Peter Jackson's TTT... worse than the first one!

[Camille]

I went to see TTT yesterday it was a deception oh my God!! it is incredible how that PJ mess up that beautiful work!!! it was awfull from the begining to the end! that movie sucks!! really sucks!!! I would say it is the worst movie of the year!!.
He ruin my favorite scene, Faramir giving up the ring!! ahghh!!!! it is impossible to describe the deception!!! what a --<Removed by Beorn>--....!.

[Odo Proudfoot]

Why don't you tell us how you really feel?

fG

[Marenautha]

Oh my goodness! I didn't think I'd hear(or read) anyone saying that!

I thought it was supposed to be better than the first movie.

Was it actually a poor movie or was it just off from the book and what did you think of the first one?

[aragil]

¿Tantas lagrimas? ¿Esta pelicula fue tan mala?
I think a lot of people are missing the forest for the trees with Faramir. The bottom line is he refused the Ring the moment he understood it's true nature- something Boromir was never able to grasp. PJ has put Faramir in a much more urgent setting in the movies- he captures F & S during the attack on the Haradrim rather than before, and this cuts out the chance for significant dialogue prior to the arrival at Emyn Arnen. As a result, Faramir never gets the sense that he can trust Frodo and Sam, and he never has an opportunity to learn the nature of F & S's quest. In Osgiliath, the moment he learns the true nature of the Ring (both from Sam's speech and from observing Frodo's near posession by the Ring), he let's it go. This is a brave decision- probably braver than in the books. His men now know what he has given up, and to what extent he has disobeyed his father's orders. The more I talk about it, the more I like it.
Which is not to say I wouldn't have done things a little different my own self. First off, I loved Sean Bean's acting as Boromir, and I thought it would have been great to have some flashbacks to his attempt to take the Ring from Frodo. In fact, the books even describe a flashback- "Vividly before Frodo's mind came the memory of Boromir's assalut upon him, and for a moment he hesitated." Showing this would have made it easier to contrast Boromir and Faramir, IMO. Also I think the scene where Faramir sees Boromir float by in the boat would have been great- really establish the love that the two had for one another. And of course I'm not too fond of the bit where Faramir had his sword under the ring and pointing at Frodo's chest- perhaps a bit overdone, perhaps a good demonstration of the power of the Ring, I can't decide.

[Aldanil]

perhaps rather I'd say
oldest forum-friend aragil
your heart has already told you
but you soon may talk yourself
into thinking otherwise
such is the power of persuasion
in retrospect

or so I deem
dear royalstar

[Gandalf White]

I didn't really like it at first, but the more I thought about it, the better it got. I've been trying to teach myself to separate the books from the movie. It's hard, but it makes the movies sooooo much better. Can't wait to see it again!!!!!!!!



BTW Get over it Camille! ;)

[markrob]

Put a sock in it Camille, and do us all a favor and quite being a Tolkien fan if you even are one to begin with. You obviously havent seen any movies if think this one is the worst one of the year.

[Camille]

Oh Dear that is my opinion!! for me it was a very poor movie, the special efects good great but the story very bad!! I am sorry if I am so purist but I prefer to read a good book than an imitation of it. (and a bad one) it was a deception.
Greetings
:)

[Nóm]

Put a sock in it? Why should she?... You can't handle an opinion that you strongly disagree with? I'm sincerely puzzled here.
As far as her being a Tolkien fan, I've read quite a few excellent posts by Camille in The Silmarillion section of the forum.. which is more than I can say for some.
Now, that isn't to say that if you don't post there you are not a fan but well some crazy mind might twist it into that, just as some minds twist dislike of the movie into it.

[Gandalf White]

Oh Dear that is my opinion!! for me it was a very poor movie, the special efects good great but the story very bad!!
That's only if you look at the movie after reading the books, and expect them to be alike. If you've never read any LotR books, it's a great story line. I really liked it, and I've read the books 6 times.


