Training Registration

[Anamatar IV]

Here you will register for the classes you wish to take in training.:) I will list the roles that you may choose from and under them will be the required courses for each. At the bottom will be a list of all courses. You may choose at least 2 additional classes from the bottom. If you are at all confused feel free to ask via pm.:)

Paladin

PM me for details

Archer

Archery (foot)
Archery (horse)
History of Arda
Races of Arda
People of Arda
Geography of Arda
Troup Fomations
Group fighting


Monk

Hand to hand combat
Word skills
Wisdom
History of Arda
People of Arda
Races of Arda
Geography of Arda
Diplomacy


Mountain King

Blacksmithing
Building
Wood working
Axe throwing
History of Arda
People of Arda
Races of Arda
Geography of Arda
Troup Fomations
Group fighting
Concussion Weapons


Diplomat

Diplomacy
Word skills
History of Arda
People of Arda
Races of Arda
Geography of Arda


Healer

Healing
History of Arda
People of Arda
Races of Arda
Geography of Arda


Assassin

Stealth fighting
Knife play
History of Arda
People of Arda
Races of Arda
Geography of Arda


Berserker

Concussion weapons
War strategy
History of Arda
People of Arda
Races of Arda
Geography of Arda
Troup Fomations
Group fighting


Scholar

Wisdom
Word skills
History of Arda
People of Arda
Races of Arda
Geography of Arda




Here follows the list of classes to choose from:

sword fighting (foot)
sword fighting (horse)
Archery (foot)
Archery (horse)
Spear fighting (foot)
Spear fighting (horse)
Concussion weapons (axe, mace...)
Axe throwing
Hand to hand combat
Stealth fighting
Sword dancing
knife play
War strategizing
Healing
Diplomacy
Blacksmithing
Diplomacy
Word skills
Building
Wood working
Wisdom
Music
Troup Fomations
Group fighting

[Anamatar IV]

Goldie, you are missing the point. You select the role to play (archers for you) and the classes under them are your required courses. You may select at least 2 electives ontop of those. So knife play is fine and one more.

[Goldberry344]

i didnt see the at least. so i deleted my last post. Archery, knife play and sword fighting (horse)

[Phenix]

just a question but if u know how to shot from horse back shouldn't you naturaly be able to shoot standing still aswell...just a thought doe...

[Anamatar IV]

Well...no. That is what I thought last night but I did some research and there is a lot more to archery than firing arrows-and even more to it when doing it on a horse. I have added 3 or 4 more classes to choose from by request of Nenya.:)

[Rasec]

Well, I am already being trained as a Paladin. So am I supposed to do anything here, Anamatar and Nenya? :confused:

'Rasec.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

OK, I would like to register for the Mountain King class, the additional classes would be Concussion Weapons, War strategizing, diplomacy, and word skills.

[Anamatar IV]

I am SO sorry for 2 things:

Concussion weapons SHOULD have been a required course for Mountain King...I have made the change now-thanks for reminding me Dain.

And paladin's may sign up for classes but do not need to...but it might be fun.;)

[Nenya Evenstar]

Rasec, your Paladin training will be continuing on as it has been going until you all graduate to the next level. Then it will change a little bit to fit in with the rest of the guild. I think all you should do right now is just finish your first level of training. When that's done, register for the other classes.

[Phenix]

are we gona be able to chose new classes once we're done with the ones that we choses now?

[Nenya Evenstar]

I don't see why not... sure you can take more classes once you're done with the ones you have taken. And I bet you could even take a class over again if you want to.

[Rasec]

But Anamatar and Nenya, there is no option for Paladin class on the first post of this thread. :confused: If I wanted to make it, how could I? Don't understand. By the way, I am in the middle of the way to my trip, for I stopped at the capital city before going to the beaches. ;) See you then...

'Rasec.

[Phenix]

so when will the training start?

[Nenya Evenstar]

A few new threads will start today as soon as I can get Anamatar's permission. :)

[Ecthelion]

If your training to be a Paladin, when you get to the next level will you choose another major class(Assassin Berserker, etc.) or do we just choose 2 other "elective" classes. Also you have Diplomacy on the list at the bottom twice.

[Anamatar IV]

You are training as a Paladin, thus you will be a Paladin. At any time you are free to sign up for more elective classes (though, Paladins are taking just about all of the fighting classes...) to enhance your character.

