain tempers did get out of control (as should not have happened) but the Grand Council has found Anamatar at fault more than anyone else.
4) Lately Anamatar has been treating the GC as nothing more then a tool for him to use. However, the GC is not here to merely advise Anamatar but rather to control what goes on in HI by the majority of their votes. They are a body whose purpose is to provide balance and good judgement to all members of the guild.
5) How can the GC respect a guild leader who hardly sets a good example? Before Anamatar left he was swearing! And yet he says that the other members of the GC were out of line? I am afraid that if the truth must be known most of the GC was civil and progress was being made... that is until Anamatar lost his temper and acted as no guild leader should act.
6) The Guild Leader is the person heading up the entire guild and as such should act accordingly. This example was not seen tonight.
7) We, The Grand Council, do not and will not accept such treatment.

[Aerin]

I apologize for my absence; I've been very busy and not able to participate as much as I wish.

If I am not mistaken, am I not on the Grand Council, also? I was one of the Wizards in the old Wizards Guild, and was under the impression, because I joined the HI, that I had a position on the Council, as well as Mithrandir and Elessar...

If someone would kindly fill me in on the details of the meeting, I would be much obliged.

[Anamatar IV]

Aerin-you, Mithers, Elessar, and Elu Thingol were not present at the council so you guys are still GC. And ILLOTRTM seemed the ONLY one acting in a respectful and dignified matter. So she still has her position.

1-I am not suspending you guys. But Azog, Nenya's, and Galdor's GC posistions are void for a while.

2-Yes tempers should be able to flare but NOT ABOUT HOW TO HOLD THE COUNCIL. For the first half hour we had not even gotten past an organized way to speak. May I say that I think this all may have been avoided if on the first minute when I laid down some rules they were not rejected.

3-I called a council. Is that not enough? Would you rather me give up my entire leadership rights to you guys? In fact the GC is to advise me and, if I call a council, then to vote.

4-I said a total of 2 swears.:rolleyes:

Most of the GC was in line? How about Azog's posting useless lines of boxes? Galdors CONSTANT arguing with the council to go back to topics already voted on. Nenya's complete disrespect towards me. If the guild leader gets so frustrated that he must tell everyone to listen to him you do not say know...yes thats right:

"Anamatar says: LISTEN TO ME

Nenya says: NO!"

5-You will accept it because the GC has failed.

If the Council votes against what you want move on. If the guild leader is telling you to listen listen. If you dont understand the simplest thing like how to speak in an organized fashion THEN ASK ONE QUESTION AND THINK ABOUT THE ANSWER. The GC is supposed to be the "good ones" of HI (not implying that the other members are bad). Think a bit more about what happened in the convo before you make remarks like those.


But I will lift the suspension of the grand council. But Azog, Galdor, and Nenya MUST agree to the following:

In all councils that follow all 3 of you will act in an organized fashion, show respect for the guild, the guild leader, and the council.

[Nenya Evenstar]

I am not suspending you guys. But Azog, Nenya's, and Galdor's GC posistions are void for a while. I am strongly considering leaving.
Yes tempers should be able to flare but NOT ABOUT HOW TO HOLD THE COUNCIL. For the first half hour we had not even gotten past an organized way to speak. May I say that I think this all may have been avoided if on the first minute when I laid down some rules they were not rejected. I, my friend, never even once lost my temper. And why wasn't this argument avoided? Because the way you wanted to hold the council did NOT work! No one gave any imput and we just sat there - so people stated their opinions of how it should work.
Most of the GC was in line? How about Azog's posting useless lines of boxes? Galdors CONSTANT arguing with the council to go back to topics already voted on. Nenya's complete disrespect towards me. If the guild leader gets so frustrated that he must tell everyone to listen to him you do not say know...yes thats right:Hmmm... useless lines of boxes? It was a JOKE! And we did need to go back to things that were already argued in some cases - Galdor never got his say in. As for my disrespect... I believe that I was referring to something said earlier in the convo and not to what you said. Clearly you were not paying attention. Besides that I've searched through the entire document in Word Pad and can't find where that occured. I think you are taking things out of context!
5-You will accept it because the GC has failed. The Grand Council has failed? Then I believe that Heren Istarion has failed if the guild leader cannot accept or do his own job.
If the Council votes against what you want move on. If the guild leader is telling you to listen listen. If you dont understand the simplest thing like how to speak in an organized fashion THEN ASK ONE QUESTION AND THINK ABOUT THE ANSWER. The GC is supposed to be the "good ones" of HI (not implying that the other members are bad). Think a bit more about what happened in the convo before you make remarks like those. We did move on after votes. The guild leader was not leading - he was acting very un-leaderish. People were asking in organized fashion, but were getting no answers because other people were worked up. The GC was good last night - but it is looking terrible now after being abandoned by its leader. I would counsel you to read the convo, Anamatar. Perhaps you will be able to see where we are coming from.

