Happenings in the Halls of Alalminórë

[Maedhros]

This thread has the purpose of the posting of the activities within the Guild of Scholars. Debates and discussions and other activities will be posted here.

[Maedhros]

I have asked the Moderators to close certain threads momentarily. The purpose of this is because The Guild of Scholars is undergoing a reorganization right now, and all activities that the Guild will undergo, will be stated in a few days.
The discussions will be more serious, the participants will be required to at least have read the required readings in order to participate.

[Maedhros]

The Guild activities as up now are the following:
1. Inner Guild Debate
2. Intra Guild Debate
3. Essays
4. Discussions

I'm looking for sindarin, quenya names for this activities. If you think that we could use other ones, then by all means feel free to post them in here.
I'm also looking for a sindarin/quenya for Member list or something like it.

[HerenIstarion]

Misanda Stambe - Inner discussions
Sandakilya Stambe - Inter Discussions
Tekil Tulka - Essays
Ñalme -Discussions

[Maedhros]

Wow, it's always good to have those people of the Rev. Sil Project.:)
I would just want to announce the first formal activity will be an Inner Debate. Boy, and I have just the topic. This will be a debate for the pleasure of debating, we will have no judges. Later today, I will be posting the Topic and the sides, hopefully we can begin debating Thursday.

BTW, HI, is that in what language.

[Ithrynluin]

Now those are some eloquent names HerenIstarion!:cool:

[Khamul]

Impressive!
Btw, what will the teams be for the debate? Pick your own side?

[Maedhros]

I will pick the sides. Hopefully tomorrow I will post the teams, and Thrusday the Topic will be posted and debate will begin.

[Lhunithiliel]

I have just dropped by to say that I wish you luck and success!
Make this Guild proud!

Maedhros, an excellent topic for the first debate!
I sense a real fight coming!

Lhun

[HerenIstarion]

I'm honored by your reaction, but I would like you to consider my coming up with those first:


MI- inside. Q mi in, within; mir and minna to the inside

STAB- *stabnē, *stambē: Q sambe room, chamber; samna wooden post. ON stabne, sthamne; N thafn post, wooden pillar; tham, thamb hall. Q kaimasan, pl. kaimasambi bedchamber [KAY]. N thambas, thamas great hall. *stabnō, *stabrō carpenter, wright, builder: Q samno; ON sthabro(ndo), N thavron; Ilk. thavon

STAN- fix, decide. Cf. Q sanda firm, true, abiding; N thenid, thenin. Q sanye rule, law; sanya regular, law-abiding, normal

Misanda Stambe Inner discussions

KIL- divide (also SKIL). Q kilya cleft, pass between hills, gorge.

Sandakilya Stambe Inter Discussions

Tekil Tulka esseys (tekil - pen, tulka - strong)

ÑGAL-/ÑGALAM- talk loud or incoherently. Q ñalme clamour;

ñalme discussions


if you still agree with such compiling, than alright :)

[Maedhros]

Well, HI, thanks for the information.:)
I think that I will go with those names that you have found. Btw, everyone is encouraged to participate in the debate.

[Elfarmari]

I haven't been able to be on lately, but I will try very hard to post in he debate as soon as possible. My dad has been in the hospital since Wednesday night, he has a viral infection in the sac around his heart (pericarditis, I think it's called). He just got home today, and will most likely be fine; I've just been more than slightly busy.

[Maedhros]

Forums, are really a silly thing compared to the health of people. I hope that your dad gets better.

[Nenya Evenstar]

To all of my fellow guild members:

You are invited to join the Tolkienolgoist's Creative Endeavors Hall for a Christmas party! The party will last from today until New Year's Day, and will be a time for laughter, fun, dance, and excitment. Come eat your fill of our wonderful holiday recipies, sing your fill of carols, and laugh your fill of glee. I hope you will join us! Visit this thread: http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=7115&perpage=15&pagenumber=8
if you are interested. I truly hope to see you there! :D

Nenya

[Nóm]

So, any plans for the near future?
Are we going to Read BoLT1 anytime soon?
I have only read several pages of that book and I would hold off and read it for my first time along with our group discussion.

Also, should we perhaps open a thread were forum members can apply to get a mentor?

I don't know how Maedhros wants to do this but here is the idea I had back when I was making plans for this Guild:
A thread would be opend were members can apply for a mentor, and the mentor would be in contact with the member through PM or E-mail.
The opening post of this thread would contain an inviye to applying for a mentor, a breif decription of what a mentor has to offer, a list of those requesting mentors and a record of who is mentoring who.
Then those of us interested in mentoring would contact the person who maintains the list, make sure the person they are going to mentor has not already found a mentor, the mentor would then contact the person requesting the mentor, and when it is agreed upon the mentor's name would be placed on the list next to the name of the person requesting a mentor.

Many people who might like to make use of a mentor may not see the thread though, so we'll have to decide on a way to inform people about our service.

Now this is just my idea, I thought I would put it in since no one else had.
I wont have a broken heart if you guys want to do things diferently. :D

[Maedhros]

By all means go ahead Nóm. I think that it's a great idea, and remember that it's not my guild but our guild.
I have had a real interest in reading BOLT 1, I'm right now in the Tale of the Sun and the Moon (Uolë Kúvion).
If I find someone who is truly an avid fan of Bolt 1, I may give him a sample of my work that took me nearly 3 months to complete. So, if anyone is interested in having a discussion about Bolt 1, I'm more than ready for it.
Che pensi tu?

[Nenya Evenstar]

Nom, I like the idea for mentoring very much. Sounds like a great system.

I will be ready to begin a discussion of BOLT I after the holidays. As it is now I do not think I could give the discussion it's proper and due attention because of the time of year. But in the beginning of Jan. I'll be game. :)

[Nóm]

Okay, anyone interested in mentoring let me know, either post here or PM me.

Also, if anyone has ideas about how to let the membership know about this service post them or PM me. We might open up a thread in member announcements.