I noticed the error.

I am making an announcement to all Paladins--you MUST take the 3 (or 4...I forget which) classes which contain "Arda" in them. They are required classes for all and thus, you will take them.:)

[Ecthelion]

Those were the ones I was going to do first anyway;) But werent you going to put People and Races of Arda together? And do we have to wait until we make it to the next level of Paladin to start those classes?

[Anamatar IV]

Of course not! You take the classes when the trainer decides to start them...

[AratheinElessar]

i would like to take the archer course with sword fighting (foot) and hand to hand combat as my elective

[Anamatar IV]

You are of course welcome to join Heren Istarion, AratheinElessar.:)

Currently there are two training threads up:

Geography of Arda

People of Arda (NOT Races...PEOPLE like Turin and Luthien people)

[ms Greenleaf]

Originally posted by Anamatar IV
You are training as a Paladin, thus you will be a Paladin. At any time you are free to sign up for more elective classes (though, Paladins are taking just about all of the fighting classes...) to enhance your character.

I noticed the error.

I am making an announcement to all Paladins--you MUST take the 3 (or 4...I forget which) classes which contain "Arda" in them. They are required classes for all and thus, you will take them.:) Hi can you pm me about paladin cause if it would take a lot of time i might not want to do it but anyway may I start with just my elctives Sword fighting horse and foot

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Anam, I have a question. How are you going to judge a person fit if there are not classes for all of those points under the titles?

I was looking over it, on buisness for my own 'teachings', and was planning on messaging the teachers of certain subjects, to ask them to allert me when a student finds a particular interest or talent in certain catagories. However, several of the catagories have no distinct teacher...

as you can tell, I'm rather confused. Can you clear me up?

[Anamatar IV]

now I'm confused.;)

We are sorting out the spear fighting now, if that is what you mean about no teachers for some classes. But could you please explain clearer? Remember--I can only understan things given on a 3rd grade level.;)

[¤-Elessar-¤]

oh. Nevermind. I just didn't remember all of those classes being offered to be taught. Otherwise I might have chosen some of them :D. Everything's ok now.

BTW, is there a list of who teaches what?

[Anamatar IV]

in the forum the white council on page one of the thread Grand Council members of Heren Istarion there is a post by me with the list of classes and who teachers them.:)

[Nenya Evenstar]

Go here (important for Elessar): http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=230835#post230835 :D

[Eöl]

Hey, I would like to sign up as an assassin with Hand To Hand Combat and Archery(foot) as my electives. Also, can I add another class...Sword Fighting(foot)

[ms Greenleaf]

i have decided assasin
sword dancing
sword on horse

[Lossen Vana]

I would like to sign up as an Assassin with healing and sword fighting (foot) as my elective.

[Legolaschick]

Can I be an Archer on foot and on horse and sword danceing

[Nenya Evenstar]

Legolaschick and Lossen Vana, you have been added to the membership of Heren Istarion and have been signed up for your classes. Please read through the threads of the courses you are required to take and of the courses you have signed up for. Then, begin your training.! :) Welcome! Enjoy!

[lossenandunewen]

i would like to sign up for hte classes, but can i have more info please?

[Nenya Evenstar]

Welcome, lossenandunewen! It's great to see you here! :)

Yes, you may have more info. What classes are you wondering about? What info are you wanting exactly?

[lossenandunewen]

well.. the archery classes sound great.. and info-wise just basically what i need to do etc. if i can join any classes as of now and stuff

[Nenya Evenstar]

Great! All you have to do is post an entrance into any of the classes that you have signed up for. Some of the classes have started already, so you should join them as soon as possible. Make sure you try to read a bit in each thread to get the feel of it before posting. These are the classes you have signed up for:

* Archery (foot)
* Archery (horse)
* History of Arda
* Races of Arda
* People of Arda
* Geography of Arda (Temporarily stopped)
Troup Fomations
Group fighting

As soon as you see a thread about one of these classes you can join it. The classes that I have marked "*" have already started. So, just begin your posting! Geography of Arda is stopped temporarily but will begin again soon.

You may also post in the Dorms or in the By the shores or hills by the winds in the grass threads. These threads are simply places for your character to interact with other people's characters. Please read the first post in each thread to learn the rules. Check out new threads as they come along! I hope this helps! Have fun! :D

[¤-Elessar-¤]

umm... are there only 3 archers? That's all I've seen so far, and I was just making sure...