Now, that isn't to say that if you don't post there you are not a fan but well some crazy mind might twist it into that, just as some minds twist dislike of the movie into it.

If you think hard about it, you'll eventually come up with what Nom means, although it may because I am very tired right now! ;)

[aragil]

I think she knows half of us half as well as she'd like, and she likes less than half of us half as well as we deserve.

[ssgrif]

ha ha ha, nice one Aragil, inject some humour into this emotional discussion!

I think Nom's right, the whole point of these forums is to discuss the books, the films and everything else surrounding the world that is Middle-Earth. Camille is entitled to her opinion.

I especially liked the reference that purists post to the Silmarillion Forum. A good way to identify those who know their JRRT stuff.

I myself dont class myself as a purist, however I have begun to read the Silmarillion (which I am thoroughly enjoying), and have posted a few comments in the aforementioned forum.

:D

Griff

[Gandalf White]

I didn't say Camille wasn't entititled to an opinion, I simply showed how it differed from mine.

I especially liked the reference that purists post to the Silmarillion Forum. A good way to identify those who know their JRRT stuff.
I take it that's referring to me. :mad:

[Nóm]

I was just standing up for someone who was told to put a sock in it.
I also figured I'd throw in something to counter the suggestion that she may not be a Tolkien fan, and point out how absurd it is to jump to that notion just because someone dislikes the movie.

That's playing dirty, to imply that a Tolkien fan may not be one.

ssgrif...
by ssgrif
I especially liked the reference that purists post to the Silmarillion Forum. A good way to identify those who know their JRRT stuff.
I think you mistake my point.
That is not what I said at all, nor it is what I ment. You can not measure someone's knowledge of Tolkien by were they post. Heck, you couldn't even fairly measure someone's love for the books based on were they post.
To do so is as absurd as measuring someone's level of Tolkien fandom by their opinion of PJ's movie.

By aragil
I think she knows half of us half as well as she'd like, and she likes less than half of us half as well as we deserve.
:D
Could be...

[Gandalf White]

I totally agree with you Nom. However, Camille's post was rather, er, ummm...., argh why can I not think of a suitable word?!?!?!?!

I mean, come on, it was awfull from the begining to the end! that movie sucks!! really sucks!!! I would say it is the worst movie of the year!!.
It is taken way too far. I respect his opinion if he disagrees with the differences between the movie and books, but the worst movie of the year?!??!?!?!!? That's rather laughable.

[Nóm]

Yes, it is an extreme opinion that I strongly disagree with, but I also disagree with someone being told to put a sock in it for sharing the opinion.

[Kelonus]

I say TTT was good. Of course things were switched around, missing, and added but its still a great movie. Give PJ some credit he tackled TLOTR, and who else could of done it as good as it has been? Thats what I say. Worst movie of the year?! You have to be kidding! I mean, are you?

[aragil]

Originally posted by Gandalf White
It is taken way too far. I respect his opinion if he disagrees with the differences between the movie and books, but the worst movie of the year?!??!?!?!!? That's rather laughable. First of all, I think you respect HER opinion. Second of all, the post did seem to be a bit of a hyperbole, but it also seems to be a sort of knee-jerk reaction, and might not even represent her considered opinion on the matter. After all, she did say she liked PJ's first film...

[Gandalf White]

Oops, my apologies Camille. :)

[Gil-Galad]

Well,I haven't watched the movie yet.But.As I have seen there are added scenes with Arwen.I totally disagree with PJ's idea.It shows again how strong is commersialization in Holywood.A movie with a love story will be better product to sell.
However it has some interesting things.I saw some of them in the adds for the movie........
But let me watch it after two weeks an then I'll tell what I think.I just want to wish TTT to be better than FOTR:(

[aragil]

Before you speak out against it too much (GG), you might be interested to know that 90% of the 'added' Arwen stuff is coming straight fromt the appenices. 'Love interests' are only commercial if you think that Tolkien wrote a commercial book. And in any case, see it before you decry it.