If the leadership in this guild cannot get over a single conversation where the guild leader lost his temper and stormed out, then the guild is clearly not worth my time and effort. I will gladly spend it elsewhere. I suggest that either we continue this elsewhere or risk warning points for everyone and unhappy guild members. You are the leader, Anamatar. You should be concerned about this.

[Anamatar IV]

Nenya if you had read my post I said the void is lifted...on that condition.

Galdor was also opting for the council to end, you know.

There is a way councils are supposed to work-people talk and everyone else listens to what they say, then the floor is open for input and people listen to the first person who talks. That was the idea I was trying to get the council to have. When everyone just talks here is what will happen:

I will sense no respect when really it is directed at something else

People will be left behind without say

Topics will go untouched

When trying to get attention I will have to yell and swear so people will realize how horribly the thing is running.

[Anamatar IV]

I have pmed anc and the threads will be closed for a few days.

Problems are arising with certain members and I think it is best if Heren Istarion is put on hold for a few days.

It WILL be back up soon.

EDIT: It will be back up on January 3rd.

[Anamatar IV]

So it was back on January 4th. Big deal;)

All threads are now open.

[Eliot]

I've got something to say. Now, I'm asking Anamatar to take my name off the Heren Istarion list -this has nothing to do with the disagreements that went on just a little while ago- because I don't really have the time to do it.

I know this will disappoint a lot of members, but I think I need to. I'm just too busy. Thanks.

[Galdor]

I'm sorry to hear you're leaveing, as I'm sure the rest of us are also. If you ever feel that you once more have time to rejoin, please do so.

[Anamatar IV]

Good bye, Eliot. There will always be a space for your name on the list.:)

[Eliot]

I'll drop in every once in a while just to see what goes on. Good-bye.

Oh, and thank you Anamatar, Nenya, Galdor, Azog, and everybody else.

[Nenya Evenstar]

You are welcome, Eliot! We shall miss you! :(

[Anamatar IV]

A word to all members of Heren Istarion

We will start the training on Monday so please do not get bored with the guild.:) until then feel free to visit some of Heren Istarion's other threads such as the RP Simulator (3 people have posted in that :rolleyes: )

I will be opening a thread soon for members of HI to post suggestions or ideas for the guild since I think the constitution thread will be moved to the white council forum soon...and if we get some activity from more members we may just start a *non FIC* rp.:)

[Éomond]

The rider that had been dispatched many days ago had now returned from his task. He dismounted his horse and came to the leaders of Heren Istarion, he knelt before Anamatar, and when Anamatar took the message, the rider stepped back and waited quietly. Anamatar read the note:

~lords of Heren Istarion,
the alliance has been accepted with much joy. We wish to always aid and protect Heren Istarion with all our strengh. In battle and in protection, you have our swords. May our banners fly high in the wind to the end of each age. We await you command.
Éomond of the Mithril Knights~

[Anamatar IV]

INGOLEMO;) rejoiced.


"This is indeed good news to behold, those who do not know what Eomond means. During Nenya's campaign for helping the MIthril Knights she came upon a realisation-the Mithril Knights do not know what place they have on the forum. They used to be an army of the white council-well...we have the remains of the white council so it has been agreed upon by the leader of HI and of the Mithril knights to have the Mithril Knights be as an army of HI...but think of it as star wars. They are our jedi-meaning they do not fight with us in the wars but they fight seperately-under the name of both Heren Istarion and the Mithril Knights."

[Phenix]

which of the rp classes is there not that many people in...seince I'm to choose a new one I thought that I choose one with not many people ( or noone) so we get more classes on the run( or something like that)

[Anamatar IV]

ah what a benevolent thing to do, Phenix.:)

Paladins and Archers each have 3 and that is the most of any classes.

I think Assassines have 1...maybe 2.

Healers have...0 maybe 1

Monks have 0

Mountain Kings have 1

Diplomats: 0

Scholars: 0

Berserkers: 0 maybe 1.

[Phenix]

well in that case I think I take assasin... ( don't like nonefighting classes)

[Anamatar IV]

Hey, all.:)

Tomorrow or the next day training will be up so get ready.;)

And I wanted to show you guys a little thing I made of Heren Istarion in Photoshop.:) Enjoy.

