LOTR Type Issues That Outcasts Have!

[YayGollum]

For anything from ranting about the movies, to questions, to discussions, to the crazy dude you ran into who looked like Gollum, to well, whatever else. LOTR type stuff only, please. Trying to keep things having to do with that. :rolleyes:

[Froggum]

What happened to Tom Bombadil??????????

How do you leave out Bombadil???????????

[Wolfshead]

Originally posted by YayGollum
to the crazy dude you ran into who looked like Gollum
Funny you should say that, really. There's a guy in my class, not really a fine specimen of manhood, he's a bit on the scrawny side. Hang on, scrap that, he is skin and bone, there's no fat on him. Anyway, I was looking at TTT pics, and I saw them constructing a model of Gollum with his bent spine, and it dawned on my then he looked remarkably like the guy in my class! So, I pointed this out to him - he seems to like hanging around me and my mates, I don't think anyone else wants him - and he was a bit disgruntled to say the least :rolleyes:

[YayGollum]

Poor guy, but still, cool. Anyways, crazy frog person, Boo Tom Bombadil! :eek: :rolleyes: I just wanted to see what would happen. :D

[Froggum]

First of all Tom's pretty darn cool. And secondly, in case anyone doesn't know yet, I'm having serious issues with TTT. For more complete details, check out the TTT thread.

[YayGollum]

Doobedoobedoo...I've probably said this before, but oh well. I have time to post in the GOO so I'm doing it. I superly hate the fact that people don't understand Gollum the way I do. It'll never happen, but I'll keep trying! Am I the only one who didn't notice that superly sad part in that dead marshes chapter where poor Smeagol is talking about them and he says something about there being no birds, then he licks his lips and the evil sam is superly grossed out, then poor Smeagol says the same thing, but sadly and the evil sam doesn't pay attention. Very sad! Evil sam! oh well. just a small rant.

[Froggum]

I'll have to look that up, but anyway, I feel for you, Yay.

[Dragon]

yeah, yay, she feels for you!I do too, I just wont admit to it, because I was nice to people all day, and I was doing drive-by hugging again, so I'm all out of nice..... sorry!

[HobbitGirl]

I feel sorry for Gollum too, but the thing is he's really skitzofrenic(sp?) and no one likes his evil, trecherous side.

Drive by hugging, eh? My friend does sort of the same thing sometimes, only it's like "I think you need a hug" when you're frustrated or whatnot and then she gives you a hug. She's cool. :)

Who else thinks Gollum in TTT was totally cool?

[munchkin]

Originally posted by HobbitGirl
he's really skitzofrenic(sp?)

Whats that mean?
Originally posted by HobbitGirl
Who else thinks Gollum in TTT was totally cool?

MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!

[Dragon]

skitzofrenic means you hear voices that aren't supposed to be there, and I think most people here have skitzofrenia.

and yes, gollum was awesome in ttt

[HobbitGirl]

I thought skitzofrenic meant split personality, and that's what I was referring to.

[Dragon]

well, they're close, the voices you hear can influence you to do things that aren't in your personality, but split personalities are mpd (multiple personality disorder)

[EverEve]

i thought you saw ppl too when you where skitzophrenic? ah, well, maybe its just me. :)

I had a LOT of issues with TTT. Especially the way they ended it, and Treebeard (his actions, not his looks, people!). But when I saw it again, and tried to watch it for a MOVIE, and not as an exact repleca of the book, it was really awesome! Gollum rocked!

[YayGollum]

I actually liked that they ended TTT before Shelob. That makes it so lots of people who haven't read the book don't leave hating poor Smeagol. In ROTK, they'll hate him at the beginning and love him again at the end. Yay! :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

only rare cases of skitzofrenia see people, and those are the really bad ones... has n e 1 seen a beautiful mind? well, they really exagerated it, some people see people, but most just hear them, and that particular guys skitzofrenia wasn't quite that bad I think

[YayGollum]

I never saw that prettiful head movie. It's evil, isn't it? Because it stole that Oscar from FOTR. oh well. Poor Smeagol.

