I just saw TTT and, for all outcasts who are interested...

[Froggum]

J.R.R. Tolkien is rolling over in his grave. May Peter Jackson burn in hell. :mad:

But first...

He should be strung up in the nearest tree, half-hung, ritually disembowled, burned nice and crispy, not quite to death, and then left to rot in a field of circling carrion birds. 'Nuff said.

[Wolfshead]

Well... yeah. You could be over-reacting just a little bit?

I saw the film on Wednesday after school, and at the end I decided that as a sequel to the first film, it was incredible, but compared to the book it just wasn't there. There were too many changes, many of them completely unnecessary. But the one thing that annoyed me most was that they destroyed Faramir's character. He came across as pretty much the same as Boromir, not the contrast he was supposed to be.

And there was a distinct lack of character development, it seemed one continuous battle. But hey, that's good, I like battle scenes!

[mr underhill]

i class the films as different to the books.. when i watch the movies i wipe every book thought out my mind and try and enjoy the movie..

[Dwarf Lord]

I'm afraid that I was unable to go see the movie. But what I heard from my friend who did it was good. I'm just glad that they actually show the ents destroying isengard. I believe once I heard a rumor that they were gonna cut that part from the movie, and that would have been complete horse stuff. But I let ya know what I think when I actually see it.



DWARF LORD

[Froggum]

I'm afraid I simply could not enjoy the movie. I simply wasn't prepared to see TTT butchered that way. I mean, FotR wasn't anywhere near that bad.

Good: Gollum rocked!

Bad: everything else, including:

1. Elves at Helm's Deep. That was just wrong. There is only one elf in the entire book and adding several thousand of them was just wrong.

2. Faramir being a jerk. I like how someone on the movie threads put it: He was just as bad as Boromir with none of his redeeming qualities.

3. The Ents looked wussy there for awhile. It annoyed me. And for a being like Treebeard to be outwitted by Merry and Pippin? Very stupid.

4. Using Gimli for comic relief and making him look stupid every 5 minutes. Seriously, the short jokes got old realy fast.

[Celebthôl]

firstly there were only about 300ish elves at Helms Deep and thats all, but Gimli was well funny

Thôl

[YayGollum]

Yay! I was about to put my own little Outcast TTT thread. It seems to me to be that everyone loved Gollum. I have to say that Andy Serkis didn't do a bad job, but I'll have to see how he turns out in the last movie. Most of the stuff that everyone else hated, I could care less about. I was just waiting for the movie to get back to Gollum the Hero. :D
I did think that going to that one stinky city with Faramir was stupid. Why build a set that you don't need? oh well.
I didn't like how Theoden was portrayed. I thought of him as more of an, "Argh! Yay for the glory of battle!" not always saying stuffs like, "Oh, protect the women and children!" sorry, but he seems to me to be a guy who'd say and do what he felt and think about it later. oh well. I'll get more later.

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

Oooo, Wonderful, An Outcast's review thread!

I have seen it once and thouroughly enjoyed it. I was prepared for the changes, so wasn't too perplexed. I personnaly like Faramir's and Theoden's remakes. And loved seeing Osgilaith. It was a beautiful set. If we didn't see that, it would have been filled in with more walking through the woods!

True, there were many book things left out (the Oliphant poem and more of Eomer) that could have filled the time spots of the redundant scenes (how many times do we need to see the women and children in the caves, or see Gimli unable to catch up with the others), but other than those complaints, I glory in the movie for both the many, many lines left in, and for the interesting changes and additions. It makes for a really fun movie, because it's enough of a new plot to be surprising instead of old, and enough of the old plot to still be dear to us.

So there! :p

(I will see it again today and see if I find anything I seriously don't like.)

[Vixen Evenstar]

Originally posted by Froggum
J.R.R. Tolkien is rolling over in his grave. May Peter Jackson burn in hell. :mad:

But first...

He should be strung up in the nearest tree, half-hung, ritually disembowled, burned nice and crispy, not quite to death, and then left to rot in a field of circling carrion birds. 'Nuff said.

Well........i liked it....

