**Quenya Lessons**

[Calimehtar]

This thread is for the group learning Quenya by the course made out at www.ardalambion.com Let's try not to spam this thread because we will be using all of our lessons in this thread.
Schedule:
Friday - Post Lesson Summary
Saturday - Sunday - Work excercises and ask your questions.
So, without further a do, here is our FIRST lesson!

Lesson 2: The Noun, Plural Form, and Articles
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1) A noun ending in A, O, I, U, or the group -IE form their plural with the ending -R.
Elda------------Eldar
Valie------------Valier
Ainu------------Ainur
2) A noun ending in -E typically form their plural with the ending -I and the -I replaces the -E instead of forming behind it.
Quende-------Quendi
3) A noun ending in -LE form their plural by adding -R.
Malle-----------Maller
Tyelle----------Tyeller
4) A noun ending in a consanent forms their plural by adding -I.
Elen-----------Eleni
Atan-----------Atani
5) There is only one article.... "i" it means "the"
i eleni----------the stars
i Elda-----------the Elf
6) Proper nouns do not need an article.
Isil--------------The Moon
i Isil------------(incorrect) the the Moon

Vocabulary
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mine--------one
Anar--------(the) Sun
Isil--------(the) Moon
ar--------and
Elda--------Elf
lie--------people
vende--------maiden
rocco--------horse
aran--------king
tari--------queen
tasar--------willow
nu--------under
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Excercises:
A) Translate Into English:
1) Roccor
2) Aran
3) I Rocco
4) I Roccor
5) Arani
6) Mine lie nu mine aran
7) I aran ar i tiri
8) Vendi
B) Translate Into Quenya:
1) Willows
2) Elves
3) The kings
4) Peoples
5) The horse under the willow
6) A maiden and a queen
7) The Queen and the maidens
8) The Sun and the Moon

Note: The summaries will be better than this one from now on, I used the summary I made back when I first read the lesson a few weeks ago (when I was a TOTAL beginner) and I will add more excercises later tonight or early tomorrow morning. (And remember, try not to flood the thread with a lot of posts, make them all in one post.

[*Lady Arwen*]

Um, I think there is an error on the vocabulary list it says:

tasar--------willow

nu--------willow

Which one is willow?

[lossenandunewen]

i'm assuming one of them mean under

[Scatha]

A) Translate Into English:

7) I aran ar i tiri - a king and a queen (even though it should read tari, not tiri)

[lossenandunewen]

:( I'm ready for the next lesson!

[Calimehtar]

Well, the purpose of this thread was for us to post any questions, and I understand if you didnt have any, but I also meant for us to do the excercises and make sentences of Quenya. Sadly, no one did any of this. I'm not sure if this was much of a success....

-Calimehtar

[Scatha]

I actually did the exercise, Cali.

If you wanted them posted in here, you should have said so.

[lossenandunewen]

i did the lessons to! i just didn't think i should post the answers incase some one else wanted to get the lesson without seeing the answers before hand!


it is a success!

[Calimehtar]

I think I did say that in the other thread for the lessons. (Probably before you got here, L. Caelin.) So, just on the next lessons post some of the answers on here. (not all of them, though) And I will have the next lesson up Monday. Be reading the lesson now.

-Calimehtar

[Eöl]

Translated From Quenya
1. Horses
2. king
3. the horse
4. the horses
5. kings
6. one people under one king
7. the king and the queen
8. maidens
Translated To Quenya
1. tasari
2. Eldar
3. i arani
4. lii (not sure about this one)
5. i rocco nu i tasar
6. mine vende ar mine tari (not sure if "one" is the same as "a")
7. Tari ar I vendi
8. Anar ar Isil

[Calimehtar]

LoL! mmmk!

as for the one about "a and one" mixed up... I copy/pasted that out of the lessons we downloaded... (or I thought I did, but I wouldnt think there would be that many errors in it)

And the PEOPLES=LII... I think it would be Lier. I'd have to check my notes, but I am pretty sure its lier.

[Scatha]

I think it is lier.

[Eöl]

I'm done with my summary, yay we get to keep learning Quenya!

Here it is:
Lesson Three –
Other than plural forms, Quenya also contains a dual form used for things naturally found in pairs. Things casually associated would be plural or you would use the word atta, "two." For example, two sister ships would not be plural, but you would use the dual forms instead. Dual form has two endings -t or -u. -U is used in place of final vowels. For example “Aldu” might refer to The Two Trees. (I am not entirely sure, please don’t quote me on that!) Depending on the word, both letters are interchangeable. For words which already contain a –t or a -d, you may want to use –u to avoid crowding. Several words change slightly when an ending is added. You must use that ending form of the word when using dual form. Example: Talan (floor) becomes talam-(i) when referring to multiple floors. This will come in later lessons, although there is little information on this interesting phenomenon. These variations are apparently a leftover from “Qenya”, the first version of Quenya. Next summary hopefully next Thursday. Just a thought, does Thursday seem like a good day to post summaries? It would give you all weekend to work on it if you had to…
VOCABULARY
atta "two"
hen (hend-) "eye"
ranco "arm"
ando "gate"
cirya "ship"
aiwë "bird"
talan (talam-) "floor"
nér (ner-) "man" (adult male of any sentient race – Elvish, mortal or otherwise)
nís (niss-) "woman" (similarly: adult female of any sentient race)
sar (sard-) "stone" (a small stone – not "stone" as a substance or material)
alda "tree"
oron (oront-) "mountain"


EXERCISES
1. Translate into English:
A. Hendu
B. Atta hendi (and answer: what is the difference between this and hendu above?)
C. Aldu
D. Atta aldar (and answer again: what is the difference between this and Aldu above?)
E. Minë nér ar minë nís.
F. I sardi.
G. Talami.
H. Oronti.

