Unwanted romance

[Rúmil]

Did I just see Aragorn and Arwen kissing in a preview? Does everyone think that as un-Tolkien as I do?

[T'Vog]

Hm, a lot of people are kinda approaching the whole thing with a little disappointment... I think it is a little out of character with the whole story, especially since the preview I saw had a lot of snippets from this whole thing where Elderon is trying to convince Arwen that Aragorn isn't returning. I hope it doesn't usurp the rest of the story, but I expect it won't...

*crosses fingers*

[*Lady Arwen*]

From the reviews that I've read, the kissing was really a dream that Aragorn had. I don't think it usurp the story since its only I little part of the movie that they show Arwen.

I also read in to reveiws that Arwen is never really in the movie. It just shows her in dreams and memorys.

[T'Vog]

Ah, that silences a few fears...

Now I'm just worrying if the dreams and flashbacks will possibly break the flow. :rolleyes: I know, I'm too much of a worrier...

[*Lady Arwen*]

Well I hope it won't, guess will have to wait another 5 days to find out.

[Asha'man]

What's the big deal? They kissed in the first one, IIRC.

Ash

[T'Vog]

Oh, well I know that.

I liked that because Enya was doing the background music, so I was kinda... paying attention to that instead of the scene. I think Rúmil is worried that it's going over, and they're going to upstage Frodo and the Ring...

[Éomond]

Originally posted by *Lady Arwen*
From the reviews that I've read, the kissing was really a dream that Aragorn had. I don't think it usurp the story since its only I little part of the movie that they show Arwen.

I also read in to reveiws that Arwen is never really in the movie. It just shows her in dreams and memorys.

I heard that also! But those kissing scenes are really *really serious.

[*Lady Arwen*]

Originally posted by Asha'man
What's the big deal? They kissed in the first one, IIRC.

Ash
Yes, once. I think they do it many times in TTT(at least I have seen them in different senes from TTT)

[Asha'man]

Ah, okay. I've only seen the first one three times, so I dunno. :)

Ash

[Ithrynluin]

Originally posted by Rúmil
Did I just see Aragorn and Arwen kissing in a preview? Does everyone think that as un-Tolkien as I do?

Let's just hope they don't exaggerate with the kissing and the love scenes in general. I loved the Aragorn-Arwen scenes in FOTR (yes, the one on the bridge in Rivendell:rolleyes: )

[Isilme]

The kissing doesn't bother me that much, Arwen and Aragorn are suppose to be deeply in love. If the audience doesn't see a few kisses they'll think that their love doesn't matter, that it's sort of a background thing.
Anyway, what's with Elrond saying that Arwens time is up??

[*Lady Arwen*]

He says something about the elves time being over and since Arwen is an elf that meens her time is over... I didn't really understandt that part either.

[Niniel]

I think he meant that the last ships are leaving Middle-Earth, so that if she wants to go into the Undying Lands, she'll have to go soon.

[lightingstrike]

I don;t know how many of you guys read Time Magizine. Well, my uncle gave me a copy and the cover of one of them was advertsing a huge article about TT.
So, I flipped to it and was pretty impressed with the interviews they were able to get. What really disgusted me was this: They had a bunch of pics. in there and one of them was the scene of Arwen and Aragorn kissing.
It didn't look like a dream from the backgroun but, I couln't tell. What really got me ticked was that the caption said, "Arwen and Aragorn, the DOOMED LOVERS" What's up with that!? Are they trying to say that Aragorn loving Arwen is going to set the movie up for a SOAP OPRA kind of thing!? I surely hope not. Have a Merry Christmas every one!

[T'Vog]

They've got to be kidding. Changing anything where they're doomed would butcher Tolkien. PJ would be inviting a complete protest.

Of course to Tolkien, "doom" meant a neutral fate. Arwen is doomed to be with Aragorn...

:rolleyes: Yeah, that was a really big attempt at grabbing straws...

[Niniel]

'Doomed' is a really overdone. But after all, it must mean something to Arwen to give up her immortality and her family for the man she loves. Therefore I think you could call it 'doom', although her choice makes her happy for a few years while otherwise she would have been unhappy forever. But as always with Tolkien, there is no happiness without loss and I think it's a good thing that the film choses to focus on this.