:D

[Dragon]

as a movie, not modeled after lotr, it was awesome, but the fact that they called it ttt and did not stay true to the bookmakes me really angry. it was great as a movie, just not as ttt

[Vixen Evenstar]

ahem...yeah...it was great as a movie that had the same charaters, the same places, the same plot.....mehehe......you can't really look at it as a movie not modled after it....

[Ice Man]

I watched the movie yesterday, and I liked it alot. Sure, some changes seemed unecessary, but that's why I watched the movie, to see something that was different from the books. I've already read the books several times and the last thing I wanted is to see an exact copy of them in front of me on the movie screen.

Gollum was well represented, and a little bit less disgusting than I had imagined.

The only thing I didn't like was to see how easy the battle of Helm's Deep was won once Gandalf arrived. Things changed from hell to heaven in 5 minutes. Sheesh, they could have at least made the battle last a bit longer and let us enjoy some scenes with Gandalf shooting magic from his fingers.

I give it 9 out of 10.

[Ice Man]

One last thing, I was expecting a completly new soundtrack, but they used much of the songs and themes from the first movie.

But I'm ok with that.

[YayGollum]

Okay, it looks like we have a few different opinions in here. What are we talking about? Looks like the soundtrack. Yeah, I would've liked more original stuffs, but what was original was superly cool, I thought. oh well. Maybe next time. Am I the only one who cares about the treatment of Theoden? I usually hate human characters, but this dude has always reminded me of Beorn.

[Ice Man]

Why does he remind you of Beorn?

[Froggum]

as a movie, not modeled after lotr, it was awesome, but the fact that they called it ttt and did not stay true to the bookmakes me really angry. it was great as a movie, just not as ttt
my sentiments exactly. It was good, but it wasn't Tolkien.

[Dragon]

I was hoping that would make sense.

[YayGollum]

Why does Theoden remind me of Beorn? Because neither of them ever seemed superly intelligent to me. They both seem to be the type who get an idea in their heads and run with it. They're both superly into obtaining honor while being selfless. They're both superly into protecting what's their's while getting to have fun in battle. As far as I know. Maybe I'm just crazy, but I kind of thought that Theoden was too indecisive in the movie. He was thinking while he should have been going ahead with his plans. oh well.

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

Speaking of the soundtrack, what did all of you think of "Gollum's Song" during the credits?
Actually, a non-lyrical, music-only version played as they panned the camera up the mountain side at the end, which I thought was really pretty, but the song itself freaked me the first time I heard it. The voice was harsh and the music was - well, I don't know musical terms, but something like off-key, dischordant, or used lots of flat or sharp notes - whatever it is when you are between real notes.
But when I heard it the second and third time, I started to like it, because the words are sad and the music fits the sadness and futileness.
I can't imagine it could win the academy award, but it is definitey Outcastish kind of music. Maybe we should adopt it as out 'theme' music.
Anyway - I like it now a lot. I can't get over the line into 'love it' but I like it very, very much.

[YayGollum]

Sure, I like Gollum's song. Fits him very well. It couldn't have been something that everyone would like, or it wouldn't fit Gollum as well. It had to be something superly strange like that. Yay for turning it into the Official Outcast Theme Song! Should I make a poll or should I just do it?

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

Well, most Outcasts hate polls, but I'll vote YES if you make one.

[YayGollum]

There ya go. sorry about that. I forgot how to make a poll for a while. :rolleyes:

[Vixen Evenstar]

E-yuck! I did NOT like the Gollum song......the person singing it sounded like she had a frog in her throat....:rolleyes:

[YayGollum]

I believe it. just like Gollum, you either love this song or you hate it. Ummm...or you're indifferent. Or you're creeped out. Take your pick. oh well. I liked it because it fit Gollum so well. Pretty much anybody would admit that, right? You don't like frogs? :eek:

[Dragon]

what's the difference between having a frog in your throat, and having....say... a grapefruit in your throat?

[YayGollum]

Ummm...one is comfortable? Wait. No. I mean, one has more protein? No. That's not it. One is a real phrase that is actually used? Yeah, I think that's it. :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

yeah, but wouldn't your voice sound the same if you had anything else in your throat?

