Isal Celebalda
01-05-2003, 04:24 PM
I've been pondering this for a while, and I haven't decided on my opinion but here is my question to you all... Did Tolkien mean for the Ilúvatar to know everything that will ever happen in Arda, thus meaning that its destiny was fixed from the beginning? Or did he wish for Eru to be characterised such that he would continually be changing the destiny and the future of the world?
In the Quenta Silmarilion, the Mandos is described as such:
...he knows all things that shall be, save only those that lie still in the freedom of Ilúvatar.
So perhaps this suggests that the destiny is not fixed. However, we can examine it again, focusing on a certain word and our views may change:
...he knows all things that shall be, save only those that lie still in the freedom of Ilúvatar...
It suggests to me that perhaps there will come a day when the destiny will not be in the hands of Ilúvatar... but does that mean the future was originally open to the changes of Eru yet after a set time the future became fixed? Or does it mean it will always be open to the change or Eru right up to the end of time?
I'd like to think I've started a philosophical topic now, so get your beliefs and opinions rolling in.
In the Quenta Silmarilion, the Mandos is described as such:
...he knows all things that shall be, save only those that lie still in the freedom of Ilúvatar.
So perhaps this suggests that the destiny is not fixed. However, we can examine it again, focusing on a certain word and our views may change:
...he knows all things that shall be, save only those that lie still in the freedom of Ilúvatar...
It suggests to me that perhaps there will come a day when the destiny will not be in the hands of Ilúvatar... but does that mean the future was originally open to the changes of Eru yet after a set time the future became fixed? Or does it mean it will always be open to the change or Eru right up to the end of time?
I'd like to think I've started a philosophical topic now, so get your beliefs and opinions rolling in.