Learning Quenya

[Isal Celebalda]

I am interested in learning Quenya, and I wondered if anyone here speaks it. If anyone does, would they be able to tell me where they learnt it or maybe even give me a hand? Thanks very much!

[Calimehtar]

I am learning it. I went to www.Ardalambion.com There are some VERY good courses made there. Thats where I am learning it. The Guild of Tolkienology is learning it with that course and I have been working on it there. Maybe we could start that here!

Ardalmabion (http://www.ardalambion.com)

I am going to ask Glorf. about having us start a course here. But first let's see how many people would want to learn. So, if you want to learn Quenya, sign up here.

I sardi andor tultea i vanyar lie.
The stone gates are guarding the fair people.

[Eöl]

I would love to learn! Count me in!

[Isal Celebalda]

Naturally, I'm in. I already know how to say useful phrases such as "May Balrogs eat you" "Get a life" "Hello" "I am an Elf" "I love you" and "Elves invented the art of love"!

[Calimehtar]

Yeah, I know a little bit. Abour 50-60 words and I know how to make the plurals and I know the rules on writing a sentence correctly. Like you have to have your verbs agree with the subject whether it's plural or singular. Anyways, I'll try to get this thing going. But let's see if more people join.

[Isal Celebalda]

OK! Can't wait!

[Phenix]

I would love to learn quenya...

[Anamatar IV]

I have said it before and I will say it again-it is not a good idea to start a Quenya course as it is already being done by the Guild of Tolkienology.

[Phenix]

so what your saying si that just becouse they've already done it we can't. I just find that ridiculus and stupid ( no offence) whats' so wrong with two guilds that knows how to speak ( or write) quenya

[Isal Celebalda]

I agree, Phenix. Just because they have, why can't we? We have a lot of interested members!

[Anamatar IV]

Well that guild allows outside participants in the Quenya course...meaning even if you are not in the guild you can join its Quenya course.

A question-how would you teach Quenya. Tell me who would teach what it would teach and the such.

[Isal Celebalda]

Well from what I have heard, the course has already progressed a long way and I would be disadvantaged. As for your question, seeing as Calimehtar had been discussing starting a course I assumed he would be teaching it.

[Anamatar IV]

Yes they have progressed BUT the threads are still there and you can read them. You answered the question of who would teach it...what would yout teach? the same thing the guild of tolkienology is teaching? Or would you just go down word by word? Are you even ready to both teach and learn Quenya?

Answer me these, please.:)

[Isal Celebalda]

Well about the teaching, I have no idea, I'm afraid. I don't acutally know, seeing as I was originally going to teach myself but I thought I'd enquire here. At that point the others took over! :) But as for learning, I am indeed ready. And I'm ready to teach myself, if not here!

[Calimehtar]

Yes, the Guild of Tolkienology is a few lessons ahead. And Anamatar, this was just a suggestion and if a lot of us want to learn Quenya, why not learn in our own Guild. As for me teaching, I was thinking of posting a summary once a week and after the summary of the lesson is posted, people will read the full lesson or atleast the sum. and then work on the excercises and post your questions. If we did this, I suggest we either post the summary on Mondays or Fridays.

And I do see your point... that we'd be posting more or less, the same thing The Guild of Tolk. is but it would be hard to catch up with them. At the least we could have a thread here so we could speak it, but just study off the lessons that The Guild of Tolk. is posting in their forum.

[Eöl]

And also, they are very far ahead of us. I think they are on lesson 4 and I know that the first lesson thread is gone, because I am a member of that guild! So in other words, we would have to read 4 lessons, one which isn't there, in order to catch up.

[Nefmariel]

I myself teach but it seems like you all have it under control, I wanted to learn the course but I can't

[Maeglin]

Isal you know how to say "May Balrogs Eat You", ha ha thats great, could you tell me how to say it, but thats all I want to learn for now.

[Calimehtar]

I myself teach but it seems like you all have it under control, I wanted to learn the course but I can't

What do you mean? You can't learn it?


And, it's up to all of you whether or not we start learning here and also, we need to have enough people to do it. And I am sure people will drop out. It's down to 4 in the Guild of Tolk. and it started with probably 10-15.

[Nefmariel]

well I share a comp with my mom and I can't download the thing, I want to though. but I am TRYING to learn it by myself.

[Calimehtar]

ooooohhhh.... too bad. Are you looking on with the Tolkienology Guild? They can answer any questions you have.

[Eöl]

I think Calimehtar has made a good point by saying that people have dropped out of this course, and that is in a guild devoted to very serious pursuits! So if you are going to try and start this course I hope we can all finish together, but I don't know if that is a realistic goal. Those lessons are looong. I started number one but couldn't get through it. Calimehtar, you are the teacher right? What I was thinking is that we could have two sets of exercises, the one from the course and another, quiz-like vocabulary test. I think that would help make sure we all knew all the vocab before we moved on. I would be willing to help, if you need it. And another bonus is that I have notes on section one of lesson one. You can use those for your first summary if you want to.