I think when most people use that phrase, they mean that they sound like a frog

[YayGollum]

I'm sorry that I don't know the history of the phrase, but yeah, I think that you would talk differently if you had a grapefruit in your throat. A grapefruit would be bigger. It wouldn't be moving. Stuff like that. oh well. What was this thread for? I forgot. :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

oh yeah...it's for ttt the movie

[YayGollum]

Oh, yeah. Any other rants about TTT? I'm going to go see it for the second time tomorrow so I might get some more soon.

[munchkin]

only the second???? I've seen it like 3 times!!!!!

[YayGollum]

I am sooo sorry that I'm not the richest person in the world! :rolleyes: oh well. Yeah, I have plenty of rants, but Theoden is still the worst. He's supposed to be aggressive and decisive and impulsive and firm! This movie made him look too weak! oh well. There should have been more Gollum/evil sam interaction to make people hate the evil sam! That scene in the Dead Marshes was superly stupid! Gollum is talking about lights, but we never see any! What was with that ghosty dude? That stuff didn't happen! Argh! Plenty more!

[Dragon]

californication...that's all I gots to say, californication.

[YayGollum]

Even though it was in New Zealand? :rolleyes: oh well. Yay for the representation of poor Smeagol, though! Everyone loves him! I can only hope that this guy does a good enough job on the rest of it.

[munchkin]

hes done an awesome job so far, lets hope he can keep it up...

[roguelion]

Hey guys, its been a while, but im back..
My top rants about TTT.....

1.Not enough Gollum/Smeagol
2.Theodin was not regal and strong enough looking after he was excorcised of saruman, before it was pretty close to what i pictured.
3. Those dang wargs, there suposed to be like giant wolves if I remember the Hobbit correctly, not overgrown heineas or dingos that move like cats...ack
4.Legolas's super shield slide down the stairs @ Helms Deep...way to cheesy and super heroy(is that a word?)
5. Gimli!!! WTF was P.J. thinking when he made Gimli the comic relief? Gimli is a great character and one of the best dwarved in Tolkiens writings, hes not a comedian...ack..but the "Shall I describe it to you..or would you like me to find you a box" gag was funny.

Thats about it for now.

[munchkin]

Thats a couple rants for ya!

[Dragon]

mmmmmm....yummm...more stuff to think/complain about!!!!!

[munchkin]

LOTS more!:D

[Wolfshead]

Originally posted by roguelion
Deep...way to cheesy and super heroy(is that a word?) It would be super heroic, wouldn't it? :D

[Froggum]

I still stand by what I said. Gollum was the only cool thing about the movie. The rest of it was totally... um... for lack of a strong non-profane explitive, not to my liking. Okay, just plain wrong in nearly every respect. And I wish I hadn't paid eight bucks to see it.

[Dragon]

DUDE!!!!! EIGHT BUCKS!!??!!?? oh yeah...Iowa, sorry

[munchkin]

THATS CRAZY!!!!! For me its 5, and my town is proably the same size as yours!

[Dragon]

well, it's going up here, but so far, it's only at like 4.50, still, 8 bucks?

[YayGollum]

It's about eight bucks here, too. Oo! Interesting! Movie ticket prices! :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

yay, your profile says SC; south carolina?

we should make a chart of the USA and write the price of movie tickets in each state

[YayGollum]

Yes, evil, boring, nasssty South Carolina full of evil, boring, nasssty Southern accented people! We should? Why? I mean, Oo! Sounds interesting! That can be your job! :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

never mind, bad idea, I take it back!

[Froggum]

Actually, Iowa City isn't that small. In Burlington, where I'm originally from, movies are $6.50

[munchkin]

I think its an awesome idea, Dragon!

[Dragon]

I know it's a good idea, I just don't want to be the one to do it!

[munchkin]

ok, anyone want to volentere!!!!

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

I will volunteer, but it will be a chart of REGIONS, because 50 states would make it too big. Make a post, with your ticket prices in this format:
PA - 5.50/7.50
or that is, your
STATE, - the twilight or matinee price / full evening price.
OK? You can also use 4 letter code to add your city AND state if it will be recognizable (large cities only) - such as KCMO stands for Kansas City, MO. You can add more than one city, if you have first hand knowledege of several places.
I will also make world regions, like AUS / NZ, Orient, Europe, So. Amer., Mid-Asia, and Middle East.

I will put this in the Movies Forum instead of here.
Each day, I will add any new posts to the original chart in the first post - but only if it is in that format, so I can cut and paste.
Look for it by tomorrow.