[Anamatar IV]

only 3:)

I am making this announcement:

After this semester of Paladin training I will resign the paladins to the current method of training. I am asking all peoples who teach a fighting class to be prepared to make honor fighting classes for the 2 paladins who are finishing a level of training soon.

[Aulë]

Hi, I would like to join the Mountain King classes, but I'm rather confused.
Do I have to register with the Guild, or post up my RP character profile?

[Anamatar IV]

There is a thread called Heren Istarion: Joining. After following that thread (minus the parts about pming me) you'll no longer be confused.:)

[Finduilas]

I want to learn how to play rps.
Where is that trainning?:confused:

[Anamatar IV]

hmm well you learn how to rp while you learn how to be these characters.

[Finduilas]

Now that I am Finduilas should my character be the same, from Tolkien's book or can it be imaginative?

[Finduilas]

Now, while I'm going through the classes, I want to ask something more-
should I have a character to post in those threads?
And what does OOC mean?:confused:
I just want to do everything right when I start posting in the Guild's threads.
Thank you.

[Anamatar IV]

Finduilas I am going to start a thread explaining everything that we are for some reason failing to teach in the training.:(

Yes you should play your character in those threads.:)

[¤-Elessar-¤]

In the meantime, refer to the 'rp manual' by our local mod, Cir. They are somewhere around here...


[RPG Manual (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=2606)

Most people tend to overlook it, but it is very informative.

[Scatha]

Finduilas,

OOC means Out Of Character, aka saying things during play that have nothing to do with your char.



Anamathar,

However nice the setup of the guild is, do you have a place where a veteran roleplayer can dig his teeth into?

[Anamatar IV]

hmm....you know I remember the GC discussing your joining and debating what to do since you are very experienced with role playing.....but I don't remember if we ever reached a verdict....hmm

[Scatha]

Well, don't keep me in suspense for too long ;)

[Anamatar IV]

please read my pm and keep all other discussions on this matter via pms.:)

[Angoreth]

I would like to be an

assasin,

wisdom and sword fighting(on foot) as my classes.

[HobbitGirl]

In the class threads, do we wait until one class session is over and another begins to join them? Or can we just dive right in?

[lossenandunewen]

dive right in there :D

[Scatha]

Farathorn the Half-elf

Assassin

*Stealth fighting
*Knife play
*History of Arda
*People of Arda
*Races of Arda
*Geography of Arda

Additional classes

*Sword fighting (foot)
*Archery (foot)
*Sword dancing
*Blacksmithing
*Healing
*Troop formations
*Group fighting
*War strategy

[Aulë]

Lord Caelin, I believe that you are only allowed to select 2 additional units

[Scatha]

Originally posted by Anamatar IV
Here you will register for the classes you wish to take in training.:) I will list the roles that you may choose from and under them will be the required courses for each. At the bottom will be a list of all courses. You may choose at least 2 additional classes from the bottom. If you are at all confused feel free to ask via pm.:)



As stated in the beginning of this thread, at least 2 additional classes. That is a minimum, not a maximum.

[Angoreth]

When do we start our classes?

[Anamatar IV]

Some classes have already started. You can just right into those. Whenever a new thread starts you check to see if you are taking that class...then it is all in character from there.:)

[Angoreth]

o.k. cool thank you.:D

[Phenix]

just realised...I never posted my classes only pm:ed them... oh well her they comes:


Assassin:

Stealth fighting
Knife play
History of Arda
People of Arda
Races of Arda
Geography of Arda



Adidtional classes:

sword fighting (foot)
Archery (foot)
hand to hand combat
group fighting

[Elora]

The training structure you have set out is commendable and will prove invaluable to those who are developing role play experience and characters. :)

I am a little at a loss to determine a training category that suits my character though. She's quite developed (there's an overview of her on the character thread for further reference). Her general history, abilities and fit into Tolkien mythology is already in place, developed intensively over a period of 5 years. Given her character, race and nature the training categories don't really fit her.

What would you suggest?

[Mablung]

Probably Paladin I believe that is the most adaptable of the classes. You can also take a second class though after you finish your first I believe if that helps any.