We'll also have to come up with a description of what a mentor is.
I am thinking that a mentor would be someone who answers any questions someone has about the books. The mentor could just answer the questions, link them to a thread where the topic is discussed, or tell them where at in which book they can find the answer. I guess the details of how this is done would depend upon the mentor's prefference and the needs of the student (for lack of better word). It would be up to the mentor to determine how to go about assisting each student. We might also want to ask people to tell why they want a mentor when they sign up, would that be okay?
Some members may not want it known that they have a mentor (and it will be if they post in the application thread) so we might want to offer an option were they can PM me (since it looks like I am heading this up) and I can set them up with a mentor without it being known.

We don't know what kind of demand there will be for this service, but I guess we can open up a thread as soon as we get... say... 3 (myself included) willing mentors.



Any thoughts anyone?

[Elfarmari]

I just received BoLTI for Christmas, but I probably will not have much time for discussions until after my exams (the second full week of January). My dad is muc better now, and now that it is after Christmas I hope to be able to participate more here.

[Khamul]

I preferred BOLT 2. :)

[Maedhros]

The only problem that I see with starting with Bolt 2 rather than Bolt 1 is the fact that a lot of things are explained in Bolt 1, for example what is the Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva, Meril-i-Turinqi, etc. So I would rather go in order of the Books.

[Nóm]

Maedhros, how did you want to do this? Chapter by chapter?

[Maedhros]

Yes, chapter by chapter.

[Maedhros]

Due to work constraints, I will be unable to participate as much in the Forum as I would like. Therefore, I'm asking each and every member of the Guild to be more active and post your ideas to make the Guild grow. I have asked Nóm to take a more active role, I wish that all of the member do so also, remember this is everyones guild.

[Nenya Evenstar]

We will, Maedhros. I think that it is about time we begin our discussion on BOLT I. I think we should do it somewhat similar to the Sil. discussions. For those of us who have other resources, we should all read the chapters in our other books that can shed light on what we are reading. So, we will have chapters to read, thoughts to post, and discussion to make. I am ready to begin organizing. Is everyone else?

Nom, how is the mentoring thing going?

[Nóm]

The mentoring thing isn't going since no one expressed interest in mentoring.
I was thinking we may start BoLT1 discussion in a week or so, any objections? Hopefully Elfarmari will be around then.
I was also thinking that we probably don't need an actual scedual for the chapters: that we could start one, and then start the next whenever it seems the first one is spent enough to move on.
I don't think we need to assign chapters either, since everyone can say whatever they want to say whenever they want to.

We are a small guild and I think the group of non-guild forum members who will get involved is small enough that we can manage this discussion with little effort or threat of chaos ;).
In other words.. all we may have to do is run it by the guild before starting another chapter, and if no one objects... go forth.

If you guys disagree, then we can do it otherwise... but I tend to think that over organization puts out the fire, spontaneous enthusiam is made to be supressed, and that obligations can make it seem more like work than play... :D

[Maedhros]

I just wanted to say that I would like to begin with a petite discussion of the Prologue before going into the Tales.

[Nóm]

Great. I was thinking the same thing myself when I started reading the book last night. I wondered if we might just include that at the front of the discussion of the first chapter. Or we could open it's own thread.
What do you think of idea of having no set dates for the chapters and for starting the discussion in a week?
If that seems good then I guess someone can go ahead and volunteer to open the Prolog or prolog/first chapter thread.

[Nenya Evenstar]

Nom, I think your idea is wonderful. Sounds much better than the assigned chapters. Starting in a week sounds good as well. :)

I think we should let the introduction have a thread of its own. It is quite complicated and deserves the attention, I believe.

[Nóm]

Excellent! :D
If someone hasn't started a thread for that by... say... the middle of next week, then I'll do it.

[gate7ole]

We are a small guild and I think the group of non-guild forum members who will get involved is small enough that we ...
Does this mean that I can participate in the BOLT discussion? I really want to.

[Maedhros]

Sounds much better than the assigned chapters. Starting in a week sounds good as well.
What do you mean sound much better? Someone has to be responsible for the intro of the Prologue and Tales.
Does this mean that I can participate in the BOLT discussion? I really want to.
Anyone can participate in the discussion.

[Nenya Evenstar]

I mean that I simply think assigned chapters sometimes seem like work -- just as Nom said. If people volunteer right as we start the chapter instead of being assigned in advance it might seem more like "play." Still, people volunteer in the Sil. discussions too... :o it's all very confusing. :p I think what Nom means is that we will all decide when a chapter needs to start, and then just leave the floor open for anyone who wants to start it.

[Nóm]

Okay Maedhros... you want the chapters to be assigned... yes? I am unclear about your opinion, though your question to nenya makes me think that you do.

I'll open the prolog thread in the middle of next week. That is, unless someone else is dying to do it.

Do you object to us not having set dates?


PS there is a very interesting chapter in the Sil discussion right now. gate7ole... I'm glad you'll be joining us, and I figure that you'll tell your guild about it?

[Khamul]

I would prefer the chapters to be assigned. Gets people into things that may not be their specialty. :)

[Nóm]

When would be the time to move the BoLT discussion to the HoMe forum?

[Nóm]

There are a couple chapters that Elfarmari would like to do the intro for.

So, if anyone else wants a particular chapter, reserve it whenever you like. Either post it in the commentary thread or PM me and I'll add it, since I'll keep the reservations listed within the first post. If a chapter doesn't get reserved it's no big deal, I'll do it, or anyone else can who feels like it when the time comes.

Elfarmari has The Cottage of Lost Play and the Flight of the Noldoli.


I know I've been taking charge of this and if anyone feels that I am out of place or hogging the thing... just let me know. I don't want to dictate, but since no one else has come forth to do so, I just kind of ended up heading it up.

Maybe there is just a lack of interest?

Maedhros wanted to start the discussion within the guild (which is why I didn't put it in HoMe forum)... then move it to the HoMe forum.
I have no reason to believe that it is better off here in the Guild, does anyone else?

