View Full Version : 'Little things' in TTT that irked me
Let the nit-picking begin! There were a bunch of little moments I didn't like in TTT. Often they felt cliched or just dumb or wrong. Here are a few:
Theoden - "Leave the dead." You gotta be in some kind of hurry to dishonor those valiant men in such a way. Time and time again in the book the disgust with the idea of leaving carrion was addressed. Maybe it was supposed to say something about Theoden, but it didn't speak to me at all. This line should've been something like "quickly, tend to the fallen. Lord Aragorn is lost."
Eomer - "Rohirrim!" The way the whole cavalry suddenly appears on the hilltop at Eomer's command is just silly. It felt like a cartoon or something there. It spit on this magical moment.
Gimli rolling down the little hill (in the scene when Aragorn find the brooch) - Unnecesary slapstick. I basically enjoyed most of Gimli's comic relief this time around. It was pretty funny and he was still fairly dignified. This was the most notable exception.
Hama goes out screaming - Sure the Warg is scary, but I think the character of Hama deserves better than getting knocked off his horse and then chewed to death. He should've died with a sword drawn at least.
Head thumping during Theoden's exorcism - Why did Gandalf have to keep banging Theoden's head against his seatback during the exorcism, and why did it have to be so loud? This was dishonorable to the king, even in his state, and it sounded like more slapstick.
Did all the Rohirrim peasant's faces have to be caked in dirt? This attempt at realism just made TTT feel like so many other period dramas where they pull this move. I think even the peasants can splash a little water on their face every now and then.
Haladin (was that the first kid's name?) falls off the horse when they get to Edoras - feels totally cliche.
Legolas "THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!" - A cliche sounded line, poorly delivered. There should've been a less heavy handed way of delivering this information. Conversely, Aragorn's followup - "Saruman!" felt pretty good. Good delivery there.
Rabbit Stew - it just pains me that they don't get to eat any of it! It looks so good. Oh well, at least Sam gets a little taste.
Opening on the bridge - I wonder how much Sean Bean got just to have his mug on screen for half a second? Anyway - I wish they'd have shown this from another angle or just anything make it seem fresh and different from FOTR.
Epilogue music for Gollum - that little ominous 'doom doom doom' that's played when Gollum hides behind that tree to start arguing with himself again is totally stupid. Cartoon music all the way.
Arwen & Aragorn kiss too many times in that 'a good dream' scene. Once at the beginning and once at the end would've been right. It was almost a make-out scene as is.
"The White Wizard will know" - Maybe PJ felt we had to place Gandalf in the forest before he shows up before the 3 hunters. I just think it just more than it helped. Gandalf should've briefed Treebeard pretty good on what needed to be done, and why was an Entmoot still required to determine M&P were not orcs? Treebeard should not have taken M&P to see Gandalf.
Gimli burping while drinking in Edoras - The visual of spilling beer down his beard and the sound of loud chewing was already pretty funny. The burb just went for a cheap laugh.
More to come when I remember (maybe)! Do you guys have any of these?
edit: title of thread
Talimon
12-20-2002, 01:28 AM
Can't agree with too many of those... maybe Gimili falling down, and his comment about "Dwarfs are good sprinters", or something to that effect.
My main nitpick is the "suicide bomer" orc at Helms Deep. I don't mind a little allegory, but can we get any more literal? Also the look of the flying Nazgul didn't gel well with me. The steeds themselves looked good, but somehow I imagined the Nazgul themselves to look a little different.
The look of the peasants was great. It helped show thier hopelessness. Besides, if we are to see Rohan as something of a Medieval society (as it apparently is), it is not likely the hygene level was too high.
Another BIG one:
"Where was Gondor when the Westfold was burning? Where was Gondor when our enemies closed in about us? Where was Gond..."
cliche as hell!