[Phee]

Originally posted by lightingstrike
What really got me ticked was that the caption said, "Arwen and Aragorn, the DOOMED LOVERS" What's up with that!? Are they trying to say that Aragorn loving Arwen is going to set the movie up for a SOAP OPRA kind of thing!? I surely hope not.

I wouldn't be too worried about the caption. It's probably just something that the writer or editor of the article made up themselves. I doubt the makers of the movie supervise the captions that go with every single LotR picture that's published in a magazine.

I really don't see a problem with any kissing action between Aragorn and Arwen. If they don't set up their relationship then the non-reader would find it odd that they end up married. They've gotta show that these two are totally in love with each other, so I honestly don't see how any kissing would be out of place.

[Rúmil]

It's just that it's so unchivalrous, so un-Aragorn like! (not to mention un-Arwen-like)

There are other ways to show two people are in love than to have FOUR kissing-scenes in a movie (that's the number I got from someone who was at the premiere)

[Lindir]

Could be worse. Aragorn and Arwen consummating their undying love for each other before the battle at Helm's Deep, nude celebrating after the victory and so on. A few, probably very chaste kisses isn't exactly upsetting. Even if we never see them kiss in the book, one must assume that they would have.

[Rúmil]

Call me an old-fashioned puritan but it upsets ME. :p

I think the fans would protest quite a lot if Arwen nude-celebrated Helm's Deep anyway :rolleyes:

[Ol'gaffer]

*clears throat* Firstly, the part with Aragorn and Arwen kissing happens only once in the movie, a flashback set in rivendell when Aragorn dreams of the time that he refused arwens gift of losing immortality. Then we see arwen being sent off to the gray havens. that's all!!

[*Lady Arwen*]

Are you sure...?
From all the clips and trailers that I saw they kiss at least 2 times.

[Ol'gaffer]

Originally posted by *Lady Arwen*
Are you sure...?
From all the clips and trailers that I saw they kiss at least 2 times.

I've seen the movie. trust me.

[Mrs. Maggott]

Come, come, come, children! Mr. Jackson definitely "ups the ante" (so to speak) on the relationship between Aragorn and Arwen in the first film and you are upset that they kiss in the second?? Why on earth did you think that Arwen's part was enlarged in FOTR if not to make a "romance" out of the situation? One of the "selling points" that Jackson believed necessary for the film to succeed was putting in the "romance" that he thought Tolkien had left out of the book - and, of course, he was right. There is precious little "romance" in LOTR with the exception of Eowyn and Faramir and even that is short to the point of being dismissive. Affairs of the heart were not the main theme in Tolkien's work!

As for "doomed lovers", it might well refer to the end of the trilogy in which, if I understand it aright, we get to see the deaths of Aragorn and Arwen as a sort of "post-scriptum" to the story. As soon as she accepted mortality to stay with him, she was, in effect, "doomed" to die as was he.

Still, since this is the path that Mr. Jackson has taken, I am sure that he will do a fine job inserting this particular "variation" on the theme into the film. Remember, this is his version of LOTR and we must not expect that it will be identical to the book. So be of good cheer and expect to enjoy yourselves - and you know what? You will! :p

[Ariana Undomiel]

SPOILER WARNINGS!

Ok, I have been reading everyone's posts and to be honest when I first saw the kissing scenes in the trailers I was also worried about what PJ was doing. However, there is nothing to worry about unless you have problems with PJ expanding the love or Aragorn and Arwen. There is absolutely no sensual or sexual scenes in the movie.

There is a scene where Aragorn is wounded and falls into a swift flowing river unconscious. Ok, some purists will definately have a problem with this but I think that it is used as a scene to show Aragorn's mental torment and gives him some time alone. I don't know for sure though as I have not yet seen the movie. Anyway, while his body is being pulled down river he has a dream that he is once again in Rivendell and that his beloved Arwen is there. There are a few gentle kisses between the couple and then Arwen and Aragorn converse in Elvish about Aragorn's destiny. The dream ends and Aragorn, still floating down river, is awakened by a misty image of Arwen gently kissing him. It shows that even though they are separated the king and the elf princess are held together by great bonds.

There are other memories of Arwen and flashbacks and I think there is one scene in the Rivendell with Arwen and Elrond where the father is trying to convince his daughter to give up Aragorn and take the ships to Valinor.

- Ariana

[T'Vog]

And according to the Bravo special, Vigo nearly gets dragged under in the filming of that scene :eek: