Nationalism

[tom_bombadil]

I saw the thread on communisum and I thought it would be intresting to discuss this I my self a right wing but not that extreme I think we should allow a limeted number of asylum seekers and we should close the flood gates. I do not belive in the creatio n of a mastert race or any of that rubbish but I do belive Britian is for the British, France is for the french so on and so forth. I also disagree with Eu and the ECC as they are destroying Britians independence as a world power.

[Arvedui]

Maybe you should check the spelling?
On your want for limiting the number of asylum seekers, I think you might be right, but IMO there is an easier way to accomplish this: If the resources of the world is distributed more evenly, the need for people from the third world to seek happines in Europe and America will diminish.

Aside from that, I agree with you. There is a difference between one country and the next, and specially between different cultures.

[Athelas]

There already exist countries whose populations have reached the stage where mass famine is unavoidable. Historically, this cycle is triggered by drought, then starvation , then plague caused by the unburied dead. Even if the west were to empty it's coffers to save them, this could not be avoided. These are countries where the governments allowed the population to grow insanely beyond their resources. Nobody wants America to interfere outside our borders? So be it. Enjoy.

[Húrin Thalion]

So the government let the population grow that much? Could you give me soem examples please. And don't misunderstand me, I do wnat America to intervene beyond it's borders but not through military action. It is only childish of you to reason: "They don't want us there then, they never want us there."

I do not agree with any of you, there is of course a difference between cultures but why should we let that difference destroy those people that come to richer countries to have a better life. We have more tahn enough money to help people, but we don't because they are not from our culture. When WTC was attacked and Kursk sunk international help was offered by all as soon as possible, but when people starve in Etiopia nobody cares. Sick of this hippocracy. The preserving of each culture's distinction from others is not as important as the life of one person. And who say that a countr's culture is destroyed, I think they just change and may be enhanced.

Húrin Thalion

[Athelas]

China has been doing it for years, out of stark necessity. It's not just governments that are to blame; religions that oppose birth control are not only contributing to unfeedable populations, but the spread of AIDS as well. Somewhere on earth there are still sane people who believe that if you can't afford a baby, you don't have one, and they shouldn't have to pay for anyone else's.

[Húrin Thalion]

Do you think that those governments in Africa are strong enough to do so without help. The Chinese government has it's country in a firm grasp, scrolls over all citizens and so on. In many of these countries there is no form of restrictive government at all. In China the population explosion has been avoided by cutting down on the wage and stately benefits when people get more children. In many countries there are no wages to be cut down, and no stately benefits to be frozen, do you realize this, Athelas?

[Athelas]

They make their own bed, now they can lay in it. God forbid we should inflict our cultural values on them, like birth control.
Besides, our interferance would just imply that we think that they are a child-like people incapable of governing themselves without nosediving right into starvation and plague; we don't want to hurt their national pride.

Besides, why help them recover just to start the whole process all over again? Let natural selection take it's course here.