This chart will also allow us to see the distribution of members.

[munchkin]

Ok, heres one:

ME: $5.00

[roguelion]

Alberta ,Canada- $8.00 (regular adult) $4.50 Matenee
(All prices canadian)

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

You guys aren't using the FORMAT. That will make it harder for me to cut and paste.
Please do put both prices - the cheapest AND the most expensive.

I have put the chart and instructions now in 'The Two Towers' forum. Everyone please go there to post ticket prices and I will get them into the chart. Thanks.

[balrog]

Originally posted by Froggum
J.R.R. Tolkien is rolling over in his grave. May Peter Jackson burn in hell. :mad:

But first...

He should be strung up in the nearest tree, half-hung, ritually disembowled, burned nice and crispy, not quite to death, and then left to rot in a field of circling carrion birds. 'Nuff said.

I was quite disappointed with ttt as well...I think once your into the books, the movie cannot compare!

however I was impressed with Gollum

[YayGollum]

SC 5.00/7.50

Yay Gollum! :D

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

Oh, all right, I moved the last three of you's movie prices over into the chart in the TT forum. :rolleyes:

I hope everyone else will go there to post their ticket prices! Thanks. MOL

RogueLion, if yours is Canadian dollars, I'm moving up there. The converter says those prices in Amer. dollars are $2.94 and $5.27. That's really cheap!!! If you tell me that's for real, I'll go change it in the chart.

[Sador]

Hey what about us poor Aussies $13.50 night or day(except tuesday when they go down to the staggeringly cheap price of $9.00) I don't know the conversion rate but I'm sure we are being ripped off.
BTW I've read the book about twenty times and I still liked the movie.
Gollum was great.
Eowyn was perfect
Faramir due for conversion in the next one I suspect.
Wormtongue as evil as he should be.
My only real disappointments were;
Not having the Ents/Huorns consume the Isengard Horde in the night.
Merry and Pippin not reuniting with the others sitting smoking in the midst of the ruins of Isengard.

[Mindy_O_Lluin]

http://www.xe.com/ucc/

Conversion site above.

Welcome to TTF Sador. I will convert your ticket prices and put them in the chart in the TTT thread.

Actually, it's not really all that bad, since your Aussie adult prices converted to $7.97 in Amer. dollars. Thats cheaper than many east coast US prices.

[Sador]

:D :D :D Well well well
cheaper than I thought.

[My_Precious]

Originally posted by Froggum
J.R.R. Tolkien is rolling over in his grave. May Peter Jackson burn in hell. :mad:

But first...

He should be strung up in the nearest tree, half-hung, ritually disembowled, burned nice and crispy, not quite to death, and then left to rot in a field of circling carrion birds. 'Nuff said.

Amen, dude!
There were moments when I just wanted to get up, scream, and leave. At the end, I didn't get up and applaude like everyone else did.
I was really angry at that old hairball for ruining my favorite character-Faramir, for Elves at Helms Deep, for everything! Well, except maybe Gollum.

[e.Blackstar]

It was a WONDERFUL movie...


But it WASN'T LOTR


Die PJ!!!!

[YayGollum]

Yikes! It looks like you people aren't very big fans. oh well. You don't appreciate this PJ person for giving you another person to rant about? :rolleyes: I could care less about most of the changes. I think he did a pretty good job with Gollum and that's my main concern. sorry about that. *hides*

[munchkin]

I didn't think it was that bad, he just missed lots of things!:D

[e.Blackstar]

It wasn't really the cuts that I minded, but the character personality transplants were pure EVIIIIIIIIL!!!!

[YayGollum]

What did he miss that made the movie so bad? Anyways, yes, the personality transplants were very evil. Poor Theoden.

[Tuilin]

J.R.R. Tolkien is rolling over in his grave.
Thats what I said too:rolleyes:

[e.Blackstar]

By about Meduseld, I was holding my head in my hands and shaking it so violently that I thought that I would fall off of my chair. The ignorant poeple around me looked upon my convulsions in dismay, but I didn't even care, so deep was I wallowing in my despair. *sighs, begins to cry. suddenly stops, finds a knife and an Internet pic of PJ and hacks it to pieces. Sits back down witha satisfied sigh*
Now, where were we?