If not, when to move it?

[Nenya Evenstar]

I actually think we should keep the BOLT discussion within this guild. As a very new guild with very few members I feel we need something that separates us from the other debating guilds and makes us unique. The BOLT discussion does just that. It gives our guild some color and a uniqueness. Right now we need to be considering attracting new members. How better than to host a BOLT discussion within our guild? Perhaps we should all add a link to the discussion in our sigs so as to advertise it more? Once people see what our guild is doing we may get more members. But we will only get more members and retain a certain feel of uniqueness by what we do in this guild. If we take away the ideas that this and only this guild has we will get nowhere.

[Ithrynluin]

Originally posted by Nenya Evenstar
Perhaps we should all add a link to the discussion in our sigs so as to advertise it more? Once people see what our guild is doing we may get more members. But we will only get more members and retain a certain feel of uniqueness by what we do in this guild.

I'm not sure that would do much good. A very large part of the TTF population hasn't read the BOLT I believe. And many of those that did read it, are already members of a certain guild (OiE, Tolkienologists).

But I agree with Nenya that the discussion should remain within our guild (though I am a mere observer in this matter).

[Nóm]

Okay, thanks for answering. I have had a link to it in my signature since I posted the first thread. I don't know if anyone has clicked on it though :D

[Ithrynluin]

I have when I came back from my holidays, and haven't checked on our guild yet.:D

[Nóm]

I don't know if anyone other than ithrynluin has noticed an increasing decline in my posting in the book forums throughout the last couple months, especialy in The Silmarillion. I don't know why this is, or when I will be posting more but I just wanted to let you guys know that I haven't been as active as I had expected to be - I just don't have it in me anymore and am not sure if I ever will again. The fire is burning out - temperary or not? I have no idea. I'll continue contributing when I have something to say but I just wanted to say that I am sorry and am not intentionally neglecting our guild or the Sil. discussions. I through and through just have nothing to say for some reason.
It's not the books, it's just other things in life i expect. I hope to be lively as ever before too long though.

[Ithrynluin]

I have gone through similar such "phases" here on TTF. For some reason, I simply abandon a certain section even if it contains something that would otherwise interest me. Each time, after this strange phase was over, I have returned to the forsaken section and have resumed posting there normally.
Nóm, you are a frequent poster, and your posts are always worth the read and insightful...but still you can't be expected to keep posting a lot all the time. Everyone must take a break sometimes.

[Nenya Evenstar]

I have noticed the same thing. I haven't posted in the books sections for who knows how long. I finally just posted last night. I'm not burnt out, just feeling a lack of a wish to participate in discussions, I guess.

[Nóm]

Anyhow, new project suggestion!

Is there a timeline of Tolkien's writings?

If not, I think we must make one. Now, I know this wouldn't be simple and clear cut, as the dates of all the writings are not known for sure, so it would be a kind of funny timeline (for lack of better word).

Perhaps we could have a primary line... either in the form of an actual line, or a list, and have a secondary line mingled in with it. These two lines could be differentiated somehow. Maybe a couple diagrams and some charts or something. I have a year experience in mechanical drawing and schematics so I can figure something out, if you guys want to do this.

As scholars I think we should look for the most efficient approach to getting a knowledge of the overall works.
I think that such a timeline would be of great help in studying these works. When you bring HoMe into the mix, chronology is very important.


Anybody want to do this?

[Maedhros]

Of his writtings or manuscripts?

[Maedhros]

I need volunteers for the upcoming debate against the Guild of Tolk.

[Nóm]

Well, you know I am a volunteer, but I'll post here to make it official.

[Nenya Evenstar]

I would love to volunteer if you can use me. :)

[Ithrynluin]

You also know I am one. But if someone is really that eager to participate in this debate, he/she can take my place.

[Maedhros]

Well, if there are no more volunteers, I will take part in the debate also.:)

[Elfarmari]

If you are still in need of debaters, I'll volunteer, if not, I'll wait until the next debate.

[Inderjit S]

I wouldn't mind joining in.

[Maedhros]

This is the team that I envision. I wanted to be in the team but I want to give the members more chances to participate in this activity.
From Scholars we have:
Inderjit S
Elfarmari
Nóm
ithrynluin/Nenya Evenstar
If anyone wants to leave a spot for another member then please post it here.
After both teams are announced, Turgon will post the topic.

[Inderjit S]

Have we got any rough idea of what topic Turgon may choose?

[Maedhros]

Nooperz. The topic is only announced after the teams are selected. He promised me to find an open topic. Because we made the challenge, they will have the choice of sides.

[Maedhros]

I will announce new members for the team.

[Ithrynluin]

Jallan, thank you for accepting my invitation. Welcome to our guild!:)

[Maedhros]

Welcome jallan!:)
The debate team is:
Maedhros
Inderjit S.
Nóm
Elfarmari

[Goldberry]

When is the next debate?

[Nóm]

Well we don't have anything planned. The Guild of Ost-In-Edhil is debating against the Periaur at the moment, and we just went against the Tolkienologists so I imagine it will be a little while before we go against another guild. We can have a debate within the guild whenever we feel like it. You can challenge one of our members to a 1 on 1, or set one up with teams or 2, or 3.

[Nóm]

Okay, I happend upon a good resource for those who are just getting into or who are considering getting into HoMe.

http://forodrim.letsrock.nu/daeron/md_hm.html

O how I wish I had found that a couple months ago ;).

[Maedhros]

I need 4 volunteers for an inner guild debate. Preferably 4 who haven't participated in one.

[Elendil3119]

What will the debate topic be?

[Idril]

How do the debates work?

[Nenya Evenstar]

This one, since it has four people, will have two people to a team. Someone will pick the topic (someone outside the teams) and each team will be assigned a side of the topic. Then each team can compare notes and figure out the strong points of their side etc., and the debate begins. During a debate it is recommended that the members of a team speak together often about their side. I guess you could call this "plotting". ;)

[Idril]

sorry for being so dense, but where does it take place - I mean logistics:(

[Ithrynluin]

Since Maedhros is looking for 4 candidates, two teams (of 2 members in each) will be made up. A topic is chosen, and one team has to argue pro and the other contra.