Odo Proudfoot
12-20-2002, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by PRH
Another BIG one:
"Where was Gondor when the Westfold was burning? Where was Gondor when our enemies closed in about us? Where was Gond..."
cliche as hell!
I actually liked that one quite well. It shows how stressed-out Theoden is in the face of the coming crisis, makes him more human. And then he suddenly realises/remembers that he is not venting to just anyone, but to the heir of Gondor's throne (assuming somebody has briefed him on Aragorn by then) - and he walks away a bit embarassed.
Or am I reading too much into this?
I agree with Gimli belching. Cheap.
I reserve judgement on the other ones until I have seen the film for the second time. Most of them didn't stand out that much for me.
fG
Galadhwen
12-20-2002, 08:12 PM
I agree with the whole Aragorn/Arwen dreams far too much time taken up, shouldn't the Ringwraiths now be that and not Black Riders the hoods should have gone to the crown things or something.
I loved all of Gimli's humour and it was clever how they brought the whole "Nobody tosses a dwarf!" from FOTR in, a good link Aragorn's "what?" said perfectly afterwards!
I thought the whole Gondor wouldn't come to the rescue was just right.
The Entmoot was great! It really broke Helm's up and showed their nature to a T
Yep that little kid falling off the horse, hum, probable but typical.
What was that Uruk with the flaming brand made of?:mad: He got 2 arrows in the neck and he still didn't die! No way! Uruk's might not know pain but that was just wrong, good film tenseness but what must Legolas feel like? Wasted 2 arrows on an Uruk that blasted the deepening wall, not very good for his score against Gimli!
Did anyone else think they skipped between the 3 threads too quickly? 1 minute with the 3 Hunters then Merry~Pippin then Frodo,Sam~Gollum/Smeagol
These are real nit-picks though. Damn that film was good!:D
Another one -- the culvert in the wall of Helm's Deep was way too big. They didn't need to blast the wall, Uruk-Hai could've just broken the wooden fence and poured in 2-3 abreast. This is about the same rate they passed by though the hole they blasted in the wall anyway!
aragil
12-21-2002, 02:48 AM
PRH, such nit-picking. For shame!!
I've commented elsewhere on the "Where was Gondor" bit- one of the best parts of the movie for me.
Was it just me? I thought that about 2/3 of the Bridge of Khazad-dum sene was different.
As for the culvert- the bomb caused considerably more damage than simply breaking the fence. A broken fence in that spot would have been much easier to repair, as well. And unless I'm again mistaken, there were a lot more than 2-3 orcs going through there abreast- more to the tune of 10 or 15. That makes quite a big differenc in siege warfare. Oh well, what's the saying? "You can please all of the people some of the time, but not if they're Tolkien fans."
Originally posted by aragil
PRH, such nit-picking. For shame!!
This is all bound to be said at some point. See the FOTR forum.
I've commented elsewhere on the "Where was Gondor" bit- one of the best parts of the movie for me.
The message was fine, the style of that speech is played.
Was it just me? I thought that about 2/3 of the Bridge of Khazad-dum sene was different.
Only if you're counting the part outside the mountain. Also, Frodo's 'NO!' comes before the fall now, but it's all the same shots.
As for the culvert- the bomb caused considerably more damage than simply breaking the fence. A broken fence in that spot would have been much easier to repair, as well. And unless I'm again mistaken, there were a lot more than 2-3 orcs going through there abreast- more to the tune of 10 or 15. That makes quite a big differenc in siege warfare.
4 at a time max, and slowly. The width of the breach was only as wide as the culvert at it's base. Anybody can get in and out of this culvert anytime, army or just a few. It's just wrong to have such a hole in the wall. It's like locking your front door but leaving the window wide open.
Oh well, what's the saying? "You can please all of the people some of the time, but not if they're Tolkien fans."
Not a Tolkien fan aragil? For shame.
This are almost all just matters of style and taste. PJ showed almost impeccible taste in FOTR, now in TTT he lost a bit of it. Just making a list. This is not my review of the movie, which is to be read in that appropriate thread.
