ROTK: Saruman won't die. [Archive]

Darth Saruman

01-03-2003, 03:19 AM

Nope.

He'll repent (he'll pull a Darth Vader) and leave Middle-Earth with Grima and Gandalf and co.

It'll be a happy ending.

Mormegil

01-03-2003, 03:23 AM

Yeah I can just see it now, in a star wars esque scene.

Saruman picks up the eye of sauron and thows him into the fires of Mount Doom.

Talimon

01-03-2003, 05:44 AM

Originally posted by Darth Saruman
Nope.

He'll repent (he'll pull a Darth Vader) and leave Middle-Earth with Grima and Gandalf and co.

It'll be a happy ending.

Right.... ;)

Mablung

01-03-2003, 06:05 AM

Even if that does happen theres no way Grima will go on the ships anyway I think he will just die at Isengard.

Aulë

01-03-2003, 07:30 AM

Now I know that PJ loves changing things from the book, but not even he could go that far...

LordOfMoria

01-12-2003, 09:07 PM

From pictures that i have seen. Saruman falls from somewhere onto a big spike. My magination says that grima throws him over the balcony of Orthanc and then saruman lands on the spike but i cant see where.

PRH

01-12-2003, 09:17 PM

say...aren't all the spikey wheels crushed or washed away by the Ents now? Must look closely for one still standing just at the foot of Orthanc...

LordOfMoria

01-12-2003, 09:21 PM

Thats exactly what i was thinking but i sure one will just end up in there.

ssgrif

01-13-2003, 03:32 PM

I wreckon Saruman will repent and be humbled. I can just see it now, Sam Frodo, Gandalf and his trusty new underling Saruman the Grey.

Possibly even tied up with that nice shiny elven rope Sams got (seeing as they didnt lose it in the film like they did in the book).

tee hee

LordOfMoria

01-14-2003, 02:28 AM

Highly Highly unlikely. I think Peter Jackson made a good decision by illing saruman as u can see in some post, they have pictures of him on a spike. But i wish he would of done it like the book the scouring of the Shire. I always liked that part where the little hobbit are at war with Saruman

Ol'gaffer

01-16-2003, 02:57 PM

There are pictures of Sarumans death at the TTT discussion forum.

ssgrif

01-17-2003, 01:26 PM

Where to?

I hope that the pics of Sarumans death on the spikes arent actually true. seems a bit daft...

azeya

01-25-2003, 07:55 AM

but..i thought saruman and wormtongue are going to die

Chymaera

01-28-2003, 12:59 AM

I just saw this at IMDb.com

Trivia for
Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King,
The (2003)

There are reportedly five different death scenes filmed for the character of Saruman.
Christopher Lee has said that he had no idea which one would be used in the final cut.

aragornlover

01-28-2003, 03:01 PM

:D :D :D Of course saruman dies - wormtongue murders him and the hobbits murder grima

aragornlover

01-28-2003, 03:01 PM

:D :D :D Of course saruman dies - wormtongue murders him and the hobbits murder grima

FoolOfATook

01-28-2003, 03:04 PM

Well, yes, that is how Saruman meets his end in the book, but since PJ isn't doing the Scouring of the Shire, that particular end for the master of Isengard won't work in the film.
By the way, welcome to the forum.

LordOfMoria

01-29-2003, 12:27 AM

Everyone is saying the Scourging of the Shire wont be in the movie. How do you exactly know this??? Maybe PJ is just saying it then when it happens people will be surprised..

Lúthien Séregon

01-30-2003, 10:41 PM

A lot of sources say that it will be cut...there just seems too much to put into RotK as well as the Scouring of the Shire, even if the film will be 3.5 hours long. Plus, apparently there was a picture somewhere ( it might have been in the making of the LotR trilogy book ) of Grima holding a knife as if he's about to kill Saruman, when they are at Orthanc...:confused: Who knows? I'm happy to wait until this December to find out...just hope it's not something too far away from the book, like the whole spike thing.

LordOfMoria

01-30-2003, 10:47 PM

But didnt PJ film 5 different endings? so how could u know that was it?????

Lúthien Séregon

01-30-2003, 10:58 PM

I don't, lol.:D I'm curious to know what the other endings were though, apart from the spike and Grima at Orthanc.

lossenandunewen

01-31-2003, 05:26 PM

umm... keep thinking that lol... i have a picture to prove otherwise.. well i saw one.. i don't think i kept it.. but it will be different from the book... and wormtounge does kill him... but the shire doesn't get scoured.

hmm... come to read the posts,, maybe PJ is trying to make it a surprise.. but yea, i saw the pic of the impaling lol

FoolOfATook

01-31-2003, 05:30 PM

I've always been of the opinion that the impaling picture was a rather clever film history joke that PJ was playing. ;)

lossenandunewen

01-31-2003, 05:58 PM

maybe so but i wouldn't be surprised if it was what happened and the whole palantir business was scraped

LordOfMoria

01-31-2003, 11:53 PM

What ever happened to the palantir after gandalf took it???

azeya

02-01-2003, 05:05 AM

now thats more like it...bad guys should really die

lossenandunewen

02-01-2003, 05:35 PM

pip or merry looked in it, almost died or whatever, then he gave it to aragorn

Ithilin

02-01-2003, 05:51 PM

from what I heard Grima is going to be killed by Eowyn (for revenge or something..) and Gandalf will kill Saruman somehow..
(great substitute for the Scouring:rolleyes: )
anyway, we cant know for sure until we see the movie, and you shouldnt believe all the rumours you hear on the Web..alot of them about FotR were'nt true..

i still hope PJ doesnt mess the ending up too much..(he's very good at that)

LordOfMoria

02-01-2003, 07:56 PM

Originally posted by lossenandunewen
pip or merry looked in it, almost died or whatever, then he gave it to aragorn

Well yeah i know that but after the war of the ring! What happened to it

???