[Phenix]

cool...so have the GC desided what to do about the training then?...

[Anamatar IV]

Well as I am looking at the poll it seems 3 to 0 so far towards the new system-but that is not the majority and I know some members will be mad (;)) if we dont do it majority wise so the 4 remaining (or 5) GC members VOTE!:)

[Nenya Evenstar]

If all members of the GC do not vote it is not our fault. The poll should probably end on Monday whether all have voted or not. If they aren't heard then that is their fault.

Anamatar, I love the gold star. :D

[Ruveriel]

ok. i think that i get the point AnamaterIV!!! what is this place for though? thanx for the lesson!! if that what u would call it?

[Anamatar IV]

Ah, welcome, Liv.:) This guild is for helping people who are new to role playing. If you follow the instructions on this thread (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8642) you will be all set! If you have any questions, feel free to ask me or anyone else who seems to know what they are doing.;)

Ps- on the link I gave you in this post one of the instructions is to read the training thread. that is being set up now.:)

[Ruveriel]

Ok guys. you have officially LOST me!!!! what in the world is the training for?!?!?!? does it mean that u have been here for a certian amount of time or what? well if theres training for a Mountain Queen i think it would be fun! (but then again i am not sure what this place is for:( well i hope that you can help me!!!!

[Anamatar IV]

I will start a Heren Istarion FAQ for new members soon:

Heren Istarion (this guild) is training role players. Role playing are like that thread you participate in: Lord of the Rings, a new evil.:)

Everyone gets the training-and it will start soon. I am sorry if I can't make sense...maybe someone who has a better way of words can explain.:)

[Nenya Evenstar]

Liv,

The purpose of this guild, like Anamatar said, is to train role-players. First you select a character you would like to train to be. Next, you select classes which you would like to take (some of the classes are mandatory) so that you can shape your character how you want. Then you get trained by teachers in the art of role-playing. That is about it. You will get trained in a RP-like setting, so your entire training will be like an RP.

If you are wondering where you can select your classes, the thread has not been set up yet. I should get it up tomorrow.

I hope this helps! :)

[Nenya Evenstar]

To all students! Please start posting in The Dorms thread. Post the everyday life of your characters there -- treat it just like you would an RP. Use your imaginations and have fun!

[ms Greenleaf]

Okay I kinda get this so here is my profile

Name Charmiana
hight-5"10 Long golden hair with violet (purple) eyes.
Age 777

[Galdor]

Welcome to the HI Greenleaf.

To join please go to this thread, it will tell you what you need to know to get started with the HI.

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8642

[Nenya Evenstar]

Welcome, ms Greenleaf! Enjoy yourself! :)

[Rasec]

I am back from my summer trip. I guess I haven't missed so much. Are we suppose to post in the The Dorms thread every day, Nenya? Hope not, for I do not connect every day. Well, see you soon.

'Rasec.

[Nonix Dark]

I want to be paladin

I also want to learn the following skills

sword fighting (foot)
Sword dancing
Healing
Wisdom
sword fighting (horse)

:D

[Nenya Evenstar]

Rasec, no, you don't have to post in the dorms thread everyday. Only post when you can. It's just there to add realism and to help create a little "world" in Heren Istarion.

Welcome, Nonix! It's great to see you here!

[Anamatar IV]

Yes, and Noniz--sword fighting and sword fighting on horse are all included in Paladin training.:)

I will bring you into training in the next semester.

[CloakedShadow]

Ah, I'm afraid I am going to have to withdraw from Heren Istarion...my internet has been officially down for two months, and I only have access to it fifteen minutes before school starts, at school, and that makes me sad. But I have to do what I have to do. Buh-bye...:( *sniff*

[Anamatar IV]

Good bye, Cloaked Shadow.:(

There will always be a spot in HI for you should you be able to come back.:)

[Finduilas]

My rp profile is ready and I've used it in the Guild of Elves. Can I use the same here?

[Anamatar IV]

If so be your wish.

[Rasec]

Mustn't the Profile be approved by Galdor before you can post it on the Profile Thread? Well, I've been improving my Profile many times because of his requirements :rolleyes: And it has not been approved yet. I mean, Finduilas, if you have not gone through the Profile Training, then you must PM Galdor for informations. Well, sorry if it has already been approved by him, but I had the impression that it has not. ;)

See you,
'Rasec.