[Dragon]

I didn't like it much, but my parents wanted to see it, and they wouldn't let me stay at my grannies house

[EverEve]

I saw it. Im pretty sure thats where I got my whole "Im-skitzoprenic-and-I-see-nonexsistent-people" idea. Actually, that iss where I got it. I had a grudge against that movie for the longest time. We all KNOW we would have gotten the Oscar if that movie hadnt been nominated *grumble*

[YayGollum]

Oh, yeah. That's another LOTR type issue. When are the next Oscars anyways? Has anybody seen any of the movies we're up against this time?

[EverEve]

ARgh...the Hours took our Golden Globe last night. I seriously think we are gonna have to wait for tRotK to get any serious recognization. *growl*

But I have a theories has too who will be the nominees for the Oscars...not that Ive seen any of 'em. Just based on the Golden Globes:

The Hours
The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers
The Gangs of New York
About Schmidt
Chicago

[Dragon]

*grumbles loudly* I don't like critics, and the nominator people are not cool either!

[Froggum]

I have an issue: I am anal-retentive about spelling. "Skitzofrenic" is actually spelled "schizophrenic." And no, most people don't have it. Be glad, because if they did, the world would suck. Its the worst kind of mental illness to have.

[HobbitGirl]

Sorry, Froggum. I just spelled it the way it sounded.

[Dragon]

thanks, I knew I was spelling it wrong, I just wasn't sure how was right...and when I said most people here have it, that was sort of a joke, but I know its hard to tell when people are joking in writing,so.......

[munchkin]

CAN WE GET OFF OF THE SCITOFRENIC THING ALREADY!?!?!?!? IM SORRY I BROUGHT IT UP!!!!!!

[Wolfshead]

Now who's the scizophrenic, munchkin? ;) You bring up the subject, and now you don't want to talk about it...

[munchkin]

i know...
ANYWAY!!!!!...

[EverEve]

I think it's a lovely topic :) But I'll go with anything you guys decide to talk about...

[Dragon]

so then, topic, topic, topic, think, think, think..........winnie the pooh, winnie the pooh, doo doo doo doodoodoo, winnie the po...oops!

[YayGollum]

You people want another LOTR type issue? How's about Aragorn? The guy who puts the Ick! in heroic. I hate this guy, but I have to admire him, which makes me hate him even more. He's so sickeningly perfect! How can someone like a character like that? That's a big LOTR type issue of mine. It just makes no sense to me. So many people like the heroic characters. Why? They are boring.

[EverEve]

Wow, that would be an issue. I happen to like Aragorn (the character, not Viggo), but that could be just be. I actually tend to like the heroic characters...so does that make broing *shudder*?

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

You don't see Arwen dying to marry Gollum do you?
;)

(Maybe they'll make a sequel: "The Bride of Gollum")

[Myrrien]

watches as the honorable Yay runs off into the distance.

I suppose the reason folk like heros is that they inspire us to be something that we aren't. Folk aren't inspired by being the ordinary joe unfortunately. We want to be stronger, more beautiful, more popular. Thus heros.

[The-Elf-Herself]

And so, logically following that, those of us who DON'T want to be like that, who just want to go our own way and mind our own business, tend to have a negative view of heroes. My personal thing is that heroes just aren't as interesting as more "ordinary joes" or "semi-bad guys". Generally, everyone "loves" heroes, and they get all kinds of songs made up about them, tales, stories. No one pays attention to the average rogue, thief, or otherwise ordinary person, when in fact they might have their own interesting story and view. Personally, I never wanted to be the heroic leader type. Let someone else lead everyone around, let someone else make the speeches, I'll just ignore them and go where I wish.

[Myrrien]

That makes you unusual, think of history, it's full of heros and heroines, like it or not most people in their dreams want to be something different. I'd love to be a hero but I'm not made of that kind of stuff.

[YayGollum]

Yay for unusual people! They fit in here! I am not honorable! :mad: :rolleyes: oh well. Why do people want to be heroic? Why do they look up to heroic people? Heroic people are boring! They are one sided and sickeningly perfect! Sure, some of them are a little unique, but the weaselly characters and the average joe characters are much more fun to root for! They usually have funny little quirks and characteristics that make them interesting! Boo for the heroes! oh well.

[munchkin]

i had a feeling that was coming...

[YayGollum]

Yay for me being predictable with my craziness! :rolleyes: What else? Another Outcast issue? I can't think of anything right now besides movie rants. Poor Eomer. Poor Smeagol.