02-02-2003, 05:37 AM

Of course Saruman dies!!! But in the movie he dies by falling into spikes.:confused:

Ecthelion

02-02-2003, 05:46 AM

If Saruman dies at Isengard what about Scouring the Shire? Thats an awesome chapter, he better not die at Isengard.

Mithlond

02-02-2003, 07:08 AM

This has already been established a million times (or more most likely), but let me run it by you again: THE SCOURING OF THE SHIRE IS NOT IN THE FILM.

balrog

02-02-2003, 08:46 AM

Originally posted by Ecthelion
If Saruman dies at Isengard what about Scouring the Shire? Thats an awesome chapter, he better not die at Isengard.

i so agree! my heart skiped beats as i was reading rotk to find that saruman and wormtongue were in the shire...i thought that he would...or was going to kill frodo!

that would not have made for a very happy ending eh?

FoolOfATook

02-02-2003, 05:22 PM

i so agree! my heart skiped beats as i was reading rotk to find that saruman and wormtongue were in the shire...i thought that he would...or was going to kill frodo!

In the original ending to Kevin Smith's film Clerks, the main character, Dante, is shot during a hold-up. Most critics agree that the film would never have caught on with such an out-of-tone and depressing ending. With this in mind, I'll just say how glad I am that the ending you feared for LOTR never came to pass. ;)

Frodogirl57

02-08-2003, 01:43 AM

Saruman has to die!!! That was one of the coolest parts in the book. And besides grima gets killed by hobbit - archers.

lightingstrike

02-08-2003, 04:27 AM

Pj would not dare to do such an idiotic thing like that now would he. No, we all know that he love following the books line for line and doing exactly as Tolkien did;)

LordOfMoria

02-08-2003, 04:32 AM

AS I said bfore, you can not follow the book line by line. somethings would not have done good in the movie as it did in the book. and what about tom bombidile, he was just a rock in the road and had to go around it to keep going on with the story!!

FoolOfATook

02-08-2003, 04:45 AM

and what about tom bombidile, he was just a rock in the road and had to go around it to keep going on with the story!!

Yeah, that Tolkien guy had no idea about how to tell a good story!
:rolleyes: ;)

LordOfMoria

02-08-2003, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by FoolOfATook
Yeah, that Tolkien guy had no idea about how to tell a good story!
:rolleyes: ;)

HAHAHAHA, that made me laugh FoolOfATook. He was the best author. He did no how to tell a good story! BUt what i ment was Tom just slowed the story down. BUt i still liked those parts!

FoolOfATook

02-09-2003, 12:59 AM

I actually agree with what you're saying, LordofMoria, I just disagree with the way you said them. I don't believe that Bombadil would have worked on film. I'll even accept the idea that Bombadil slows down the action, and doesn't work as well as most of the other supporting characters of Middle-earth. However, from a structural/narrative perspective, I feel like I can make a very strong case for how important Bombadil is to LOTR, and that he's not merely "a rock in the road" for the story's progression.

Jesse

02-09-2003, 02:53 PM

You all are wrong! Sauron's eye goes out once the Ring is casted into the fires of mount doom. The Ringwraiths evaporate for they were held captive by the One Ring of Power's magic. Then Gandalf the White comes to Sauruman's Tower and deals with Sauruman. Sauruman is expelled from the Order and leaves Middle Earth completely. For all his magic has been taken away by Gandalf the White. I know all this because my mom has read the series over 20 times and knows it top 2 bottom.

redline2200

02-09-2003, 07:54 PM

This may have already been posted but here is the pic of them shooting Saruman on the spike

LordOfMoria

02-09-2003, 09:12 PM

Jesse, this is the movie forum and we were discussing what we tought might happen in LOTR: ROTK when it ended!

Jesse

02-10-2003, 01:05 PM

Ooops, am I bad. Hehehe, a thousand apologies LordofMoria....

mr underhill

02-11-2003, 09:25 PM

saruman wasnt expelled in the books he was murdered in the shire...

Morgoth

02-23-2003, 12:00 PM

If it doesn't end the way it does in the book, I will be most displeased. Peter Jackson has already edited out too much Tolkien stuff (Tom Bombadil) and added new stuff. It should end just as the book did, with Sam saying 'Well, I'm back'

Morgoth

02-23-2003, 12:02 PM

This is my 58th post, but it only says 55. How odd.

Goldberry

03-05-2003, 03:15 PM

Originally posted by LordOfMoria
Well yeah i know that but after the war of the ring! What happened to it

After the war of the ring, Aragorn, the rightful owner, kept the palantir of Orthanc. When he parted from the hobbits, he sort of told them he'd keep an eye on them through the stone.

Goldberry

03-05-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Ithilin
from what I heard Grima is going to be killed by Eowyn (for revenge or something..) and Gandalf will kill Saruman somehow..
(great substitute for the Scouring:rolleyes: )
anyway, we cant know for sure until we see the movie, and you shouldnt believe all the rumours you hear on the Web..alot of them about FotR were'nt true..

i still hope PJ doesnt mess the ending up too much..(he's very good at that)

I really wonder how Grima will die. Eowyn killing him would be justice. But Gandalf killing Saruman would not feel right. After all, once Saruman was Gandalf's comrade, and the head of his order. In the books, Gandalf always shows mercy.

Elendil01

03-15-2003, 04:28 AM

I think Grima will kill Saruman at Orthanc. Because I saw a picture of Grima on the floor of Orthanc with a knife in his hand and Saruman was looking in the opposite direction.