[Nefmariel]

I may but I may be able to download it how excatly does it work?

[Lossengondiel]

count me in! please pm me with more info!

[Calimehtar]

Celebrien, actually you are ahead of me in a way, in the Guild of Tolk. we skipped Lesson One and were going to come to it as the last lesson. I have read and studied Lesson 2,3,4,5, and 6. Lesson One IS LLLOONNNGGG the others aren't even 1/2 that long... if even a 1/3 or 1/4. Did you read the entire thing in one sitting?! I would have never been able to do that! haha.

Anyways, so, you have totally ruled out the Look on with Guild of Tolk? If so, with permission of Glorf. we can start lessons soon. And it's up to you all if we skip Lesson One. (For those of you that haven't looked at the lessons, Lesson One of Course A is on pronunciation.)

And Celebrien, yeah I was going to have more than just the excercises they provided. We would have about 6 different excercises of 10 questions each. And we would each answer a few on the thread.

Nefmariel, I could send you a summary of the lesson through e-mail, that way you dont have to download it, just read it and delete after we are done with that lesson. But here is how you download them:

1) Go to www.ardalambion.com
2) Scroll down a little til you see a list of languages and you see Quenya out to the side of that, there should be a link that says Courses. Click it.
3) Then, there will be an article, scroll down just a little and you will see a link to download "Introduction" and then below it will be a link to download "Lessons 1-5" click "Lessons 1-5".
So, Nef. let me know if you can download it or if I need to send you a summary every week. (Or if you are even in.)

So, here's who are DEFINATELY in if we do it:?
1) Calimehtar (ME!)
2) Celebrien
3) Lossengondiel
4) Nefmariel (?)

[Nefmariel]

send me if please and I'm in.

[Isal Celebalda]

I am DEFINATELY in if we do it.

[Eöl]

Yea lesson one is very long...I think about 35 pages in 12 font. I'm not sure if we should still cover it because even with all of Tolkien that I have read I still do not know Quenya pronunciation well at all. So it's up to you, as you are the teacher but i still think its important.

[Ruveriel]

Hi i am fairly new here and i want to learn how to speak elvish. (if thats possible.) do i have to buy some sort of book, or go to a web site? i would like to learn the language that Legolas speaks in the movie. (by the way out of all of the elves do they speak more than 1 Elvish language on the movies? well thanx for your time!!!

[Maeglin]

There are 2 forms of Elvish, Quenya and Sindarin (the one that Legolas speaks). I do not think that there is a book anywhere that explains how to speak Elvish, but I believe the Guild of Tolkienology is teaching people how to speak Elvish because apparently some people have learned it, but unfortunately I don't think its the kind that Legolas speaks, but you can check, sorry if this wasn't much help.:(

[Ruveriel]

Thank you believe it or not u were much of a help!!!! thanx for telling me where i could learn it thou!!!!

[Eirien]

Theres a book called the language of tolkien's middle Earth and it has the complete grammar and alphabet of the Elvish language.....it also has a complete glossary of English to Elvish ...just thought i should tell u...

[elvish-queen]

Please, count me in!!!
We could always learn from the guild of tolkienology, but it's so much easier when you can participate in the lessons.

If possible (with our very different times!) it would be great if we could organise a time when we would all be on here, then we can discuss what we have learnt. Then any queries anyone may have could be answered. How long does everyone think we would need per lesson? A week?
Calimehtar, I hope you're sure you don't mind teaching....!
;)

Yay! This is SO AWSUM:D !

[elvish-queen]

Liv, you should definately go to http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/

It also looks like we may start a course in the Guild of Elves... look in 'learning Quenya' or something, if you haven't already.

:p Isilwen

[Anamatar IV]

I will be asking a moderator to merge this thread with the longer thread on this topic. :)

[Calimehtar]

What thread is that? The Learning Quenya thread?

[Calimehtar]

As for me being the teacher, like posting the summary and making the excercises, I might have to ask someone else to do it sometimes, because I will still be taking part in the Guild of Tolkienology Quenya Course, and sometimes I will have to make a summary and stuff for their Lesson.

-Calimehtar

[elvish-queen]

I can't promise that I'll be able to, but I'll try to help you Calimehtar if you need it. Not that I've done anything but the first lesson, but I guess I could do a summary once in a while. Besides, it would help me learn.
Calimehtar, I think you are very generous. thanx!:p

[Fading Evenstar]

I'm attempting to learn it... it's difficult, but sheer brilliance :) It sounds beautiful when spoken.. I read movie lines all the time, lol :)

I am definitely in to learn it :) I shall somehow find the time... :)
Then I can go to school and talk in Elvish to.. myself and nobody would know what I was saying... lol. Yes, I'm semi weird, I know.