CloakedShadow
12-21-2002, 04:16 AM
"It's a long ways."
"...toss me."
"What?"
"Toss me...just...don't tell the elf..."
That was priceless!
Also the bit with Legolas and Gimli at Helm's Deep:
"You could have picked a better spot..."
* * *
"Shall I describe it to you, or shall I get you a box?"
I'm sure they could have put it in at a better time, though. To me, the Helm's Deep scene shouldn't have any sort of comic relief that's too noticable, because it's such a dramatic scene, and a very big part of the story. But then again, that's just my wretched two cents.
:rolleyes:
aragil
12-21-2002, 07:22 AM
Personally I thought the exchanges between Gimli and Legolas during Helm's Deep were funny in the books
from Helm's Deep
'Two!' said Gimli, patting his axe. He had returned to his place on the wall.
'Two?' said Legolas. 'I have done better, though now I must grope for spent arrows; all mine are gone. Yet I make my tale twenty at the least. But that is only a few leaves in a forest.'
...
'Twenty-one!' said Gimli.
'Good!' said Legolas. 'But my count is now two dozen. It has been knife-work up here.' I love how the Elf keeps egging him on. "21? Is that all? Hmm." Well, it was funny to me.
Originally posted by PRHOriginally posted by aragil
Was it just me? I thought that about 2/3 of the Bridge of Khazad-dum sene was different.Only if you're counting the part outside the mountain. Also, Frodo's 'NO!' comes before the fall now, but it's all the same shots. Really? I know that the opening shot of Gandalf was different- the one that zooms from outside the mountain to inside. In fact, I remember thinking in the movie theater (in a Pippin Voice) "Oh, now that's different."
Originally posted by PRHOriginally posted by aragil
As for the culvert- the bomb caused considerably more damage than simply breaking the fence. A broken fence in that spot would have been much easier to repair, as well. And unless I'm again mistaken, there were a lot more than 2-3 orcs going through there abreast- more to the tune of 10 or 15. That makes quite a big differenc in siege warfare.4 at a time max, and slowly. The width of the breach was only as wide as the culvert at it's base. Anybody can get in and out of this culvert anytime, army or just a few. It's just wrong to have such a hole in the wall. It's like locking your front door but leaving the window wide open.I'm thinking of the scene where Gimli jumps down on the Orcs in the hole- there was a lot more than 4 abreast there. And in any case, they were at least staying true to the books in having a culvert Orcs could sneak through: also from Helm's Deep
Then a clamour arose in the Deep behind. Orcs had crept like rats through the culvert through which the stream flowed out. There they had gathered in the shadow of the cliffs, until the assault above was hottest and nearly all the men of the defence had rushed to the wall's top. Then they sprang out. Already some had passed into the jaws of the Deep and were among the horses, fighting with the guards. In my opinion this is falling to the level of nit-picking- just as you advertised, I s'pose. Unless you're complaining about the way Tolkien wrote it, in which case you may have a point. Originally posted by PRHOriginally posted by aragil
Oh well, what's the saying? "You can please all of the people some of the time, but not if they're Tolkien fans." Not a Tolkien fan aragil? For shame. No, I'm definitely a Tolkien fan. I'm just one of the ones who was pleased on most of these little points.
Longshanks
12-21-2002, 07:30 AM
First, I have to say I loved this movie. The visuals were stunning and the acting was all I hoped for. But one little thing that made me literally Laugh Out Loud was the slo- mo shot of the Orc "suicide bomber". Maybe it was because the US has hosted the Olympics twice recently, but he looked all the world for an olympic torch bearer running cross country with the olympic flame. All I could think of was the cheesy ABC Olympic music playing while he ran up to the culvert. :) Maybe a "flaming stick" type torch would have been better than the classic looking torch the orc carried. Just a minor quibble with an otherwise fantastic movie
You have REALLY complicated the quoting process here, let's see if I can keep up.