[Anamatar IV]

actually...we decided it'd be best what with the university system and all to keep 1 role per person.:)

we don't know your character HALF as well as you do, Elora. So whichever you feel is best for her is what you should choose (and you also choose electives....so I don't see a real problem arising.:))

[Mablung]

Well last I had heard it was still up in the air. Now I know thanks Anamatar.

[Elora]

Thanks for the suggestions...

It's understandable that contributors here don't know much of the Elora category, and the solution to that lies in the telling of her story rather than my training as a role player.

I shall have to consider the matter further as to whether training serves the character development process or my role playing ability any further than previous training and experience undertaken thus far. I am loathe to waste the time of my prospective trainers and class mates.

You see, many of the classes simply do not suit the character's requirements. Being a somewhat unusual character in terms of how she is constructed, it is not a straightforward process to slot her into generic "training" that doesn't blend with who she is.

Sounds a touch proud, I understand, but Elora's actions in training and any role play are always ones that are coherent and consistent with her character, unless the situation she is in demands an unusual out of character response from her. So, in order to participate, I would have to find a logical reason for her to be there. Why, for example, would an Ainu creature be learning archery, for argument's sake alone. Present at the Music of the Ainur, she certainly knows about Arda geography, sociology and as she was present in mortal lands when her brethern remained in Valinor, she knows a far bit about the history of the people she is sworn to defend in the name of her Master - Illuvator.

Certainly, as wielder of the Flame Imperishable, Weapons Dancer, and sworn champion of Illuvator's will within the Circles of Arda, she has a lot on her plate. Regardless of her personal story, the story of her duty is broad enough.

So, I guess I'm trying to determine why Elora would possibly be at training in the first place. Perhaps it will be to observe the Children of Illuvator, of whom she became so enamoured that she swore her oath of protection in the second place - the first place being the oath to uphold the will of Illuvator and oppose all who overthrow it - Melkor being her chiefest of foes.

Of course, being a curious creature, it is very conceivable that she would go to classes just to "hang out". She is by nature very curious. Mayhap Paladin would suit her needs best of all...

Forgive this soliloquy - character consistency and logic are important cornerstones to all my writing - role play and otherwise. I appreciate your patience.

[Mablung]

You could always create a new character as well if you wished. I'd say better than 50% of the people that RP around here have more than one character. I had the same dillemma here since my Ranger character didn't quite fit in here, but I still wanted to join to enhance my RP skills so I just made a new one.

[Elora]

Again, another sound suggestion and I too am known to play more than one character on other places. I think the problem is the characters are too well developed.

As I'm writing, character development efforts (which are considerable and take much energy and time to undertake for poor, uncreative me) I am focussing on my non role play activities.

Perhaps I could start Elora over though. Certainly she is malleable enough for that.

Thanks Mablung.... you're very helpful and I really do appreciate it. :)


How does one go about declaring intention to train as Paladin? A declaration here or a p.m to Anamatar IV?

[Wonko The Sane]

I would like to enroll as a healer to balance all the evil I do.
My chosen electives will be music and word skills.

[Mablung]

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=8642

That will put you into the right direction Elora.

[Anamatar IV]

Elora, I have a very quick question. Is your character indeed an Ainu? If it is I am afraid you might have to choose a new character as very few Ainur are allowed in Serious RPGs.

[Phenix]

just a question anamatar... who's the teacher for group fighting... just thought I should ask couse teh thread has been up a long time but there's no teacher (people even thought I was the teacher just becouse I posted after everyone els:S)

[Anamatar IV]

The answer is....I don't know. It was never claimed. But I'll take care of that.

[Elora]

Indeed Elora is an Ainu, complete with a history that merges with Tolkien mythology. Not a rampant revisionist, with a healthy admiration and respect for the published body of work, I have nonetheless found the character to be very functional in a wide array of serious role plays which remain to character and consistent with Tolkien's works.

What it gets down to is how she is constructed, checks and balances, idiosyncracities that make her 3 dimensional and not all powerful. Also, it requires that she blends with the established histories of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd ages. Indeed, her role play locations are 1st age timelines.