[Galdor]

Finduilas has sent me his profile, but I havn't had a chance to go over it yet.

Gah! Rasec, have I not opproved your profile yet? Or have you just not sent me your latest version?

Ack! Ok, to anyone who has sent me a profile that I havn't approved yet, please send me a PM to remind me about. I have soo many different profiles from people, or just many copys of one persons profile in my PM imbox that I don't have a clue what's what. So if you're still waiting for me to reply to your profile, then just send me a PM.

Thanks,
Galdor

[Rasec]

Sorry, Galdor. That is what I meant, anyway. I will send it right now! And so just let Funduilas know that he/she cannot post his/her Profile until you approve it. Thanks.

'Rasec.

[Finduilas]

Sorry, Galdor. That is what I meant, anyway. I will send it right now! And so just let Funduilas know that he/she cannot post his/her Profile until you approve it. Thanks.

Yes, I know... and Finduilas ( SHE ) is patiently awaiting for Galdor's reply.

[Aerin]

I am sorry for my absence and inactivity as of late; I am just beginning to recover from a particularly nasty virus, and still require some time to catch up on the goings on of the Guild. My Internet time is limited, so I can make no guarantees, but I shall try to catch up by next weekend.

Once again, I apologize for not doing anything, but I have been bed-ridden and not able to do much of anything. I hope to fully rejoin the Guild in a week or so.

[Anamatar IV]

No worries, Aerin. Take your time and fully heal before your start troubling yourself with Heren Istarion.:)

[Azog]

Just wondering... where am I needed now that I am back? Is there a training spot or something that I should be teaching?

[Anamatar IV]

Looks to me that you are teaching:

Races of Arda
stealth Fighting
Hand to hand combat
Axe throwing
concussion weapons

and if you want:

group fighting
troop formations

Glad you're back.:)

[Rasec]

Hello, peoples of Heren Istarion. I have an important announcement to do here. My activity on the Forum will be very limited from this Monday on, due to the start of my school-year. For that, I am unsubscribing from some of the threads, keeping only the most important ones. I will somehow manage to participate appropriately in the lessons (People/Geography/History of Arda and Paladin Apprentice Training). Just so you know, my very activity here will be mainly on weekends. I will try to get online for some time during the week, but I guess that would be difficult and just for a short time! Thanks for the joy, guys! Feel free to PM me at anytime! I'll see you all soon!

Love,
'Rasec / 'Cesar.

[Wonko The Sane]

I just registered in courses for Healing...

Can anyone tell me a little more about that?

[Mablung]

I think Nenya is doing it and she won't be back for a few weeks other than that nothing.

[Wonko The Sane]

:) Alright, I'll just hang out in the dorms and the commons unti Nenya returns. :)
Thanks!

[ms Greenleaf]

I know that you are getting alot of e-mails lately but could yo just tell me if my profile is acceptable?

[Galdor]

Ack! I still havn't gotten back to you?? *Hits himself in the head* sorry. ummm, no your profile isn't ready. But everyone is going to have to redo their profiles, so everything is kind of a t a stand still right now.

[Mablung]

Yargh I didn't think I had anything in conflict with the timeline. The Greyflood which is where my Monastery was is in the Eriador between Minhiriath and Enedwaith, and it is my understanding that is still free (though I am a bit foggy on all of that still). And since the Gondorian thing just happened recently my being born in Minas Tirith shouldn't be a problem should it? So what is the problem?

[Aulë]

Hmmm, it apears that the Iron Hills have been taken by the Dark Lord.
I'll have to alter my History for that too.:(

[Wonko The Sane]

Just a thought...
But since there are RPs INDEPENDENT of the war going on can't our profiles also be indpendent of that as well?

I mean...there are SO many rules. And maybe I'm just a fiesty student...but this guild really shouldn't turn into the RP nazi guild should it?

[Finduilas]

Ack! I still havn't gotten back to you?? *Hits himself in the head* sorry. ummm, no your profile isn't ready. But everyone is going to have to redo their profiles, so everything is kind of a t a stand still right now.

Hehehe, I wanted to ask the same.

[Anamatar IV]

Well it all depends on whether or not you plan on entering the war (doesn't matter with or without HI). If you don't then I assume these guidelines don't apply to you. If you do....then they do.

[Eöl]

This may sound like a dumb question, and maybe this isn't the place to ask it, but...What is "the War"?