2. Translate into Quenya:
I. Two ships (just any two ships that happen to be seen together)
J. Two ships (that happen to be sister ships)
K. Arms (the two arms of one person)
L. Two mountains (within the same range; Twin Peaks, if you like – use a dual form)
M. Double gate (use a dual form)
N. Two birds (that have formed a pair)
O. Two birds (just any two birds)
P. Men and women.

[Elvin Motricé]

Ok, I have some catching up to do. I'll edit in the lesson three in this post when I've finished it. Before I make this post I have to make a comment to prevent the misuse of words. In lesson two you vocabulary list contained mine, vende, tari and lie. These words are written incorrect and since you use them correct in lesson three I assume you know how to write them. The correct words are:
mine=>minë
vende=>vendë
tari=>tári
lie=>lië

Ok, here are the excercises from lesson two (they should be correct for I've checked them afterwards with the key included in the course. The plural of lië as it stands in the course is lier)

Quenya => English
1) horses
2) king
3) the horse
4) the horses
5) kings
6) one people under one king
7) the king and the queen
8) maidens

English=>Quenya
1) tasari
2) Eldar
3) i arani
4) lier
5) I rocco nu i tasar
6) I vendë ar i tári
7) I tári ar i vendi
8) Anar ar Isil

[Scatha]

Err, Elvin, lesson one was posted by Calimehtar, the next lesson by Eöl, who was kind enough to take over for Calimehtar. ;)

You did well on the first round of translations btw.

[Elvin Motricé]

Ah well, then I must apoligize. I though it was simply another login from the same person. But still it was rather confusing to me so when I went to read through the course i found those errors in the second lesson so I posted them just to make sure that nobody studied them in a wrong way. :) Sorry about the misunderstanding.

[Scatha]

I know you meant well, Elvin. :)

All members of these forums are just allowed one login each, if you remember this there will be no misunderstandings in future.

[Eöl]

Elvin Motrice, you are welcome to join us in learning Quenya! If you could post the answers to lesson three that would be great!

[Elvin Motricé]

Lesson Three

Quenya => English
A) a pair of eyes
B) two eyes (atta hendi assosiates two eyes that are not commonly associated while hendu associates a natural pair of eyes for example)
C) The Two Trees
D) Two trees (atta aldar associates just two trees while aldu associates two trees that are seen as a pair, like the Two Trees of Valinor)
E) One man and one woman
F) The stones
G) Floors
H) Mountains

English => Quenya
I) atta ciryar
J) ciryat
K) rancu
L) orontu
M) andu
N) aiwet
O) atta aiwi
P) neri ar nissi

[Wonko The Sane]

Are we meant to post our answers to the excercises in this thread, or to merely use the excercises on our own and learn that way?

[Milonna]

How is Quenya diffrernt from Sindarin?

[Wonko The Sane]

Might I have som response on my last question please? :-/:confused:

[Scatha]

Milonna, Quenya is the language spoken by the valar. Sindarin is the native language spoken by the Sindar elves, which has become the foremost spoken elven language at the end of the third Era.


Wonks, I believe Eol has stopped teaching. So unless we find another candidate, the only place to earn Quenya is on the languages forum.

[Wonko The Sane]

Darn. Ok.
Well...thanks anyway.
The few posts he's made here are a big help anyway. :)

[Scatha]

Wonks, you still could download the entire course at:

Ardalambion (http://www.ardalambion.com)

That way you can still study Quenya, but at your own pace.

[Wonko The Sane]

Thank you! :) I have that site saved on my favourites!
:)

[Scatha]

My pleasure Wonks. :)

[Eöl]

Well, my summer break is coming up soon...And if I could get some assistance, I would love to start up the lessons again. I'm just too busy with school right now.

[Scatha]

That would be appreciated, Eol. I am willing to assist you, but have not much experience with quenya, as I am still doing the course at home myself. :)

[Eöl]

I look forward to it! And, by the way, the only Quenya experience I have is as far as we have gone in these lessons...Only two! So don't worry about it.

[Scatha]

Okie dokie, Eol. Just give a holler when you're ready to start it up again then. :)

[Wonko The Sane]

I am eager to learn Quenya through this thread because actually taking the time to do it on the website is probably too time-consuming and complicated for lazy little me. :)

So thanks Eöl! :) I appreciate your guidance!

[xime i love OB]

hi can i join pls?
i wanna learn!!!!!

[Scatha]

All members can join the Quenya classes, as soon as we start them up again, xime i love OB.

[Wonko The Sane]

Will there be Sindarin lessons as well?

[Scatha]

*scratches his head* Errr.... *points at the topic of the thread*

I think not, because I know nothing about sindarin as of yet... and won't even try it until I have Quenya down myself.

[Eöl]

Will there be Sindarin lessons as well?

Probably not Wonko, unless someone else wants to take charge of that.:( Quenya has much more written about it than Sindarin.

[Wonko The Sane]

But wasn't Sindarin the language spoken by the elves during the war of the ring?