[Wonko The Sane]

I liked TTT, but the one two things that bothered me:

WARGS ARE WOLVES PEOPLE!!!!!

And-

FARAMIR DIDN'T WANT THE RING! THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT OF FARAMIR!!!

That's all I have to say. :)

[YayGollum]

Yeah, the Wargs did look a little stupid. They would be a lot scarier if they looked the way they were supposed to. oh well. Ick. Why care about boring old Faramir? *hides* Yay for Theoden from the book! :D

[Tuilin]

"Theoden" in the movie was evil.
First he was like a ghost and then gandalf pointed at him and said abrakadabra and made theoden shake and then he was very young and fresh and suddenly all fine again.
Theodens mind was corrupted, not his body.
It was more a psycological thing and gandalf opend his eyes. But theoden wasnt all suddently perfectly fine again...:mad:

[Ol'gaffer]

I hate to say this but you outcasts are really whiny little kids.

"waaa, faramir wasn't how I wanted him to be"

"waaa, the wargs looked silly"

"waaa, the rinwraiths weren't real"


It's only a movie and as an adaptation it certainly beats the heck out of that Bakshi or Rankin Bass version. :mad:

[Tuilin]

"waaaa, Ol'gaffer thinks were whiny"

[YayGollum]

Woah! What's with the insult, dude? There are plenty of other people to insult about this in the movie section. Why come to mess with us? oh well. This thread was meant for whining and that's just what we'll do. sorry about that. I'm sure we could unwhine just as we unrant in the Real Life Rantings thread. There are plenty of stuffs that I like about the movie, but some of us happen to think that dwelling on the negative stuff is more fun. :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

Originally posted by Ol'gaffer
I hate to say this but you outcasts are really whiny little kids.

"waaa, faramir wasn't how I wanted him to be"

"waaa, the wargs looked silly"

"waaa, the rinwraiths weren't real"


It's only a movie and as an adaptation it certainly beats the heck out of that Bakshi or Rankin Bass version. :mad:

ol' gaffer: waaaahh...you outcasts are whiny, waaahh!!!

who's whining? huh?huh?huh?

[Wonko The Sane]

*Whines more*

They made the Wargs ugly!!

*Stops whining*

They did a good job with Gollum though. They made him lovable. :)

[Aragon'scool]

I know I'm a little late but the movie i agree is not comperiso to th book. Bu i have the movie already and watch it all the time

[YayGollum]

I didn't think that they made the Wargs look especially ugly. They just didn't pay attention to the bookses when they made them. oh well. Anyways, got it. The movie is not comparable to the book. I wouldn't think so. Yay Gollum! :D

[Wonko The Sane]

I LOVED the scenes with Gollum.
He really stole the show.
It was great cos in the book I just feel sorry for him because he just got the raw end of the deal in life...
And in the movie I feel the same way. :)
YAY FOR PRESERVING GOLLUM LOVE!
:)

But the Wargs WERE ugly...they looked like mutant kittens.

[Tuilin]

Jess! The wargs looked like wierd buffalos:mad:

[YayGollum]

Okay, okay, okay. They're ugly. Whatever you say. I doubt that they'd look especially prettiful if they looked the way they were supposed to. oh well. I think they looked more like big hyenas. *hides*

[Wonko The Sane]

Wolves are pretty.
Therefore Yay is wrong.

But yeah...they looked like large hyenas or sabertooth tigers or something. :)

[YayGollum]

I never said that wolves aren't pretty. Even though I don't think they are. Ick. Nasssty evil things. Pretty much dogs.

[Tuilin]

Nooo!!
Wolves are beautifull and cute:)

[YayGollum]

Ick. No. They are just like dogs. Dogs are evil. They're probably worse than dogs since they're scarier and more evil. *hides*

[Annushka]

Wolves are very beautiful and powerful.
Anyway, FOTR was much better that TTT. I think that the worst thing about TTT weren`t the Wargs looking siily etc. the worst thing is that the whole magical spirit of the book was gone. The mythology of the ME wasn`t there. In the FOTR I could feel that atmosphere. The second one was just action. I hope it will return in the ROTK. Besides changing characters is stupid. No one gave that right to PJ. And it`s pointless. I still can`t understand what was the purpose of making Faramir the way he was in the movie.
On the plus side is of course Gollum:) He is the best thing in the movie.