[Myrrien]

Why do we do that to our heroic characters though? And especially in modern times we tend to make the nasty characters a bit more interesting, or else give our hero's a bit of a nasty past. Something to do with our modern way of life I suppose.

[YayGollum]

I don't like to peer into the brains of the abnormally selfless. Too scary! :rolleyes: Yay for the weaselly dudes being more interesting and the heroic dudes trying but never getting close! :D

[Courtney]

I think it is because mean people are more interesting... hmmm... or more complex anyway...:rolleyes: It's not that we don't appreciate the heroes...

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

I know, Myrrien. It's so discomfitting that we get a kick out of child gun-toters, graffiti artists, shop lifters, etc. And chide the people who try to do some good in the world and improve our lot, (like Jimmy Carter - another thread).

[The-Elf-Herself]

It's not some big issue for me. Heros can go on being heroes all they want and I'm not stopping them. I just refuse to be one. Besides, on average ordinary/weaselly people ARE more interesting, partly because they're so overlooked. Everybody concentrates on the heroes. I think it's also a little bit to do with the way heroes are celebrated in this day and age. THey get medals, TV spots, all that media junque. While the really interesting people are just doing their own thing, maybe helping people out, but on their own terms, and refuse to make anything of it since there isn't anything to be made. Ordinary people. So it's more of the hero as a stereotype than a person being heroic(which gratefully, usually passes and they get on about their life). Hope that's a bit deeper. :rolleyes:

[Myrrien]

What about the ordinary joe who does something unusual and without asking for it becomes a famous hero. I think that's a real hero not one of our ficticious hero types.

[munchkin]

I hate heroes..... I want James Bond's next movie to be called, "No One Lives Forever"! Then he could die!!!!!!Muahahahahahaha!!!!!!!

[HobbitGirl]

Real heros are groovy, but people who are looked at as heros for doing something that's acutally quite insignificant...that's what I have a problem with. For example: sports stars. They throw a ball back and forth and get all sweaty. Whop de do. Just for playing some sport, these guys get paid truckloads of money and are idolized, when the person who should be looked at as the hero is people like brain surgons. People who save lives, not people who play a sport or act in a movie, are the real heros. And real heros are cool!

[Dragon]

I like the heroes that screw up all the time, but manage to fix it in time, but still getting the **** beat out of them for screwing up (not in the oh-so-annoyingly-perfect-james-bond-way, though)

hobbittgirl; I agree completely!

[The-Elf-Herself]

*Backs off from discussion*. Well, this is all very interesting, but my owns views are somewhat different from most people regarding heroes. Even my own family doesn't understand them. Ah well, I'll just be strange. Anyways, this is sounding too much like an unpleasant essay I had to write defining what a hero is long ago, awful subject because it's so subjective!

[greypilgrim]

HobbitGirl is right on about heroes, and we could include alot more there, that aren't popular. A Hero is (Ithink) someone who definately makes a difference in people(s) lives, by some actions or something, and the greater the hero, the more people he or she will have a definate POSITIVE effect on. I don't know if that's understandable, or not, bit oh well.
If I could pick a representative, Outcast-type-Hero from the LOTR, I might say, hhhmmm, and then, either Ghan-buri-Ghan or Gollum, (even though Gollum was a bad-guy)/Smeagol. They both were heroes to their hero-babies (or whatever) GBG to Rohan, and Gollum for leading Frodo/Sam to cracks of doom.
Or maybe the dude at the door to the paths of the dead, he was cool too. Or maybe I'm just rambling...

[munchkin]

I like real life heros, make up ones are icky...

[YayGollum]

Yikes! Maybe I shouldn't have brought up that subject! Lots of scary and different views! People who admire heroes? :eek: :rolleyes: oh well. What do you people think happened to the Entwives? I have a few crazy theories.

[munchkin]

The whowhatHUH?!?!?!?!?!?!

[HobbitGirl]

munchkin: The Entwives are adult female Ents, as opposed to Entmaidens, who are young female Ents.