[Anamatar IV]

The war of unspeakable torment. it is the war that is currenlty being fought in the forum. It is not a regular rpg. This may take some time to read it carefully:

There are 3 Role playing forums: lighthearted, serious, and government council. Lighthearted and serious you should know perfectly well of. But Government councils is a "real" middle earth. It is serious role playing. In the government council rps there are several territories we'll call them:

Atannore, Mornclaur, Heren Istarion, Rangers, White Mountains. Those are the recently active ones. Atannore is Arnor and Gondor (both ruled by different leaders). Mornclaur is the equivalent of Sauron in the Lord of the Rings. Not sauron the person but Sauron the Mordor: They are all the evil lands and some lands of the west.

The others you should no. well between these nations, territories, what ever we will call them a war has started. It pits Mornclaur against the world just about. But the main war is Arnor and Gondor vs. Mornclaur.

The wars are in the serious rp forum. If you are still confused someone like Elessar can add more. I am one of the newer participants to this to Elessar or someone really would know more.

[Eöl]

So basically I am not allowed to fight in the wars unless my profile meets standards set by Galdor and yourself?

[Anamatar IV]

No not exactly....it has to make sure it doesn't interfere with history of the war. You can't fight in the war claiming to be the King of Gondor basically. You also can't play in the war claiming to have descended from Aragorn and live in Lothlorien.

[Eöl]

So, what if my character couldn't actually exist in Middle Earth? Would he still be able to fight, or take place in the rp? My character is of the line of Eol which didn't actually carry on after Maeglin was killed in the Fall Of Gondolin.

[Wonko The Sane]

And anyway, I am of the Dark Legion...
I support the war...
I don't fight in it...yet.
But I serve the Dark Queen.

What of me?

[Eöl]

I talked to Anamatar on MSN and he explained it to me. Once you graduate from Heren Istarion, you are a captain and you have troops. You probably already know, but the war is not like a regular rp. Instead of saying "Celebrien killed three orcs with swift knife thrusts." you would say something like "The archers of Heren Istarion felled the oncoming battalions with great speed and dealy accuracy." About fighting for the Dark Legion, you must first get permission from whoever is in charge of the Dark Legion's part of the war. So basically I can fight for Gondor if I have permission, but for Heren Istarion I must graduate first. Does that help?

[ms Greenleaf]

Does being second in line for the Mirkwood crown interfere with the time line0...somehow I think it will.

[Nenya Evenstar]

About the War: I would not be worrying about that too much at the moment. Admission into the wars is quite difficult to attain at the moment because right now it is mostly leaders posting for their countries. However, nothing is written in stone and things may change.

I would, however, encourage everyone to model their profiles so that they could fit into the current RP timeline. Heren Istarion is currently its own little world, but it is my hope that someday it can become melded into the forum RP timeline. It'd save you all a step if you made your profiles fit. Just because your HI character's profile is one way does not prohibit you from making new characters for other RP's outside the Wars.

Wonko, about healing...well, I will tell you what I know at the moment. I haven't exactly begun to start brainstorming that much on what I'm going to teach, but I do know that it will be strictly Tolkien-based and stay at that. I'll have no "magical" healing in my classes because I do not think it fits into Tolkien's world. I'll be doing a lot of research to see exactly what Tolkien envisioned for healing and go from there. That's about all I know right now. :)

[Wonko The Sane]

Originally posted by Celebrien
I talked to Anamatar on MSN and he explained it to me. Once you graduate from Heren Istarion, you are a captain and you have troops. You probably already know, but the war is not like a regular rp. Instead of saying "Celebrien killed three orcs with swift knife thrusts." you would say something like "The archers of Heren Istarion felled the oncoming battalions with great speed and dealy accuracy." About fighting for the Dark Legion, you must first get permission from whoever is in charge of the Dark Legion's part of the war. So basically I can fight for Gondor if I have permission, but for Heren Istarion I must graduate first. Does that help?

I already CAN fight for the Dark Legion...

Since I don't want to fight in the war on the side of Heren Istarion does that mean I don't have to follow the rules for RP Profiles?

[Wonko The Sane]

Originally posted by Nenya Evenstar

Wonko, about healing...well, I will tell you what I know at the moment. I haven't exactly begun to start brainstorming that much on what I'm going to teach, but I do know that it will be strictly Tolkien-based and stay at that. I'll have no "magical" healing in my classes because I do not think it fits into Tolkien's world. I'll be doing a lot of research to see exactly what Tolkien envisioned for healing and go from there. That's about all I know right now. :)

Sounds good to me. Magical healing is **** anyway in RPs because it basically writes everything off.

Anyway, about the war thing...I have ONE