[Wolfshead]

Gollum wasn't the best thing in the film - that was the battle of Helm's Deep. For lack of a better word, it was awesome. Although I still don't know how Aragorn survived being hurled off the wall and into a mass of orcs :rolleyes:

[YayGollum]

Ack! How could that Helm's Deep thing be anywhere near as cool as Gollum? It's just a bunch of brainless fighting. They made Gimli look bad. What else? Gollum stole the show. He's the coolest thing Tolkien ever thought up. *runs away*

[Wonko The Sane]

Gollum did kind of steal the show in TTT, however creative license gave PJ the right to change the characters.
Except for Faramir. Faramir needs to be left well enough alone.
*Glowers*
The whole POINT of Faramir is that he's supposed to NOT WANT THE STUPID RING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*rants*

[Tuilin]

A (removed by Beorn) a big lot of other caracters up too!!

[Wonko The Sane]

I can NOT believe you just said the f word!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[YayGollum]

Uh, huh. I still don't get what the big deal is with Faramir. He's just another boring hero like Eowyn. :D

[Wonko The Sane]

How come Tuilin didn't get warning points for that?

Hmm...anyway, Faramir is great.

Gollum isn't the ONLY hero you know. And you can still love Gollum without all the other characters and heroes being stupid, or evil, or anything!!! :mad: :rolleyes:

[YayGollum]

I'm mostly creeped out that the scary Beorn person is watching us. :eek: :rolleyes: Anyways, I guess it didn't matter that much. This Tuilin person got a real warning before getting some warning points. :confused: I don't know. Anyways, sure, I know that there are plenty of heroes in LOTR. That doesn't mean that I have to like any of them, though. :D

[Tuilin]

whoops:rolleyes:
Forgot about that.
What are warning points??
help...this is scary...

Edit: The guy sent me a PM though.

[Wolfshead]

If you happen to partake in an activity that is not suitable for the forum (like swearing), you will get warning points. For swearing you would get 2 points, if you happen to reach 25, you get banned. If you just watch what you do, you should be alright :)

[YayGollum]

That's creepy. Did they ever figure out how you lose those little point things? Because you never know. Some person could do a few different evil things a few times and get really close to twenty-five and they're not really that evil of a person. oh well. just wondering.

[Tuilin]

If the warning points are the "warning level" things I havent lost any.

[YayGollum]

Yes, I know. Some people were wondering why you didn't because you were messing around with cursing. oh well. No big deal. I guess you don't know the answer to my question. :rolleyes: Let me see here. Any other movie rants? Who thought that it would have been nice if they lost the Arwen scenes and cut down on the brainless fighting so they could toss in more of what was actually in the book? :rolleyes:

[Tuilin]

I thought so!!
PJ needs to sort out his priorities.

[Wolfshead]

Nah, gratuitous violence is what the film needs ;) But you're right, we could have done with a bit less Arwen - the cartoon cut her out completely!

[YayGollum]

I believe it. It's just like this evil Helen Of Troy thing. The story is not about love. It's about a huge and scary and epic adventure that is a classic. Why change what's already great? oh well. *sniff* Anyways, there could still have been plenty of violence if they took some out.

[Annushka]

Actually, I`ve read in some article that they are going to pay more attention to the Arwen-Aragorn line:( I`m quite sure that it won`t be any more interesting that in the TTT.:rolleyes: and the 3rd one is going to be 3.5 hours. So if they put all that scenes with Arwen in the middle of the movie we`ll have enough time to rest:) They are beautiful but so-o boring.:(

[Wonko The Sane]

Hmm...I think Arwen is pretty.
I like having her in the storyline just to look at her costumes and hair and stuff...


But I don't understand why they f-ed up Faramir so badly. :mad:

[YayGollum]

Why worry about that? He's just another average joe and typically heroic type boring human. Barely different from the other characters just like that. Anyways, sure, I'm not so stupid that I don't understand why some people might like the extra scenes with Arwen, but still. That's time that could be used to show more cool stuff that actually happened in the bookses. ---> More Gollum scenes.