I think the Entwives migrated to the Shire after their gardens were turned into the Brown Lands, and then they turned tree-ish. Treebeard said that the Entwives would like it there, so that's why I think they would go there. You never really hear anything about anything that could be an Entwife in the Shire, so that's why I think they turned tree-ish. Kind of a tweekish theory, I know, but I'm not going for universal popularity. :)

[YayGollum]

I wouldn't expect an Outcast to. But sure, that's a simple version of one of my crazy theories. I remember some stinky hobbit talking about seeing some tree giant or something sometime. I forget who it was. oh well. Anyways, I'm thinking that sure, the Entwives went to the Shire. They had at least one Ent dude with them. Old Man Willow, of course! They settled in the Old Forest where all the ladies turned into trees and he can control them a little bit. He keeps from falling to sleep by using his superly scary sleepy powers on whatever passes by. Makes all kinds of sense, right?

[Dragon]

makes perfect sense, yay! ( not really......... no )

[YayGollum]

It doesn't? oh well. Poor Smeagol. I gots more. How's about they went way superly to the west and they sunk with all of that other stuff that sunk in The Sil. I remember hearing about a bunch of Ents who killed a bunch of Dwarves one time for no good reason. :rolleyes: That was in part of Middle Earth that sunk. Maybe all of those ladies just drowned. But then, they would float, wouldn't they? oh well.

[munchkin]

Originally posted by HobbitGirl
munchkin: The Entwives are adult female Ents, as opposed to Entmaidens, who are young female Ents.

okey doke...ok, that was weird. Dont ask me why I put that. I'm in a weird mood today:p

[HobbitGirl]

Interesting theory Yay...but I don't know if all the times match up...I mean did the Entwives have thier gardens in the later Brown Lands before Beleriand ect. sunk?

[munchkin]

i dunno...

[YayGollum]

I don't know, either. I don't always use all of the material possible. I find something that I think is cool, come up with something crazy, and just hope noone can prove me wrong. Sometimes I research it. :rolleyes: Anyways, couldn't these ladies have done there thing in that place and then gone to be sunk? :confused: I have no huge and scary timeline.

[munchkin]

FINALLY! Someone who thinks noone is a word. I've been critized a few times for saying that and then they tried to prove me wrong and pulled out a dictonary!

[YayGollum]

And did it turn out to be a real word? Should I say no one? I have no idea. Noone ever said anything about it to me. *hides*

[munchkin]

It wasn't a word:mad: . But oh well, I'm still using it.

[Dragon]

I always type noone, because I don't know how to period/hyphenate/apostraphise it

[YayGollum]

Oh, I got it. You're supposed to go ---> no-one? I did not know that. Yay for Outcasts solving the unsolvable mysteries! I will feel really bad if I find out that we're wrong! :rolleyes: Doobedoobedoo...what a cool Outcast issue that was! :rolleyes: I'll think of something better.

[Dragon]

does n e 1 else type "what" and "that" like "waht" and "taht"?

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

Yeah, but not on purpose.

That noone thing always throws me off, because I pronounce it to rhyme with 'Moonie' then I take too long to figure out what the heck the person is trying to say.

I think it should be 'no one', as in 'it takes one to no one' (he, he, just kidding!)

[YayGollum]

Got it. How's about a real LOTR type issue? What do you think Beorn means by Carrock? That evil torturer Gandalf guy talks about Beorn calling things like that uncapitalized carrocks, but he calls the one that they actually go to the capitalized Carrock. Why? What are normal little carrocks? I have no idea.

[Wolfshead]

The Carrock was a big rock in the middle of that river. Some kind of centre to the power of the Beornings. Presumably Gandalf was referring to carrocks in general, being a rock in the middle of a river. I think.

[YayGollum]

Yes, I know what the Carrock is. I'm just wondering what normal ones are supposed to be and why the Carrock is capitalized. You think that it's because it's the biggest rock in the river? Got it. I have no idea if it's ever really explained. oh well. No big deal.

How's about Mount Gundabad? What's so cool about that mountain that it gets it's own name on an average joe map of Middle Earth? Anything special happen there? I don't remember.

How's about the far north, east, and south? The average joe maps never really show what's out there. What's out there? Does anyone care? Wait. Why do I? *runs away*

[Wolfshead]

Originally posted by YayGollum
How's about Mount Gundabad? What's so cool about that mountain that it gets it's own name on an average joe map of Middle Earth? Anything special happen there? I don't remember. If memory serves, that was the Orc capital in the area... I think.

[YayGollum]

Got it. Orc capital. I had no idea. just wondering. Doobedoobedoo...nobody cares about my other LOTR Outcast issues. I'll think of something else.