Originally posted by aragil
Really? I know that the opening shot of Gandalf was different- the one that zooms from outside the mountain to inside. In fact, I remember thinking in the movie theater (in a Pippin Voice) "Oh, now that's different."
I'm almost certain it's the same shot. If it's different, then we're at the same level and shifted to one side or the other 5 degrees. Something like a bird's-eye-view would've been great, or at least a 90 degree shift, something to make it really different.
I'm thinking of the scene where Gimli jumps down on the Orcs in the hole- there was a lot more than 4 abreast there.
Don't think so, but I'll watch closely on my next viewing for this.
In my opinion this is falling to the level of nit-picking- just as you advertised, I s'pose.
Of course it's nit-picking. This whole thread is ABOUT nit-picking. I should've probably titled it 'the nit-picking thread' rather then waiting until my very first statement. Nit-picking is fun, but only when it proves small points, like these small matters of taste and style. To try to use nit-picks to prove large points is not so fair.
Unless you're complaining about the way Tolkien wrote it, in which case you may have a point.
The way I interpret your quote from the book is that the orcs basically had to one-at-a-time it though the hole and hide in the shadows until they had enough numbers to make an assault. In the movie, if you remove that wooden gate on the culvert then a sizable assault can just walk on through. It just lessens the impact (visually) of needing a hole in the wall is all. I still get their point.
No, I'm definitely a Tolkien fan. I'm just one of the ones who was pleased on most of these little points.
Then what was the point of your adage?
aragil
12-21-2002, 06:24 PM
Originally posted by PRH
You have REALLY complicated the quoting process here, let's see if I can keep up. Beats me why the default isn't set for nested quotes. It works that way for PMs, and it would make things a whole lot easier here as well.Originally posted by PRH
I'm almost certain it's the same shot. If it's different, then we're at the same level and shifted to one side or the other 5 degrees. Something like a bird's-eye-view would've been great, or at least a 90 degree shift, something to make it really different. Hmm, just re-watched the Fellowship scene, and it does look more similar than I remembered it. Time to take a different tac- I liked seeing Bean again. They should have had the dream sequence between him and Faramir, but since they didn't, then it's nice to at least see him in the movie. That's why this scene works. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Originally posted by PRH
Then what was the point of your adage? The obvious point really- these things worked for me, but I shouldn't expect them to work for everybody.
Aldanil
12-21-2002, 08:01 PM
One man's Mede is another man's Persian
a scene that makes me grind my teeth
pleases another most especially
I find the fight at the Hornburg risible
real fright-night follies with robot elves
Aragorn's relocations quite ridiculous
Uruk-hai pounding out "We Will Rock You"
I swear to Eru I had to laugh out loud
when Theoden King sweeps down on horseback
others affect to see in this sequence
cinematic genius and a source of joy
my heart's not quite tone-deaf enough to join in with
PJ reeeaalllyy has problems with Pacing and Scale
yet others will tell ya they don't even notice
the horse-ornamental detail-work on Eomer's helmet: brilliant
quite as fine as the famous find from Sutton Hoo
the listing well along in the ending credits
for Heroic Orcs and Cute Rohan Refugee Children: prizeless
what further proof is required
of pervasive perversion and cheap cliche
than the filmmakers' very own revelation?
Tar-Ancalime
12-21-2002, 08:01 PM
what gets me is that none of you seem angry about Faramir's sudden change of heart ( or rather his additude about the ring), that insulted me...and Frodo trying to claim the ring...lets save that for maybe ROTK
Finrod
12-21-2002, 08:06 PM
About the wargs, aren't they supposed to be wolf-riders? those things didn't look like wolves. It looked more like the "gladiator" beast in Star Wars ep.II.
