Gil-Galad and his Spear in FOTR?

[WizardKing]

in the beggining battle was that gil galad and his famous spear in the last alliance battle? and did sauron kill him as well after he killed elendil?

[Nóm]

Yes, that was Gil-galad. he was killed in the battle, though I don't remember for sure if it says anywhere that Sauron himself did it.

[Anamatar IV]

In the books it says Sauron killed Gil Galad but Im not sure about in the movie.

[Nóm]

Originally posted by Anamatar IV
In the books it says Sauron killed Gil Galad but Im not sure about in the movie.
Where does say this? Not that I don't believe you but I am curious as I can't remember? Of Rings of Power and the Third age?
Edit: Okay I looked it up, it says they wrested with Sauron and were slain. So I assume that He died at the direct hand of Sauron.

Thanks.


Another Edit: I am guessing that he must have been killed by Saurons Mace in movie...

[Anamatar IV]

hehe...Sauron himself came forth; and wrestled with Gil-galad and Elendil, and they were both slain

and also I remember a quote (that I cant find)

"Gil-galad burned at the touch (or maybe torch) of Sauron"

[Kiroshar]

Gil Galad killed a fallen orc with his spear in the Prologue.

It was right before Sauron came forth and started his mace sweeps through the humans and elves.

[aragil]

WizardKing- look up Gil-Galad on the members list for this forum. His/her avatar is the Gil-Galad from the movies. In addition to the last alliance scene, you also see him with Galadriel and what must be Cirdan admiring their three Elven Rings.

The quote that Anamatar IV is referring to comes from The CoE (or less likely the Shadow of the Past) where Gandalf recites that last account of Isildur. Isildur refers to the Ring being hot and missing the heat of it's master, by which Gil-Galad was consumed.

Nóm- call me a freaky geek, but last week I watched the Prologue scene with Sauron whacking the Last Alliance members frame by frame. I was specifically looking for Gil-Galad- he wasn't there.
Interestingly enough, in the special features on the EE of FotR, you can see some of the rejected storyboards, including the original prologue which had Sauron grabbing Gil-Galad and incinerating him. I thought you in particular would be interested in this bit, as it mentions the Elves awakening under the stars in the far East, next to Cuivenen. Wait a minute, didn't you already comment on that bit?

[Nóm]

Yep... I commented on Cuivienen prolog.

I do remember something in the director's commentery were someone says that initially the prolog included Gil-galad and Aeglos being named... I don't remember what was said about his death though. I wonder why they decided against showing it. His identity is known in the movie, and we know he died fighting Sauron so it would have been a nice touch.


ps: aragil is a freaky geek :p

[PRH]

I just wish they would've shown Sauron grabbing Gil-Galad, because that would've made Sauron's later reach for Isildur make sense.

[aragil]

PRH- I agree that Sauron in the movie was probably trying to incinerate Isildur in the same way he had earlier incinerated Gil-Galad (in the original prologue). But I don't think it stops making sense when the incineration is removed- we can just think that Sauron is going to grab Isildur and squash him like a bug. The implied arrogance is quite appropriate here, IMO.

[Kiroshar]

Originally posted by PRH
I just wish they would've shown Sauron grabbing Gil-Galad, because that would've made Sauron's later reach for Isildur make sense.

I wonder if PJ had filmed that. If so, it could be added back in for the Ultimate Edition if that edition is ever produced.

Of course, PJ could bring the actor back in as a pick up with a few extras to finish the scene if they wanted as well. I am sure New Line would only allow this if an Ultimate Edition is approved.

[PRH]

Originally posted by aragil
But I don't think it stops making sense when the incineration is removed- we can just think that Sauron is going to grab Isildur and squash him like a bug. The implied arrogance is quite appropriate here, IMO.
Arrogance yet ignorance. It doesn't make sense either way. Gil-Galad incineration aside, Isildur is still holding Narsil's hilt with about a foot of blade. Anyone is certain to use this partial weapon in a cornered attempt to defend himself. Did Sauron believe his hand was impervious to the edge of this blade? It looked cool but made little sense.

[aragil]

The same argument says Sauron should have posted guards at Orodruin. Sauron just wasn't in tune with the little things- he assumed a cowed prince would be as easy to take care of as all the other warriors he had just been swiping around. Good thing he didn't learn from his mistakes.

[Gil-Galad]

There were some more scenes with Gil-Galad,Elendil and Elrond but they are not in EE.I think that after 10 years there will be special editions with absolutely full version of the three parts of the movie.Actually the first part was 5 hours in its full version with all scenes that were shooted.So we should wait,just 10 years:mad: :mad:

[Kiroshar]

Originally posted by Gil-Galad
There were some more scenes with Gil-Galad,Elendil and Elrond but they are not in EE. I think that after 10 years there will be special editions with absolutely full version of the three parts of the movie.Actually the first part was 5 hours in its full version with all scenes that were shooted.So we should wait, just 10 years:mad: :mad:

Well, ten years from release means only nine years for the FOTR Ultimate Edition!

I actually wonder if PJ will put this down and make another non-rings movie before puting out an Ultimate Edition, or if he will only have a chance to do it within a limited time frame because of New Line's access given to the films.

If it is the latter, it may be quite a while before any edition longer than the Special Extended Edition will be made if ever.

Thanks to our fine bought off Congress and impotent Supreme Court, New Line will have 95 (edited) years before the movies will become public domain.

The Founding Fathers would have given New Line only 28 years before we could have digitally edited the movie to our own liking.

[Talimon]

Thanks to our fine bought off Congress and impotent Supreme Court, New Line will have 105 years before the movies will become public domain.

I'm not sure about that. If I remember correctly it's 75 years. Then again, maybe they count from the time the book was written, not the from the time the film was released.

[FoolOfATook]

Sauron just wasn't in tune with the little things
For some reason, this conjured up in my mind the image of Sauron meeting with Mordor's middle management-
"Now, you're sure that the giant spider could never be neutralized by a Halfling gardener?"
"Yes my lord"
"And you made sure that the Orcs in Cirith Ungol can go twentyfour hours without slaughtering one another"
"At least twenty-four hours lord"
"OKay, because I have this big invasion of Gondor coming up, so I won't be able to pay attention to every detail here in Mordor- just keep an eye out for anything unusual."

[Kiroshar]

Originally posted by Talimon
I'm not sure about that. If I remember correctly it's 75 years. Then again, maybe they count from the time the book was written, not the from the time the film was released.

Naw, the Sonny Bono Act (The one that Disney purchased with campaign financing) added 20 years to the 75 years, so it is 95 years for the movie.

The Book is J.R.R. Tolkien's death plus 70 years.

I am not sure why I said 105. I was thinking about a case where an example was made about a guy who died at 35 having 105 total years of copyright, which is WAY BEYOND what the Founding Fathers intended.

[lightingstrike]

Does the movie ever mention Galadriel's ring. Or, did she not have it at that time. If, so what happened to it. And, what happened to Gil-Galad's ring?

[FoolOfATook]

I know that the EE shows Galadriel's Ring, but I can't remember if the regular version does. You can also see Galadriel with her Ring in the prologue.

Gil-galad gave his ring to Elrond.

[lightingstrike]

Yes, Aragil, that was Cirdan with Gil-Galad and Galadriel in the proloue as I recall.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by FoolOfATook
I know that the EE shows Galadriel's Ring, but I can't remember if the regular version does.
The regular version does not show Galadriel's ring.The EE version shows it and even Galadriel says a few word about it.