Honestly, if the fact that she is not Eldar, Edain of Dwarf means she has no place in a role play, I'd prefer not engage in the role play. I can understand that if she were simply an all powerful figure then her involvement would severely hamper the role play. She is not an all powerful figure. She is Ainur, but not Maia or Vala, an entirely different creature as I have not desire to meddle with heresy. ;)

The mystery of her nature, her purpose and her reasons for existing are powerful themes to her character and her actions. If having a complicated character means that it becomes unwieldly, then I can only conclude that the serious role plays are not environments that suit me. Disappointing as that is to me, such is life I suppose.

[Mablung]

You really should just create a secondary character Elora it seems to me just from your posts here you would do very well in those and be a bit dissapointed in Lighthearted ones.

[Elora]

Mablung, I agree the lighthearted role plays do not appeal to me.

Character development is an involved process. For all characters I develop for role play or other creative work, I place an extraordinary amount of time in building, layer by layer, their motifs, their personalities, their race, history, genders, habits, preferences, appearances, faults, qualities, skills.

I would love to become involved in serious role plays here, but I simply do not have the time to begin another character right now. At present, my character development energies are directed into different avenues than role playing.

However, should I undergo a surfiet in creativity and discover another little kernel that becomes a character (as has happened before), then I shall bring him or her straight here and get underway.

Alas, it seems Elora must languish for the present. Hopefully, by the time I get more of that elusive stuff (time, that is), she won't have landed me in more trouble than I care for. Left unsupervisied and unoccupied, she can be mischevious and curious....

You know, it occurs to me that I may be the the only one whose characters seem to live a life of their own regardless of their writer's will. Surely, not a good sign. :)

Thanks Mablung. I hope I get the chance to develop a character for Tolkienforum soon, as I really would like to get my teeth into some new serious role playing.

[Mablung]

I think we're all anxious for that anyway take your time with your character one done without inspiration has no heart or soul.

[Wonko The Sane]

Hi...Not that I'm trying to make trouble or anything, but I am of the firm belief that if Elora wants her character to be Ainur then her character should be Ainur.

I really don't think that there's any reason to make her create a new character, or to exclude her from serious RPs which she is obviously capable of.

The whole point of a role playing game is that you PLAY A ROLE and have fun doing it. Granted it is meant to continue or be based loosely on a work already in existence but there are very few hard and fast rules.

If she has a character that she can make work in the context of an RP then she should be able to use it.

If you create too many rules it ceases to be a game. And they're not called RPGs because they're some kind of military school.

[Aulë]

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9996

This thread states some of the rules for creating an RP Profile.
I believe that being Ainer goes into the same category of being an Ent or an Eagle, and is beyond the acceptable realms of RPing in this Guild.

[Wonko The Sane]

Please tell me those are JUST for this guild and not for the rest of the forum.

[Aulë]

Just for the Guild (thank god)

[Wonko The Sane]

I echo your "Thank God" and would like to add three more of my own.

Also...I was wondering...are those rules for the guild hard and fast?
And are guild members allowed to post in other RPs outside the guild and still use the skills they learned while IN the guild?

[Anamatar IV]

And are guild members allowed to post in other RPs outside the guild and still use the skills they learned while IN the guild?

I don't see why not.

The problem with Elora being an Ainu is a few things in all. Wizards have been limited by the White Council. There are two and there may or may not be more.

There would need to be a reason as to why an Ainu is in middle earth. Aside from Balrogs, Sauron, and the Istari very few Ainu ever came to Middle-earth.

These are just a few but I hope you see why it would be very hard to have an Ainu as a character.

[Elora]

Excellent point, which is why Elora is neither Maia nor Vala. Ainur is a catch-all lable for the Maia and Vala and other spirits that came to Arda. Some, not all came, and not all that came were described.

Based on this "grey area", room for a creature such as Elora was identified. The reasons why she came, abided and remained in Middle-earth are part of her history and character.

Here's a brief run down.

Elora was part of the Ainur within the great Halls, and hence was present at the Music and also a servant to Eru. She had various links, alliances with various Vala and Maia. She had initially a strong alliance with Melkor, a tempestous relationship with Manwe, a close relationship with Varda and Yavanna. Orome was a friend, Osse and Tulkas were brothers in arms, Aule a contact and valued ally. Melkor's fall from grace was for Elora a cruel betrayal. As servant to Eru, she saw his turning as something that would endanger her Master's will, and took it upon herself to travel with those Ainur that left for Arda, so as to oppose his evil and ensure Eru's will is done.