[Wonko The Sane]

He's not as cool as Gollum...fine.
But he's still cool. :) And I hate him to be messed up.

[YayGollum]

Would you be able to explain why you think he's cool? Some crazy Outcast around here actually made me start thinking about possibly appreciating that Eowyn character. Very impressive!

[Wonko The Sane]

I hope that was Rhiannon. :) It's her goal to help people appreciate Eowyn.

Faramir is cool because most humans are greedy, unable to handle power, only in it for the money, the notoriety, or the power.

But Faramir knows that he'll be unpopular, and unfavoured by his father for doing what he believes in, but he does it anyway. He's not tempted by power or Ring-Lust like his father and brother are because his pursuits are more meaningful and worthy of admiration.
He's a character who's meant to show the value of ideals, and values.

He's cool because he doesn't let himself fall into the trap that so many others of his kind have. He doesn't resent Aragorn as the rightful king of Gondor, he recognises Aragorn's right to rule, and sees him as a saviour rather than an interloper, and respects and honours him as such.

He's unique because unlike so many of his brethren he chooses the path less traveled.

[YayGollum]

Hm. I don't understand why so many people like the achingly perfect types more than the obviously more interesting types. Why admire a character from the book when you could enjoy a character who adds all kinds of flavor? I'm comparing the superly boring and way too mind-bogglingly popular Faramir person to Gollum the Hero. Maybe that's a little unfair. oh well. There are characters like Faramir in plenty of stories. I'm all for originality and I don't see much in this character. There are always characters that are achingly perfect. Full of morality and boring things like that. Ick. oh well. Yes, that other person was the Rhiannon person, I think. It happened a while ago.

[Wonko The Sane]

Look, Faramir isn't popular, that's the point.
He is who he is despite the fact that it makes him unpopular.

And Yay, you can't compare every character to Gollum...Gollum can't be compared that way...the other people will never measure up!

You should just learn to accept that not all characters are as cool as, or cool in the same ways, that Gollum is and accept them and like them for who they are. :)

[YayGollum]

How is Faramir not popular? Twenty-seven thousand already like this character. I shall now compare him to the evil hp and vampires. It makes no sense that these things are popular, but since they are, I will have nothing to do with them. Maybe you were just talking about his popularity with other characters in the books. That doesn't really matter to me.

[Wonko The Sane]

Yay...sometimes it's ok to like things that other people like.
Think about how many people like Gollum!
More than like Faramir let me tell you.
There's 3 Gollum fan clubs on the internet for every Faramir one.
And yet you still like Gollum....

Just don't be so dismissive...it can close a lot of doors for you...and sometimes you'll miss out on things you may later wish you hadn't.

[YayGollum]

Hmph. I liked Gollum before he got to be more popular than Faramir, if that's true. I was being original. Most book fans just think that Gollum is some weird and creepy and despicable little thing. just like they love Faramir for being achingly and sickeningly and boringly perfect. It's just natural. Anyways, yes, I'm sure that I'll miss out on all kinds of achingly important things just because I'm not a fan of Faramir. :rolleyes: Why not dismiss things that are mind-bogglingly popular?

[Wonko The Sane]

For the same reason that you shouldn't dismiss things that AREN'T achingly mind-bogglingly popular.

[YayGollum]

Because you get to say that you're original for having anything to do with them? Hm. I don't see how that idea could be tossed at both subjects. :rolleyes:

[Dragon]

~*sigh*~

u 2 r going 2 kill eachother some day.

I think that as long as ur not liking it because it's popular, it's fine.

(but then, who cares what Ithink?):rolleyes:

[Wonko The Sane]

Look...it's stupid to dislike things that aren't popular JUST BECAUSE they aren't popular...just like it's stupid to like things because they ARE...

THAT'S what I meant when I said that you shouldn't dismiss things that are popular, for the same reasons you shouldn't dismiss things that aren't.

And I'm pretty sure you understood that.

Unless you really DO like unpopular things JUST so you can say you are original...

In which case you're LESS original than people like me and Rhia and D over there who like things because we LIKE them...and not because we want to appear in a certain way to others.

[YayGollum]

Oh, yes, this has all kinds of things to do with this discussion. :rolleyes: oh well. Yes, I understood what you were talking about. I was just being evil.