I think the newer members of the Guild (Elendil3119, Idril, Mirabella, Goldberry) should get the opportunity to debate, if they are willing of course.:)

An INNER guild takes place within our guild. Plotting can take place on Messenger services such as MSN, Yahoo, AoL, or via e-mail or the private messaging system.

[Idril]

"Yikes!" she screams, covering her eyes and running from the room:eek:

[Maedhros]

So, where are those volunteers?:confused:

[Nóm]

I opened up a thread for discussion of essay topics that deal with the (HoMe) History of Middle-earth books.

What I'd like to know is if any of our members would like such a thread for topics that deal with The Silmarillion, The Lord of The Rings, and The Hobbit, but no HoMe or Unfinished Tales?

Of course any member is welcomed to write any essay they'd like, and start a thread for it in here, without giving notice first... but if anyone would like a place to get ideas for topics that don't deal with HoMe, we can start a thread.

[Inderjit S]

I'll volunteer unless the 'newbies' (I'm relatively new, but there are quite a few new members now) want to join in. I wouldn't mind posting the question, if not selected. But, heck, if anyone else wants to post it, then do so.

[Maedhros]

Inder, I will post the question.

[Mirabella]

Originally posted by Maedhros
So, where are those volunteers?:confused:

I'm not too late to volunteer I hope? Sorry guys...I just haven't taken the time to check this forum over the last few days. I should remind everyone, though, that my field of experience is limited to The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, so I'm not sure of what practical use I could be on a debate team :)

[Maedhros]

I have only one volunteer, where are the other ones?

[Inderjit S]

So that is two. I'll team up with you Mirabella if you want.

[Mirabella]

That would be fine with me Inderjit :)

Looking back through this thread, I don't see a date for this inner guild debate. I think I should let everyone know that I will be away from home and pc March 28-April 1.

[Mirabella]

Originally posted by Nóm
I opened up a thread for discussion of essay topics that deal with the (HoMe) History of Middle-earth books.

What I'd like to know is if any of our members would like such a thread for topics that deal with The Silmarillion, The Lord of The Rings, and The Hobbit, but no HoMe or Unfinished Tales?

Of course any member is welcomed to write any essay they'd like, and start a thread for it in here, without giving notice first... but if anyone would like a place to get ideas for topics that don't deal with HoMe, we can start a thread.

I think this is a good idea, Nom :)

[Maedhros]

It will be a debate that will last only 4 days. I think that in a shorter debate, the posts will be more fluid. I will post the topic, but i still need 2 volunteers.

[baragund]

I would like to volunteer for the upcoming intra-guild debate if you are still looking for participants. I will do my best to give it the time it deserves, and try to appear like I know what I'm talking about.

Jim Z.

[Inderjit S]

Sure! 3 down and 1 to go.

[Maedhros]

Sheeeeeeeeesh, this long for a simple volunteer.

[baragund]

Maedhros,

When you pick the topic for the debate, I would appreciate it you did not pick something from The History of Middle Earth series. I don't have any of those and I would hate to have to frantically scour bookstores and the like to find them.

Jim Z.

[Maedhros]

I am going to do something that I would under ordinary circumstances wouldn't do. I'm going to post the Topic of the Debate for all to see.
Was the Ring the Ruin of Sauron?
Obviously, having read LOTR and the Hobbit one is adequately knowledgeable to post in this debate. However, you may find that The Silmarillion and HOME could help you too.
How does the debate works?
Simple, the topic chooser (me), chooses from the volunteers the sides and the groups. The debate will take a 4 day period, just to make it more fluid. I will be one of the judges, and will choose another 2.

[Mirabella]

Sounds like a good topic, Maedhros. Any idea yet when the debate will be? I'm going to be out of town weekend after next and unable to prepare for a debate during this time. I'm not trying to wiggle out of it :)

[Maedhros]

Ok. I think that we need another volunteer then.
So far we have: Inder, gondorian45 and jimzeller.
Preferably, someone who is new to the guild as to be more involved with it.

[Nóm]

Isn't Mirabella going to take part?

[Elendil3119]

Well, I would love to participate, but I am flooded with school right now, and don't have the time. :( However, I hope that I will be able to participate in a future debate.

[Feanorian]

Good topic, is their an official debate start date set yet, in about a week and a half my sister is getting married so that weekend would'nt be the best time for me to start a debate however if thats the selected time I will still be able to participate just not to the level that i could if we started after or before that

[Ithrynluin]

I have added a "CONTENTS" into my first post in the Cottage of lost lore (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=249005#post249005) thread, so that when this thread becomes larger and larger it will be easier to find questions and have an overview of the questions asked there.

Just thought I'd tell everyone who participates there (and those that don't *hint hint*).

;)

EDIT: Also, I'm having a one-on-one debate with gate7ole over at the Guild of Tolkienology. If anyone wants to check it out.

Debate: Gandalf's choice (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=10540)

[Maedhros]

Oops. Mirabella is in the debate too. The debate will start Saturday 22 at 10 am est and will end at Wednesday 26 at 10 am est. I will post the thread and teams shortly.

[Feanorian]

Those dates are work good for me, what day will you let us know which side we will be on?

[Maedhros]

In the debate thread, they are already posted.

[Nóm]

I started a thread for "The Music of the Ainur"... and messed up the thead title. I have PM'd a moderator to fix it, so none of you need bother with doing so.

Guess I was just thinkining elvish...
Is anyone buying that? :D

The fact I say "elvish" shows that I am not sure if it is Quenya or Sindarin... should be a tip off. :D

[BlackCaptain]

Honestly, I'm confused with how everything in here works. How do I become part of a debate? Am I invited to one? Do I ask to be in one? I don't have any debates that I would want to be in, but I was just wondering...