What rolls from there is woven throughout the writings of the Silmarillion. She became enamoured like Orome of Illuvator's Children and swore a second oath to defend them. She fought Morgoth in subtle ways, for to openly bring her power forth would only endanger those she wished safe and worse still render the beloved fabric of Arda that she was sworn to protect - hence her title Guardian of Arda. She had her own quarrels with Feanor and his scions, based on her requirement to uphold Eru's will and their oath to regain the Simarils at any cost - it placed her in a dicey, dangerous position. She did not always agree with Manwe, had a strange association with Mandos. How each of them heard and understood the will of Eru varied.

After years working with this character, I have found she has been well received, considered plausible and credible, and in no way impinges on the written works of Tolkien which I value highly.

If the serious role plays are so closely guarded that freedom to use credible characters in appropriate fashion is limited in such a way as I perceive that it is, then I fear I have a rapidly dwindling interest in them. I do not believe it to be conducive to the expression of creativity and the collaborative process of role play writing.

I was considering developing a new character for role play purposes, but I am reconsidering even that now. I appreciate that there must be clear parameters, but feel that these intrude where they have no business intruding.

I thank you for your time, and wish you the best in your role plays. I won't be troubling them with my presence. No need to invoke White Council rules and regulations for or against the Elora character. Being my character, and one I have worked hard to develop and operate in a responsible manner over the years, I do not believe that they have jurisdiction over her.

Call it a difference of philosophies, and leave it at that. As I have said earlier, such is life.

Adieu. :)

[Wonko The Sane]

Originally posted by Elora

If the serious role plays are so closely guarded that freedom to use credible characters in appropriate fashion is limited in such a way as I perceive that it is, then I fear I have a rapidly dwindling interest in them. I do not believe it to be conducive to the expression of creativity and the collaborative process of role play writing.


It's true. The serious role plays are being "guarded" far too closely and they do limit freedom in many ways.
Granted some reasons for this are legitimate but others are not.
Basically it comes down to control. Control that certain people shouldn't have over other people or their choice in characters.
If your character works within the scope of the RP tolerably well and doesn't present anything more than "a little difficulty" ie. no SERIOUS problems then I don't see why you should not be able to participate.

However, if this becomes a problem you can always create your OWN serious RPG.
Becuase they you are law unto yourself. Your rules govern your own RP.

That's my suggestion.

Somethings are just not meant to be so serious. Even a serious RPG is still a game.

[Elora]

Wonko, I have been deliberating starting my own role play. Experience in coming to new sites has suggested to me that it is best to first initiate your character, get familiar with the specific idiosyncracities of role play at the site you're venturing into.

I tried an inn thread, as they are most ammendable to casual, light hearted exploration and observation. Unfortunately, I found myself surrounded by writers far more agreeable to truncating words into abbreviated letter sequences than I. So, I turned to this place on the advice of a kindly gentleman, as a way to wend my way into the "zone".

When I noted the tight categorisation, I doubted then whether this alternative would prove suitable. It seems it is not for me, though I can see how it is otherwise for others. I may yet start a serious role play, but I prefer to get to know other serious role players so I can better envisionage how a story line will flow - knowing their approach and writing style.

At any rate, this is rather 6 one and half dozen the other now. I was returning to unsubscribe from this thread and ended up again getting into further discussion.

If anyone does want to discuss this further with me, then I am happy to do so. So as not to hijack this thread, that had best occur via private message or e-mail. I hope that you find the training and guild role plays here entertaining and challenging.

Thanks again.

[Wonko The Sane]

Quick note: Don't get the wrong idea about the site or role playing from the inns and pubs.
:) The people there are often a lot less serious about things than those in the RPs.
Most RPs are NOT like inns and pubs.
It just depends on who you RP with.

Anyway...yes. Back to topic.

[Nenya Evenstar]

One thing that I think has not been explained and definitely needs explained is the fact that Heren Istarion is not necessarily heading down the road to simply create good RPers. Yes, that is the primary goal, but there is more. Each person's character in this guild is becoming part of an RP world. In this RP world there are rulers of countries, family lines that have died out, a strict handle on the use of magic, etc. Only a few select people are allowed to become wizards. Thus it can be concluded that an Ainu would fit into the catagory of people who should not be used. The only characters that are accepted at the moment in this guild, as far as I know, are the regular races (Elf, Man, Orc, Dwarf, Hobbit) and no races with more power than that. It is our goal to create characters that could fit into the current RP timeline.