Is it possible for tose hundreds of uruk-hai to run inside of Helms Deep without them killing everyone inside before they retreated to the tower? I, mean, they just kept coming.
morello13
12-21-2002, 10:27 PM
just went thorugh my second viewing of TTT
about the ditch the fence would allow about two uruk-hai and when its broken, the gap let in about 6 or 7 uruk-hai
the cahnge is that they now have some room to assemble
i didnt like when faramir was talking with one of his other captains, how they had the map out and had to point at everthing for the audience
plus the mpa was really crappy, alsoi doubt that captains of gondor would not know where isengard, mordor, osgiliath, and rohan are
i miss eomer during the film and i hate faramir
Originally posted by morello13
i didnt like when faramir was talking with one of his other captains, how they had the map out and had to point at everthing for the audience
plus the mpa was really crappy, alsoi doubt that captains of gondor would not know where isengard, mordor, osgiliath, and rohan are
Map was crappy? How so?
I think it was a smart move showing the viewers a map of the situation Gondor was in.
Non-readers would have had no idea that Gondor was about to be Sandwiched. They would not have known where Rohan was in relation to Isengrad, or Gondor.
Who says the captians didn't know where Mordor, Rohan and so forth were?
They just using a map as a visual aid in their discussion.
aragil
12-21-2002, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by morello13
i didnt like when faramir was talking with one of his other captains, how they had the map out and had to point at everthing for the audience Perhaps a "Geography of Middle-earth proficiency exam" should have been required to allow entrance to see the movie? Wonder what that would have done to ticket sales.
Muffinly
12-21-2002, 11:10 PM
AHH! I'm a bit dissapointed. I just got back from seeing it. Here are the things that bugged me:
Frodo, Sam and Smeagol went back to Gondor instead of continuing to Mordor. They could have fit the whole Shelob thing in there if they continued toward Mordor. They changed the story once again.
Gollum wasn't afraid of the Sun! That is messed up.
No Quickbeam! He was my Favorite character in all of LOTR.
It might be just me, but it seems like the whole theme was changed to killing of all Men. In the books Sauron only wanted to kill off Gondor and control everyone else, but not kill everyone. Just enslave them and make them suffer.
I thought the orc running with the torch looked like he was carrying the olympic torch to the lighting ceremony. Oh, someone already posted that.
They made the Dwarf look clumsy. And very short.
They overdid Aragorn's whole dream thing.
They added too much stuff that wasn't in the book, and took much of that which was away.
It was good to have all that comic relief though.
morello13
12-22-2002, 04:57 AM
i realize the average movie-goer does need the map, it just kind of slowed things down witht the finger shots, maybe they could have done the dialouge differently
the books maps and bilbos map in fotr have alot more detail to landscape and places and just look better
i also think the mvoie would have had more tension if they made F&S travel at night
entmoot should have been longer, it took them one day to determine that M&P were not orcs, but only some of night to deicde not to go to war
Isenho
12-22-2002, 05:40 AM
what bothered me a bit was the beginning Gandalf versus Balrog fight. i mean, they didnt show how the 2 got to the top of the mountain and it ended a bit too fast.
Good thing they included the little legolas vs gimli killing contest at Helm's Deep! that was a classic in the book
Isengrin
12-22-2002, 07:31 AM
The scene against the Warg....and Aragorn fallin in the river, Gimli and Legolas abandonning him.......
THAS WAS SO CHEAP AND USELESS
THEY ADDED USELESS SCENES, AND HAVE CUT SOME IMPORTANT ONE...
seriously, i didnt saw anyting in that movie....
the only thing may be the begin, and the fall of Gandalf with the Balrogs, I love it....
For the rest....bah....
Entmoot finish with the decision " Its not our war "
then he change his decision. and all the Ents are behind him , woahwoah woah, they run fast ! WOOOO
Faramir bring Frodo to Osgiliath....why why why decide that ?
notice that he decide to let him go after that stupid scene where Frodo offer the ring to the Nazgul
SAURON IS NOT SUPPOSE TO KNOW WHERE THE RING IS AT THIS MOMENT
THIS SOOOOOOO MESS UP ALL THE MOVIE.....