[Maedhros]

Simple really, when a new debates comes out, I or the person hosting the debate will post their intentions in the Halls of Alalmiórë thread.
I ask for volunteers to take part in it. When the participants are set, we tell them what the topic will be and the time when the debate will be held.

[Nóm]

Anyone up for another debate?

Volunteers?

PM me or post here.

[Ithrynluin]

I'm up for it. Especially if it's an interesting topic.;)

[Nóm]

Originally posted by ithrynluin
I'm up for it. Especially if it's an interesting topic.;)

Since you know what the topic might be and you are volunteering, it's only fair that everyone know.

The topic might be: Rivendell vs. Lothlorien, which is better defended?

This comes from a post made by Gothmog in another thread. If no one else discusses the topic in that thread it might be our topic. However, it probably will not.

Sorry ithrynluin. :p

[baragund]

I'll try again. Like before, I'm not ready to debate anything in the HOME series but it won't be long before I will be able to join you, Nom, in the discussion of The Book of Lost Tales.:)

[BlackCaptain]

Sounds like a great topic. Im already debating with myself. Count me in if possible

[Nóm]

That will not be the topic since the thread did turn into a discussion of the topic.

You still >>>in<< though, BlackCaptain?

(Sorry, I left a word out)

[BlackCaptain]

Im still though? What does that mean? Im still in? Yeah sure. Whats the topic then?

[Elendil3119]

There appears to be a slot open yet, so count me in if you can. Yay! My first debate!;) :D

[Nóm]

jimzeller and BlackCaptian will be one team, ithrynluin and Elendil3119 will be the other.

I'll post the topic and open the debate tomorrow.

[BlackCaptain]

oo! man! Im against Ithrynluin! I better brush up on my facts! (thatsa a compliment;) )

[Inderjit S]

Ithrynluin getting paid a compliment!? Whats the world coming to?

[Nenya Evenstar]

*Hits Indergit on the head and wonders what the world is coming to when Nenya actually posts a post that has relitively no importance* :D ;)

[Ithrynluin]

*Throws Indy and Nenya in the Scholars' dungeon and slams the doors shut*

That's right people, the Guild of Scholars has its own little prison for people who misbehave!:D

Enjoy your stay you two!:p

[BlackCaptain]

Hahaha...

And don't you come out you two until your homework is done! No supper tonight! *Hmph*:rolleyes:

[BlackCaptain]

I would just like to share with you all, that I have reached the 1000 post count mark in this forum. I just thought I'd let you all know this, and share it with you. I posted it here because I really like this guild, and thought that you guys were... well... special! haha... I know this really doesnt have much to do with anything of Tolkiens' works, or anything literature for that matter. I just wanted to share it!

Now for the 2,000 mark...

[Ithrynluin]

BlackCaptain, all such posts should be posted in this thread, because otherwise they interfere with the flow of "serious" threads in the guild. I had it moved here.:)
Even though post count is not really that important, congratulations on the 1000th post!;)

Now, how about we start that debate of ours eh?

[BlackCaptain]

Of course...!

[Inderjit S]

No supper tonight! *

Who wants supper when you can be stuck in a room with Nenya...everyone maybe :p ;)

Will Kristin Kreuk be joining us, BTW. Because THAT would be cool....;)

[Nenya Evenstar]

:rolleyes: *Knocks Indy on the head* Remember? We got let out of the dungeon!

[Inderjit S]

*Knocks Indy on the head* Remember? We got let out of the dungeon!

Severe stupidity effects my posts/memory. Besides I was having a fun enough time in the dungeon, now If I can ithrynluin get to chuck me back in....this post SHOULD allow for that to happen. :p

[Nóm]

Just wanted to let you all know that I will no longer be a member of this guild. So, setting up the judgement of the Sauron's Wisdom debate will be my action here.

It was good discussing and debating with you guys. See you around the forum!

[Maedhros]

I'm sad to see you go, I wish you good luck.

[Feanorian]

Although I havent been here very long wat i have observed of you so far this guild is losing a very very valuable member, farewell.

[Nenya Evenstar]

I'm shocked! :eek: Be expecting many questions! ;)

[Elendil3119]

Yes, many questions!:eek: Where are you going and why?:(

[Maedhros]

Hello people. I just wanted to tell you that I'm really grateful that you are part of the guild.
I have been terribly busy with work, that is the reason I have not been as involved as I would have liked to be. Also, the recent developments in TTF have saddened me a lot.
I just wanted to make sure that you know that this is not my Guild but our Guild. What makes this place good is the members that we have here. Now, having said that, if you have any ideas of what to do in the guild, then by all means post them, if you want to start any discussion then go right ahead and do it.
I just want to thank ithrynluin for doing a great job with the guild.:)

[Nenya Evenstar]

And we are honored to have you as our leader. Yes, it is our guild, but you are still a very prevailent figure in it. :)

I will do my best to uphold new threads and to try and come up with new ideas.

[baragund]

Maedhros,

You mentioned in your last post that recent events in the forum has saddened you a lot. Without betraying someone's confidence, can you elaborate on what has been troubling you? Is there anything the rest of us in our guild can do to help?

From what I have seen so far, there seems to be the occasion where someone might get a bit carried away during a lively discussion or RPG and post something that would hurt somebody else's feelings. However, this seems to happen only once in a while and the vast majority of the banter I've seen has been fun, intelligent, instructive and/or in good humor. Still, my perception may be off because I have been hanging around this forum for only a month.

As far as ideas for our guild go, I have one or two germs of an idea I'm mulling over. I'll post them once I think them through a little more.

Jim Z.

[Maedhros]

As far as ideas for our guild go, I have one or two germs of an idea I'm mulling over. I'll post them once I think them through a little more.
Cool. I'm looking foward to seeing your ideas Mr Jim.
However, this seems to happen only once in a while and the vast majority of the banter I've seen has been fun, intelligent, instructive and/or in good humor.
And you are right of course.
You mentioned in your last post that recent events in the forum has saddened you a lot. Without betraying someone's confidence, can you elaborate on what has been troubling you? Is there anything the rest of us in our guild can do to help?
Thanks. All I can say in public is that it's not as fun as it once was. I can send you a pm if you want.