The Serious RP's and the War RP's (RP timeline) are two completely different things. The Serious RP's have no rules, basically, but good RPing skills. The War RP's, however, have the added rules of countries, alliances, actual existing kings, etc., all of which act together to create a much more convincing world. That is the path this guild is going down, if I'm not mistaken. Your character that is trained here should be created with that in mind. Of course you are more than welcome to use any other different character to start any other different serious RP should you choose. However, when working within this guild and its little "world" that is forming, you are required to accept the current timeline as it is. Don't think of anything as "rules," but rather think of things as a world.

I am terribly sorry that you are not interested in training anymore, Elora. However, I hope that I have helped to clarify things a little bit.

To sum up: This guild is teaching people to RP as well as introducing them into the current RP timeline. (This, of course, does not give you a current place in the War RP's, only paves the way for future expansion.)

[Wonko The Sane]

Nenya are you teaching the healer's courses?

[Nenya Evenstar]

Nenya are you teaching the healer's courses?
Yes, I am. I'll start that up as soon as I'm un-grounded from the internet and as soon as I'm back into the swing of things on TTF. I'm excited to have such an eager student. ;)

[Wonko The Sane]

Yay!! I'm excited! :)

I've even put on my white robes of old. :) I figured that even though I'm evil I might as well LOOK like a do-gooder if I'm going to learn how to heal. ;)

[Nenya Evenstar]

Exactly! And you know, there is absolutely nothing wrong with you pretending to be good under another name. You could always be the same character with a fake name who is infiltrating herself into the ranks of Heren Istarion...just an idea so that you could keep your regular character and yet fit into the RP timeline.

*EDIT (moving our other convo here)*
I have no intention of making you good. ;) The only complications I see with you having the same character in these two guilds is in any event that could happen should your character be required to fight in the Wars. She would have to choose one side...I think we all know which side that would be. Therefore she'd be kicked out of Heren Istarion (the character, not you). This is why I recommend an "underground" approach.

[Wonko The Sane]

Here's the thing of my character:

I am a member of the Dark Legion, but the Dark Legion isn't always evil.

Even the Dark Queen can be quite nice when you get to know her.

I wear my white robes as a sign of peace. As a symbol for truce. Like a white flag.

I'm still me...but I'll put my homocidal tendencies on back burner for awhile. ;)

[Nenya Evenstar]

Sounds good to me....

Nenya will be watching you like a hawk. ;)

[Wonko The Sane]

I'll be good!
I promise.

Well, relatively good at least. :) *insert halo here*

[Elora]

I had unsubscribed from this thread so as not to clog it with tangential discussion. As a result, time has elapsed since I dropped by and I have only just now seen the comments concerning my character since my previous final post here.

Thanks for taking the time to share them.

I have to say that my interest was in collaborative writing, and in locating others with similar interests. Training was by the by as far as that goes and my interest in training in this instance was based in my desire to join a dedicated writing community. It waned somewhat as the restrictions on character became evident, to the point where I felt I could not respect the philosophy behind it. This is not to say that HI is misguided or wrong. Simply I do not agree with. I'm sure we all agree that we each have an inalienable right as individuals to hold our own opinions.

Therefore, I bowed out of HI. However I think I may have been misconstrued along the way, likely due to my own poor communication. So at the risk of boring the audience with repetition, here I go to set the record straight:

a) I really don't have a desire to be the "god" or all powerful entity, decision maker, in any given role play. Frankly, I can imagine nothing duller. I do, though, reserve the right to employ my creativity as I wish to. I also expect others to contribute on the same basis. That is what I am after when all is said and done.

b) I do understand that inns are not serious role plays. I would have to be a very green role player to be unable to discern this. They are, however, excellent environments to sort wheat from other grains when getting to know an on-line community.

c) It is possible to have a "powerful" character that does not engage in grandiose and simplistic displays of might that derail a role play. Just as my "warrior" characters have never engaged in sword waving and Xena, Warrior Princess, undulating cries and the like, neither does my Ainur character wallow in her skills. I work hard at treating her abilities with a subtlety that befits the perception and cleverness of those who read and contribute to any story she is part of. Anything less would be tawdry and empty of meaning. Credible is essential. With the guidelines of credibility and respecting Tolkien's work, other restrictions become heavy to carry indeed. It is precisely for this reason that I do not role play any character that Tolkien himself devised, and search instead for niches that allow new characters.

d) War RP's have rarely interested me. In my experience, I find the battle soon loses appeal. In the end, it becomes meaningless without a wider context. Who the combatants are, why they are at war, what is at stake and the consequences intrigue me moreso. Certainly war and battle have a place, but they do not replace a fully realised plot and story. So please do not fret that Elora will show up on a War RP here.