I imagine Sauron " ....humm...a hobbit. carrying the Ring, at Osgiliath....where the **** he s goin ? ... "
God...think about it...the effect of surprise is gone, its like, Sauron know that he s coming into Mordor, where else could he go if he s at Osgiliath?
Minas Tirith ? God, then, where he come from ???????????? :0
To Harad....? Useless to say anyting about it :mad:
ARGGGG
I HATED THE MOVIE
I prefer look movies like "Reign of Fire" , that is not based on any book
I prefer imagine the story in my head, that being imposed to SEE it on a screen
Im goin to suicide myself !!
If Sauron could not learn by his nazgul who Aragorn was then why should he learn who Frodo was. Furthermore, if Sauron learns that the Ring was in Osgiliath that would further convince him that Gondor would claim the Ring to use against him.
Here's another thing that irked me (can't believe I forgot this until now) --
Needless truncating of lines taken from the book:
Gimli's "Give me your name, horse-master, and I will give you mine, and more besides." becomes "Give me your name, horse-master, and I will give you mine." Yet it is still received as an insult/threat by Eomer where the real insult/threat was the part that was omitted!
Eomer's "I would cut off your head, beard and all, Master Dwarf, if it stood but a little higher from the ground" becomes "I would cut off your head, Dwarf, if it stood but a little higher from the ground." This just ruins the nice poetic meter of the line for no reason.
Treebeard's "I am not altogether on anybody's side, because nobody is altogether on my side" becomes "I am not on anybody's side, because nobody's on my side." Again, ruins the nice poetic meter AND it really alters the meaning. Instead of having some enemies and some neutral and some pseudo-allies, everyone is an enemy to him in the movie. Of course he takes M&P directly to Gandalf who is clearly on his side.
I'm with you about Treebeard. Not Eomer though. Sometimes I think it sounds ridiculous when amid all this "normal" talking someone throws out a more poetic sounding line.
Aragorn said something (I can't recall right now) that was nice and poetic but it seriously clashed for it.
With treebeard's line I dont think this would be a problem, I dont think of it as sounding poetic I just like the meaning.
Odo Proudfoot
12-22-2002, 02:28 PM
Originally posted by Isengrin
Faramir bring Frodo to Osgiliath....why why why decide that ?
notice that he decide to let him go after that stupid scene where Frodo offer the ring to the Nazgul
SAURON IS NOT SUPPOSE TO KNOW WHERE THE RING IS AT THIS MOMENT
THIS SOOOOOOO MESS UP ALL THE MOVIE.....
I imagine Sauron " ....humm...a hobbit. carrying the Ring, at Osgiliath....where the **** he s goin ? ... "
God...think about it...the effect of surprise is gone, its like, Sauron know that he s coming into Mordor, where else could he go if he s at Osgiliath?
Minas Tirith ? God, then, where he come from ???????????? :0
To Harad....? Useless to say anyting about it :mad:
Sauron would simply asume that the Ring would go to Minas Tirith, just as it would indeed have done if film-Faramir hadn't changed his mind and released Frodo and Sam. Which is actually exactly as in the book, only it happens at a slightly later moment and in Osgiliath. But by that time book-Faramir is in Osgiliath himself so all that has changed is the time of his decision, and not by much. I think that can be defended on cinematographic grounds.
Where it came from? Down the river. A logical route for anyone when you are on your way from the North to Minas Tirith.
fG
Snaga
12-22-2002, 05:04 PM
I was amused that Eomers small force of rebellious Rohirrim at the start of the movie is transformed into an enormous force capable of routing the 10,000+ urukhai of Saruman at the end of the movie. These Rohirrim breed fast!