[Ithrynluin]

Originally posted by Maedhros
Hello people. I just wanted to tell you that I'm really grateful that you are part of the guild.
I have been terribly busy with work, that is the reason I have not been as involved as I would have liked to be. Also, the recent developments in TTF have saddened me a lot.
I just wanted to make sure that you know that this is not my Guild but our Guild. What makes this place good is the members that we have here. Now, having said that, if you have any ideas of what to do in the guild, then by all means post them, if you want to start any discussion then go right ahead and do it.
I just want to thank ithrynluin for doing a great job with the guild.:)

You are very welcome, Maedhros.:)

I would like to thank everyone for their ongoing participation and support of our guild.

Please share any questions for debates, discussions...etc..that you might think of.

I would also like to encourage everyone to take part in The Cottage of Lost Lore (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9873) and to post any Tolkien related questions there that are, in your opinion, not "worth" opening a whole new thread for.

Feel free to invite other forum members to join our guild or to participate in threads, because you don't have to be a member to take part in any thread (except the debates), and I'm sure many people would be interested in our discussions here - they just don't visit the guilds that often.

Cheers

[Maedhros]

Happy birthday to our deputy ithrynluin.:)

[Ithrynluin]

Thanks, Maed. I've had a great one!:)

[Beleg]

I just wanted to ask that when will be the third chapter of BOLT1 "The coming of the Valar and the building of Valinor be discussed?"

[Maedhros]

Hmmmmmm, a very good question. I think that we should go back to the format in which each chapter/tale is discussed in a two week period. Hopefully we can get the discussions going on.:)

[baragund]

I would love to take part in that discussion. The timing is perfect for me because I am just about to start that chapter.

[Idril]

Good news, has everyone seen, the WM has agreed to the idea that the Guild's should moderate themselves - see here (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=302122#post302122)

[Maedhros]

I'm glad that the Guilds can moderate themselves. And I would like to appoint our deputy ithrynluin as the person in charge of it. :)
So I would like all to thank our new moderator of the Guild.

[Feanorian]

Posted By Webmaster:
Guild Moderators sounds like a good idea to me. In fact, we've already done just that at the new RP site.

What I would need, is for the individual guilds to get together and figure out who will be the Moderator of their particular guild. Once that's done, have that moderator PM me, and I'll do what needs to be done..

Well it sounds like we are supposed to elect a guild/moderator, soooo I guess I will start it off because I am not sure if anyone has been keeping up with the discussions, it is over in News and Anouncements, I nominate Maedhros because he is our guild leader, however if he is not able to then I (and I am not trying to advertise this here or anything, I simply am saying I have the time to do this) would be glad to. ithrynluin has become a mod (if some of you were not aware) so I do not think we can vote him in to be a moderator when he already is on.

Ok what do you guys think?

[Elendil3119]

I'm not sure we even *need* a specified guild moderator, since ithrynluin is now a mod. :) However, if someone else should be elected, I also think it should be Maedhros.

[Idril]

Maedhros posted in Happenings in the Halls of Alalminórë yesterday:

I'm glad that the Guilds can moderate themselves. And I would like to appoint our deputy ithrynluin as the person in charge of it.
So I would like all to thank our new moderator of the Guild.

[Feanorian]

Ahh I did not see that..is he a guild moderator and a regular moderator???

[Idril]

Both as far as I know.

[BlackCaptain]

Yeah... Ithrynluin shows a nice command over Tolkien's works like I have never seen. The ability to pull out quotes when the time calls for it is just crazy. If this thing goes through with itself, I also nominate Ithrynluin

[Maedhros]

After having a little chat with ithrynluin, I think that it might be a good thing to have a separate Guild Moderator. I didn't know that he was a mod already.
I will take the role as the Guild Mod, however, I would not have any problems giving up that position to a member who devotes himself/herself to the guild.:)

[BlackCaptain]

Hmm... Ive always wanted some kind of position here at TTF, but I'm not sure if I'm qualified enough to be a Mod... If I am though I'd love to be the mod

[BlackCaptain]

Devotes himself to the guild? How would one do that? Just check in here every hour or two and make sure nothings getting out of hand? Make sure to control any outrages?

[Feanorian]

As I stated above, I would be more then willing to do it. However if you(Maedhros) or Blackcaptin want to do it then I have no problems with that:rolleyes:

[BlackCaptain]

What a cool selfless dude... And while I don't think I am qualified enough for some strange reason, I still wouldn't mind doing it. But I'd also love to see it in the hands of someone who could really grab this place and make it better. And for some reason I don't think its me! Must be some self-esteem problem hehe:D

[Maedhros]

Sorry for not being specific enough. The idea of taking care of the Guild is not this:
Just check in here every hour or two and make sure nothings getting out of hand? Make sure to control any outrages?
I think that our members are above such things, and that we would always treat our members with the respect they deserve, because before being members of a forum we are decent people first.
What I meant is the creating of new ideas of discussion, new topics for debates, research, etc. I have tried my hand a little with those things, and I will take the Mod of the Guild.
Having said that, if there is a member or members who prove by posting ideas and topics in the Guild, I will gladly recomend that they would be Guild Mod.:)

[Nenya Evenstar]

Maedhros, everyone, I would like to apologize for my recent inactivity in the guild. I have been swamped and altogether stressed recently because of moderating at the new site and keeping up with the C9. I'm also attempting to get a life.

I will hopefully be able to figure out a way to regulate my time better in the future. :(

[Ithrynluin]

Threads that have been moved out of the guild for a while, to get more response:

baragund's 'Relationship between Elves and Orcs'

my 'Galadriel's love for her brother' thread.