I hope this clarifies matters, though I have no expectation that anything concerning Elora and HI will change. It was not for that purpose that I have responded here now. I believe in the courtesy of reply, and I hope my slowness has not offended those who earlier offered comment.

Thank you.

[The_Swordmaster]

I would like to sign up for Mountin King. My electives will be war strategizing, Hand to hand combat and word skills.

[ElvishHellion]

i would like to take archery , sword dancingand healing

[Luthien_7]

I want to be an archer and take sword fighting and healing as electives. Who is teaching the last two? Also, i didn't see threads where i could learn them or there is something wrong with my eyes? :confused:

[Nenya Evenstar]

Welcome, Luthien! :) I've put you down for those classes. One question though: Are you wanting to take Sword Fighting on foot or on horse?

The two electives you chose have not been started yet, but will be started soon. So no, nothing wrong with your eyes.

For the class schedule, visit this thread: http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=269554#post269554

[Luthien_7]

Sword fighting on foot :D

[The_Swordmaster]

I wish to add another elective. I would like to take diplomacy since I have just gotten involved in the Goverment Council RPGs and now I relise the importance of that class. I hope I'm allowed to do this. I won't make an entrance to the class untill I get premission to add that to my electives.

[Nenya Evenstar]

You have permission, and I'll add you to the list. :)

[Wonko The Sane]

Elora,

Beautiful thoughts!

One thing: The War RPs on TTF are MUCH more than battles.
They are really complex government councils, and they have a plot, well-defined characters and are exceptional.

I'd post in them if a) I had more time to post, b) I had more time to read past posts in said threads, c) my character weren't inelligible. :rolleyes:

[baragund]

I understand that things are dormant here until the new web site is up. But I think I figured out my curriculum based on the beginnings of a character I'm mulling over:

Major: Scholar

Electives: Building, War Strategizing, Dwarf Darrow: Architecture, Sword Fighting (foot), Spear Fighting (foot)

I'll cut back if there are conflicts in the schedule.

[Nenya Evenstar]

Ok, great! You've been added.

Just a note: Building was combined into War Strategizing . . . Anamatar may need to update this thread. :D

[Wonko The Sane]

I take back all I said.

Apparently I have no life, and therefore plenty of time, and my character is in NO way inelligible.

Good. Now I'm off to go play in Rivendell.
BECAUSE IT'S MINE!!!

*Looks pointedly at Anamatar and winks as she trips off to go play in the new mere at Imladris*

[Isal Celebalda]

I would like to be a Healer (healing) and my electives would be Archery (foot) and Music. Thank you!

[Nenya Evenstar]

Welcome, Isal! You have been registered for classes. :)

[Wonko The Sane]

We don't post here anymore do we? I mean...ALL of HI is on MERPG now right? :(

[Anamatar IV]

Originally posted by Wonko The Sane
We don't post here anymore do we? I mean...ALL of HI is on MERPG now right? :(

Well what else of HI is there?

[Nenya Evenstar]

In other words, yes. :rolleyes: ;)

[Aulë]

Yeah,
btw, When is this forum being archived?

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by Aulë
Yeah,
btw, When is this forum being archived?
What do you mean by saying this?What does 'archived' mean?What's going to happen to the forum?:confused:
Please,may someone explain to me!:confused:

[Nenya Evenstar]

Only the Heren Istarion forum and the RP forums are being archived. All the RP-related things moved to the new site at www.middle-earth-rpg.com

[Silven Assassin]

I'll be an Assassin, and I'll take the other courses sword dancing and music.

[Aulë]

Silven Assassin: Heren Istarion has been moved to www.middle-earth-rpg.com
Please re-request your registration in the appropriate thread over there.

[Nenya Evenstar]

And welcome to the forums!!! :)