Rúmil
12-22-2002, 05:48 PM
More atrocious nit-picking:
How come Faramir's map was in English? Could that map time-travel?
How did Legolas know about the Mearas? And why did he pronounce it with an Elvish accent? Maybe *snigger* PJ didn't realize it was an anglo-saxon word...
PS: The cutting of Éomer's dialogue annoyed me too. I hope it will be complete in the EE. By the way, did anyone think that Éomer was an atrocious actor?[
Originally posted by Rúmil
By the way, did anyone think that Éomer was an atrocious actor?[
Not really. Not the strongest performance of the movie, but not a weak one I'd say. That gap in the middle of his moustache was really odd though.
Rúmil
12-22-2002, 09:17 PM
I think that was a real moustache. It's just the way it is on him, I'm afraid. Ever notice how Aragorn has a bare patch on his chin too?
Yes, and Aragon has the scar over his lip which leaves a bare spot too.
Gandalf White
12-23-2002, 04:25 AM
Wow, they should have named this the Nit-pickers Forum. None of the stupid stuff you are talking about really bothers me. The worst thing was the the sound track stunk compared to LotR.
Tar-Ancalime
12-23-2002, 06:42 AM
I rather like the soundtrack..
Niniel
12-23-2002, 09:28 AM
Yeah, I loved the soundtrack. I really don't mind whether Aragorn and Eomer have bare spots in their beards or whatever, but I do think Karl Urban is not the best actor that could have played Eomer. Luckily he was not in the film as much as he was in the book.
Rúmil
12-23-2002, 01:02 PM
I must say one of the greatest advantages of the movie was actually the soundtrack. I just loved the 'Rohirrim' theme, for instance.
And this is the nit-picking thread, so why not indulge ourselves? :D
Gandalf White
12-23-2002, 03:07 PM
Oh, wait a second, I forgot about that one. Lol. I'm gonna have to go see it again. Yeah, I liked the theme for Rohan, but overall it wasn't as good as LotR.
Originally posted by Rúmil
And this is the nit-picking thread, so why not endulge ourselves? :D
Rúmil gets it!
I imagine Lembas as being soft but in the movie it was scrunchy! The excuse that it wasn't fresh would obviously not work since it was still in the leaves!
I KNOW!! And what's more, Sam tosses Frodo a big chunk when as we know, one small bite is enough to fill a grown man's stomach (I guess maybe Frodo could be saving it for later...).
Rúmil
12-25-2002, 02:39 PM
a grown man, not a grown hobbit! :rolleyes:
Ithilin
12-25-2002, 03:23 PM
mae gowannen! =)
in general i thought the movie was great, but i didn't like the fact that Aragorn fell of the cliff and Legolas and Gimli didnt even bother to look for his body...
I didnt like Haldir dying, OR the Aragorn/Arwen-scenes, and what were Sam and Frodo doing in Osgilaith???
but the worst part was Faramir being such an unnoble jerk in the beginning of the movie...=(=(
oh well, could have been worse
TheFool
12-25-2002, 05:12 PM
I was a bit disappointed with the armour/costumes of TTT; mostly the Haradrim and the Riders of Rohan. The Haradrim looked like extras from Xena Warrior Princess! Armour of Rohan reminded me of He-Man - but Theoden's armour was pretty good.
Continuity - someone needs to decide whether
a) Gimli's axe has 1 blade or 2
b) The ring is on a chain, or off it :p
The miniatures used for a lot of the sets looked, hmmm, a bit obvious. The worst offenders were the Black Gate ramp, and Barad-dur... the tower looked a lot less scary than in FOTR.
The Eye - the 3D eye just looks a bit helpless, stuck up there on top of the tower with his little lightning bolts! FOTR Eye was much better, seen from right up close, all burning and EviL.
Of course, I am just nitpicking because the standard set by FOTR was so high :cool: - and anyway Gollum is better than any of the effects in FOTR :)
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