[Ithrynluin]

I am leaving the Guild of Scholars. I have neither the time nor the desire I once had.

Farewell

EDIT: One more thing, I'll still be around, until Maedhros is granted moderator privileges.

[Maedhros]

Well, I'm sorry that you are leaving the Guild and would like to thank you for your time and effort on behalf of this guild.

[Inderjit S]

I would just like to post that after discussing it with Maedhros, he has said he would like me to become the new 'Deputy Guildmaster' after the sad departure of ithryluin. I look forward to my new role. Thank you. I look forward to stepping into ith.'s large (He tells me their Size 10) shoes and I hope to be a good replacement for our handsome former deputy guildmaster. Thank you.

I'm also attempting to get a life.

One day Nenya, one day-you WILL live the dream. Or something.

[Maedhros]

I would like to congratulate Inder as the New deputy Guildmaster. May the hair on your toes never fall off!;)

[baragund]

Ithrynluin, I really hate to see you go. I've really valued your opinions and insights on JRRT's works, but I can appreciate where you are coming from with the time constraints. You'll still be around the forum, right?

Inder, congrats on your new position. You've been an ardent supporter of this forum and our guild and you'll do a great job!

[Elendil3119]

I too am sad to see you go, ithy. :( You've sure done a lot for this guild.

Congrats to Inder on his new position! I'm sure you'll do a splendid job. :)

[Ithrynluin]

I might return some day. Don't cross me off completely. ;)

[Inderjit S]

Thank you for your welcomes baragund, Elendil and Maedhros.

I might return some day. Don't cross me off completely.

Hopefully you'll return soon. And don't think you can fool us with your sneaky thiefing of Nom's avatar. Don't think I didn't notice you didn't just put some colour into it, pah nothing can escape the eagle like eyes of me. ;)

[Nenya Evenstar]

One day Nenya, one day-you WILL live the dream. Or something. Thanks Indy. :p And congrats!

And now, yes, I hope to begin participating in the guild once more. Hopefully it will work out. :)

[BlackCaptain]

Hey, when does the 'Was Boromir Evil?' debate end? Ten days after the opening statement?

[Ithrynluin]

It was intended as an unofficial debate - meaning no deadline, no judges,...no....anything! :D

Unless you would want it to be otherwise.

[BlackCaptain]

No thats ok... It's perfectly fine!

[Elendil3119]

We need more participation! At least half of the posts in this guild in the past few weeks have been made by people who aren't even members. (not that that's a bad thing) There has been very little member participation lately. Where are you people??

[Ithrynluin]

I understand your concern. I suggest you (as a guild) try and find some 'new blood' for the guild and get things going again. Coming up with new ideas for threads and such would also be a good start. Easier said than done, I know...

Here's the list of members who have been more or less active in the past few weeks/months:

Maedhros
Elfarmari
Nenya Evenstar
Inderjit S
Idril
Elendil3119
BlackCaptain
baragund
Feanorian

[Maedhros]

Not necessarily it means that if people are not posting that the Guild is idle. I can only speak for myself but even though my time has been restricted by work and othe comitments, I have been doing some research about Tolkien and the Legendarium that hopefully I will post in a few days.

[Elendil3119]

Due to serious computer problems, I have not been for the past week, and will not be able to visit the site often until I get them resolved. It might be a few weeks. :( I'm really sorry that I didn't participate in the Round 5 debate! :(

[Lhunithiliel]

Hi, friends!
I would like to kindly invite you to two discussions in our "halls", that might be of interest to you! :)

Here is the thread (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13430)

the other thread (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=365496#post365496)

I'll be most happy to meet you there! Your knowledge is most appreciated!

And it was high time we start doing things together! :)

BTW, I also invite you to have a look here (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=13376) too :)

Awaiting for you,

Lhun :)

[Maedhros]

But of course my dear friend Lhun. You know how fond I am of ............ ;)

[Maedhros]

Unfortunately my job has prevented me from being as active as a Guild leader should be.
I'm tired of TTF. It is something that has begun a long time ago, and I need a very long holiday.
After some thought, I think that baragund should be the one who takes over me, he's been very involved in the debates organization and participation.

I still have some obligations that I need to attend, as my lecture for the Guild of Tolk and my intro into the chapter of the Fall of Gondolin. Hopefully I will drop in from time to time. I have talked to Beorn for the transference of the Mod status in the Guild too.

Adieu.

[baragund]

Thanks, Maedhros!! I'll do my very best to keep up the standards of quality that our guild is known for.

I really appreciate your vote of confidence.

[Beleg]

I am sorry to see you go Meadhros, really sorry. I just hope you will come back from time to time. :)

Congragulations baragund. :)

[Ithrynluin]

Hope to see you around sometimes, my friend.

The best of luck in all your endeavours.

[Feanorian]

Sorry to see you go Maedhros. Your understanding of Tolkien's later works astound me, I honestly can say that you are the most talented Tolkien Scholar my paths have crossed. Good Luck.

-Gruden (remember that? :D )

[Beleg]

Hmmm...well the debating tournament is scheduled to end soon.


What do you folks say of an interguild debate, 1x1, 2x2 or even 3x3 sometime in the future?


Or have folks gotten sick of debating for a while? :p


Hey Feanorian come back. :D

[Elfarmari]

As everyone else has said, I'm sorry to see you go, Maedhros, but I completely understand that the real world is much more important than this forum!

[Feanorian]

Hey Feanorian come back.

Well.....maybe sometime. I want to tell the guild (whats left of it that is) this first. I am not going to participate on TTF very often.

All of the joy which I once found in Tolkien has been removed by some way or another. I just dont find coming to TTF fun anymore neither do I find interesting conversation.

Its been fun.

Baragund-Congragulations on the guild. Glad to see how much your Tolkien knowledge has increased since coming here. (mine too :D )

To the rest of the guild thank you for the good discussions and everything else. Have fun, hopefully I will come back one day to see this guild booming with activity and discussion.