I'm definitely gonna learn it!! If god is my witness and whatnot... I will :cool:

[Maeglin]

Yes, its the Learning Quenya Thread.

[Marenautha]

Seems like Glorfindel is the one that's got all the answers! I'll have to check that stuff out too! Sounds awsome!

[Phenix]

I'm in to this, okay...

[Nefmariel]

yes yes so when do we start or have we? I haven't been on here for a while.

[Calimehtar]

We can start whenever all of you are ready... Are we going to use this thread for all the lessons or are we going to open a new thread for the lessons....

[Isal Celebalda]

Ask Glorf if we can start a new thread, this one's too congested.

[elvish-queen]

I'm ready when you are! I'm so happy this is going to happen.
BTW, please post dates and times that we'll discuss (in GMT or something so I can work out from South African time) so I can be there!
Thanks!

[Maeglin]

You may start a new thread if you like, just keep the same one for each lesson though, don't make a new one every time a lesson ends, and as soon as you make the new thread I will have this one deleted.

[Calimehtar]

OK, before I start the new thread lets get ALL details finished right now in this thread. I want to have the other thread as organized as possible.

Details:
[list=1]
One Lesson Per Week
Lesson Summary Posted Every Monday
Are we skipping Lesson 1: Pronunciation?
[/list=1]
Is there anything else? And who can do summaries when I can't or will be happy to do summaries just anytime, (so I don't have to do it every time.) It doesnt matter though if I do it.

[Maeglin]

Calimehtar I don't think you need to go over pronunciation at all, especially since most of the time people will be writing it down here and not saying it out loud to others.;)

[Calimehtar]

Yes, that was my opinion, also. I just wanted to see what the others thought. I know some wanted to read that lesson. Anyways, if none of you mind, I'd like to skip it til later.

(Personally, I'd like to finish the course by Summer and I think we will be able to finish it by then. So, if its OK with all of you, lets let that be our last lesson. Because here all we will do is write it but if any of you have AOL or Yahoo, we can talk there. And I have a microphone for my computer, so I could actually TALK to you. 20 lessons, 1 lesson per week... how many weeks til summer? (By summer, I mean get out of school.) We have 17 or 18 weeks of school left.

By the way, Glorf. How did you get a link in your signature. I'd like one in mine, but couldn't figure out how. I don't know the "code" for it or whatever.

[Maeglin]

Ohh that, well its kind of complicated, but I'll explain as best I can. What you have to do is go to Post Reply (it doesn't matter what the thread is), and you know how to put hyperlinks into your posts right? (if you don't PM and I'll tell you how) So what you do is enter the text for your hyperlink and then the address or ubl code or whatever its called and it shows up on your post. Then all you have to do is copy and paste it into your sig and hit submit modifications at the bottom of your Edit Profile screen, it will then show up on in your signature on your posts. PM me if you have any questions about it.;)

Oh yeah and when your on the post reply screen doing that don't post the reply, just close the screen.

[Lossengondiel]

I'm ready when you are

[Maeglin]

Lossengondiel I must discourage your location! lol jk.:D

[Lossengondiel]

what? locations as in my profile? ...oh, that :) well, but seriously! this really hot guy is in my gym class...so I didn't make all of it up!

[Calimehtar]

haha, anyways... I guess I'll post the LESSON TWO! (yay!) thread Friday(?) So go ahead and read Lesson 2 of the course.

Thanks,
Calimehtar

[*Lady Arwen*]

Can I still join, I haven't posted for the past few days so I didn't even see the "Learning Quenya" thread.

[elvish-queen]

Yay Calimehtar!
As I say, I'll try to help but I'm not sure since life has just become a lot more hectic. Tell me when you can't do and I'll try my best, or is there anyone else that'll do it that perhaps knows more Quenya than me??

Hehe, Lossengondiel.... good one.;)

[Eöl]

lol, Lossengondiel....Yes, even though I posted that if you join this course you should try your best to finish it, I myself may have trouble with that because finals are next week! But, I have Monday and Friday off so it actually shouldn't be too bad.

[Isal Celebalda]

Can't wait to start...

[Calimehtar]

Lady Arwen, YES! Everyone can join! In fact, the MORE THE BETTER!

[*Lady Arwen*]

Did I miss anything, before I posted.

[Eöl]

Nope! The only thing you might have missed is the internet address for the course. It's
www.ardalambion.com (http://www.ardalambion.com)
if you scroll down then you should find the Quenya Course. Thanks for joining! The first lesson is this Friday.

[Marenautha]

I would be interested in joining and I think that know a few others that would too.

[Calimehtar]

That is good news! Tell them about it. Our first lesson will be posted Friday. And to make sure everyone knows I'll repeat:

We begin with LESSON 2 of the course. NOT LESSON 1

[Eirien]

Hi i was just wondering if ur starting with lesson 2 then was there already a lesson 1: pronunciation... somewhere else?????if there is...where is it?