Adios

-Feanorian

[BlackCaptain]

^^^^I'm with the kin-slayer^^^^

Hahahahaha...

I'm here-by withdrawing myself from GoS for now... I'll be back someday though. Don't worry Baragund, you'll make a great name for yourself here at TTF

[Inderjit S]

Just like to announce my departure from GoS (But not TTF) too.

[Elfarmari]

just wondering if those leaving the Guild of Scholars could give a reason? suggestions? something which could be improved? If there is something you don't like, maybe it could be changed?

[Beleg]

:(

[baragund]

Acckkk!! I leave town for a week and the place collapses in flames!:(

Yes, we need to talk about this. Elfarmari generously offered to PM each of the members to try to find out what the concern is.

This guild is ours to do what we want. I'd like to make a go at trying to make this place more appealing. Can we give it a try before you guys finalize your decision to leave?

[Gil-Galad]

We would like to make a short,but important announcement.

A new activity called The Best of The Best Debating Tournament is about to start in a week.When everything is completed it will be made visible for you.

The Best of The Best will be a tournament in which the best six debators will be invited to debate bewteen themselves-1vs1.The members of every Guild should choose their best Debator who will represent them.
We realize that due to some real-life problems the member that is chosen may not be able to participate sometimes.That is why you are allowed to choose a replacement.The replacement will be allowed to take part only in 30 persents of the tournament.
Of course ,if you believe that the One you choose can be online during all ten rounds of the debates,you do not have to choose a replacement.

That is why we,the organizers of the tournament,kindly ask you to choose your best debator(and his replacement if you want)and send a pm to me (Gil-Galad)with the two names.

The Organizers of The Best of The Best

[Beleg]

I would nominate Meadhros. But if he isn't avalable then either baragund or Elfamari are fine. Both are great debators.

[Gil-Galad]

Indeed.Baragund is a great debator with always flawless posts.I hope that he will be able to represent GoS in the Tournament,because he is one of the best debators.His place is there,among the other 5 best debators.
Elfmari is a fine choice for a replacement.
Just let me know whether they will represent GoS or not. :)

[baragund]

[Baragund is blushing from all of the kind thoughts!!]

Thanks, Beleg and GG, for the praises :)!! Unfortunately, I just can't give the time commitment that the new tournament deserves. Real life issues at home and at work is cutting my online time to about a quarter of what it was before Christmas. The most I could do is serve as the replacement.

I'd like to nominate either Beleg or Elfarmari to be the lead for GoS. Beleg may have the most thorough knowlege at the moment but Elfarmari's expertise is growing by leaps and bounds! Also, she has shown a lot of enthusiasm in the late rounds of the last tournament and I think she has that "fire in the belly" to give the likes of Snaga, Gothmog, Lhun, Nom and Scatha (my humble guesses for the other leaders).

[Gil-Galad]

Well Baragund.Every debate will last for ten days and after every there will be a short break because we realize that the best debators are really busy persons in their real lives.That is why the debattes are so long.If you are busy in 5 days of the debate for example you can use the other 5!!Or if you have some real-life things to do after every round you there will be breaks when there will be no debates.
What is more you will have a replacement who can debate in 30%of the rounds,which means 3 rounds.Think again Baragund :)

[Elfarmari]

Thanks, guys. I would to nominate Baragund or Beleg also. Right now my computer situation is somewhat irregular (my internet server at home isn't working very well and freezes when I open this site, among others), but I could be a replacement, or if Baragund doesn't think he would have enough time I would be willing to be the lead debater, I guess. My only problem is that I don't have immediate access to the later HoME volumes, so I can't find relevant quotes and arguements.

[Beleg]

Elfarmari, HOME is not a problem. You have e-copies, don't you?

[baragund]

Seriously guys, I just can't do it, not as the leader. :( The last tournament put a strain on things both at home and at work and I've already had to cancel some really enjoyable projects I was doing over in MERPG to address the Real Life issues.

Sorry to all. I'm afraid the decision is final.

[Gil-Galad]

I hope that there will be a representative from GoS,Beleg is a wonderful debator as well as Elfmari,and Baragund can be a back up.

[Beleg]

well baragund, what do you propose?
I am real sorry to hear that yo can't do it. :(

[baragund]

Well, as I see it, it's up to you or Elfarmari to lead. I recommend one of you lead and the other be the backup. The most I can do is be the backup but even that's a stretch.

[Elfarmari]

unfortunately, no, I do not have e-texts for the HoME books. Do we know when we have to pick representatives by? My computer is hopefully going to be fixed in the next week or so, but I won't know for sure until then. As it is now, I could be the backup. If my computer decides to begin working properly again, I could be the lead, if Beleg does not want to.

[Beleg]

Very well Elfamari, I'll act as the lead if no one else does. [After you come back you can take your deserved position. :)] Don't worry about the e-texts they are not a problem. I hope your computer get back to working condition soon.

But I personally don't think that the tournament will start in recent future.

[Elfarmari]

Very well Elfamari, I'll act as the lead if no one else does. [After you come back you can take your deserved position. :)] Don't worry about the e-texts they are not a problem. I hope your computer get back to working condition soon.

But I personally don't think that the tournament will start in recent future.
sounds great, we've determined that the problem is my computer, not my internet connection, so we are working on getting my computer fixed. . . we will see when the contest starts.

[Gil-Galad]

The Best of The Best will start in a few days(before Thursday).
Who will be the representative and the replacement of GoS?

[Elfarmari]

As my computer still refuses to work properly, I am assuming that Beleg will be the lead. I will act as replacement, when needed, and will do my best to keep up with what is going on.

[Gil-Galad]

The debates start on March 1st,so I hope that you will be ready for the first Round.

[Gil-Galad]

I would like to announce that The Best of The Best tournament begins on Monday -1st March.

The section is opened and the debates will start ASAP.

I would like to ask your Guild's representative and his/her replacement to check the schedule of and to prepare themselves for real debates.

Round 1's threads will be opened later today.

Good Luck