[Calimehtar]

We are skipping Lesson I: Pronunciation until later. It is in the course we are using but not on The Tolkien Forum anywhere.
Does that answer your question? (I didn't fully understand it.)

[Eöl]

I think Eirien meant have we already covered Lesson One...Or is there another place where it has been covered. The reason we are saving Lesson One until the end is
a.It's looong...about 35 pages in 12 font.
b.There wont really be a need to use pronunciation if we're using it in posts. Obviously I don't think you will find many people who speak Quenya outside of this or other Tolkien sites.;)

[Marenautha]

Do we need to do anything to get into this course? Or do we just go to that web site that you gave us earlier and click on the Quenya course?

[Calimehtar]

Just go to the site and get the course

[*Lady Arwen*]

Yay! Lessons start today! And I'm the first to arrive!

[elvish-queen]

Yay! I'm actually here before most! (this is a once in a lifetime occurence)
You know, I almost totally forgot today was friday!:rolleyes:

[Marenautha]

Cool. Got the stuff downloaded and I'm sharing it with my sisters if that's alright.

[Lossengondiel]

I got a problem here...

I'm not allowed to download stuff onto my computer. Someone please pm me if you can email me the lessons so I can still participate!

Thanks for your help!

[Calimehtar]

Yeah, I forgot today was Friday too! Give me a second to find my notes on this lesson and I will post the summary with a new thread, that thread will then be the thread for every lesson.

[Marenautha]

Hey, Loss- Can you not even save it to a disk? I did mine at the college and they won't let you download unless it's to a disk.

[Lossengondiel]

hmm...probably not. me mum and dad dont even know I belong to this forum, and they probably wouldnt let me download anything anyway...i want to participate, but I dont know how!

[*Lady Arwen*]

Umm... when is the next quenya lesson? I, um forgot.

[Angoreth]

I would realy like to learn quenya, I have been for a long time. so can I join you all please?:)

[Marenautha]

Loss-I'll do what I can to help ya, if I can help ya.
Let me know what you need.

[Lossengondiel]

can u send (email) me the lessons so I can still participate? thx so much for ur help. i'm pm ya my email :)

[Calimehtar]

Well, the last lesson didnt work... at all. Or atleast, post-wise it didnt work. And it's my fault, because I didnt have but two excercises and all. Its up to all of you on what we do next. (continue or...)

-Calimehtar

[Eöl]

Well I am having an extremely hard time finding the time even to do those two exercises, although I should be finished by this weekend, so if you find time would you please post the next lesson Monday?

[Calimehtar]

OK, I will make a summary and excercises. This time I wont be able to just use the notes I took when I read it a few weeks ago, I'll have to re-read it and make excercises, so I would appreciate it if people would do the excercises or post ANYTHING besides errors I made. (Though do post if I made an error, just please post ... something. lol) Anyways, I'll read the next lesson over the weekend and either post it Sunday night or Monday before or after school.

-Calimehtar

[Scatha]

I'll keep an eye out for it. ;)

[Eöl]

Umm, were you planning on posting the next lesson soon? If you are busy that's fine don't worry about it, but I was just wondering...

[Calimehtar]

I actually wasnt... (sorry) if you would like to take charge with the Quenya lessons (Or any of you that want to) please do. I quit studying Quenya with the Guild of Tolkienology and I kinda quit here too.


Sorry,
Calimehtar

[*Lady Arwen*]

So... are we going to stop having quenya lessons or can someone else take over the job.

[Scatha]

I do hope we can get someone to take over this thread.
Perhaps we could ask one of the language experts to take charge of this thread?

[Eöl]

I will try to take over the lessons, but I have a lot going on at school right now so I may not be very consistent. Also, I will be learning with all of you so please cut me some slack! Thanks!

Celebrien

[Scatha]

Heh, I see Celebrien got himself a new name as well.

;)

[Elennainie]

Hi there, I just wanted to invite you guys to a quenya poetry contest, in the language of middle earth section. Hope to see you there! Yay for Quenya!

[Eöl]

Hmm I don't think any of us our quite that skilled yet, including myself with my 30 something word vocabulary...:D Thanks for the offer, if you ever have another contest, say in 3 months or so we'll be ready! Anyways, great news, the Lesson Three summary is up, posted by yours truly! *Bows* So any of you still interested please go check it out and I would love to hear some constructive criticism on my summary format. The summary is in the same thread Lesson Two is in, called **Quenya Lessons**.

[Elennainie]

Well I'll check back with you in about 3 months then, when you are all experts! ;) Hope your lessons go very well. If you ever need extra exercises, you are most welcome to use the ones over at the Guild of Tolkienology's quenya course threads. Namarie! :)