Students of Elvish language thread

[BlackCaptain]

Well, I have no idea how to speak elvishl, and i want to badly. Can anyone give some lessons? This thread could be a thread for learning Elvish language. please?:(

[MacAddict]

I'd like to learn Elvish but I want to learn Black Speech too:D . How could i go about this? Or where should I go to find out?


~MacAddict

[BlackCaptain]

oo!
I know in black speach:
One ring to rule them all, one ring to...yada yada

Ash Nazg durbatuluk, Ash Nazg gimbatul, Ash Nazg tharantuluk, Agh-Burzum ishi Krimpatul!

So:

Nazg=Ring
Ash=One
Uluk=Them all
im pretty sure anyways...

[MacAddict]

Wow thanks MorgulKing!!! Now i have to commit to memory, then go see TTT again and start saying in the Lobby:D .
I have another question regarding Black Speech: In the see in TTT where the Southrons are marching into Mordor do you know what thier saying? That like my fave scene:D . Again Thank You!!!!!

~MacAddict

[Elennainie]

You guys should check out ardalambion.com if you'd like to learn Tolkien's languages. Also, you are welcome to join our Quenya course in the Guild of Tolkienology (thread entitled "Common Quenya Course"). You'd have to catch up to lesson 6, but we'd be glad to help you along the way. :)

[BlackCaptain]

thanks ALOT!!!

[Lomion]

Yes www.ardalambion.com is great for Tolkien Linguistics. The Quenya course on there is superb! If you want to learn Sindarin I suggest going over to www.councilofelrond.com and checking out their Sindarin course.
Namarie an si.

[Ynhockey]

Hmm, let's see...

Ach Nazg = One Ring, so Nazg = ring.

Let's say
Nazgul = ringwraith, so Gul = wraith.

Barad Dur = the Dark Tower, so Dur = tower.

From that we can find out that
Dol Guldur = something wraith tower...

but it doesn't make sense. Can anyone say what those really mean ?

[AaronShaw]

You are right, Nazg is ring however, Nazgul means something more like "Ring-Black-magic"

Barad Dur is actually Sindarin and means "dark tower". Barad being tower, and Dur meaning dark in lenited form

[33Peregrin]

You guys should got the site Lomion mentioned. They have all kinds of languages, including the Black Speech. There is a whole bunch of information on it there. There is even a small list of words. I'm going to take the Qeunya course!!!!:) :) :)

[BlackCaptain]

Originally posted by AaronShaw

Barad Dur is actually Sindarin and means "dark tower". Barad being tower, and Dur meaning dark in lenited form

Dur is lenited? since when? The articles that cause lenition arent in front of it?

[darkjedi]

If you want to learn Elvish this site is awesome:
www.grey-company.org
It has a word search and dictionary, common phrases and sayings. It's pretty cool.

[Aiwendil2]

Actually, the Grey Company site listed above does not teach Tolkien's Elvish languages. "Grey Company" Elvish bears almost no resemblance to the languages of Middle-earth. The people who created the site merely made up their own language, which bears a slight phonetic resemblance to Quenya.

The best site to go to to study Tolkien's languages is Ardalambion, as given above.

[Wonko The Sane]

I want to learn Elvish!!
:)

[AaronShaw]

>>Dur is lenited? since when? The articles that cause lenition arent in front of it?<<

quite right, I was thinking lenition in compounds (thinking the lenited form of tur "mastery victory" instead of dur "dark"). My bad :)

[BlackCaptain]

Woah?!?! Did I just correct an expert on Sindarian?!?!?!

[AaronShaw]

>>Woah?!?! Did I just correct an expert on Sindarian?!?!?!<<

For sure mellon nin :). You caught me ;-)

[Wonko The Sane]

How do you learn Elvish or the Black Speech?
There isn't like...a langauge dictionary anywhere is there?!

[The_Swordmaster]

Wonks the best site was mentoined before is www.ardalambion.com

[Wonko The Sane]

Thank you!! As if I wasn't enough of a dork already!
It's time to learn Sindarin!! :)

[Luthien_7]

The best (in my opinion) dictionary in Sindarin is Dragon Flame. You can download it here (http://www.geocities.com/almacq.geo/sindar/sdintro.html) .

[Wonko The Sane]

Thanks for the link! I was in HUGE need of a Sindarin dictionary. Unfortunately the site said it was undergoing updates or something...

Maybe I didn't do it right?

[Luthien_7]

I found better place where you can download it. It is here (http://www.geocities.com/almacq.geo/sindar/index.html)

[Cian]

Originally posted by AaronShaw
You are right, Nazg is ring however, Nazgul means something more like "Ring-Black-magic"

Nazgul is Black Speech, in which language Tolkien translates gûl as: 'any one of the major invisible servants of Sauron dominated entirely by his will.' ~JRRT

Sindarin Dol Guldur ~ gûl means 'magic, sorcery'.

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[BlackCaptain]

www.councilofelrond.com is the best place in my eyes. It gave me a good basic knowledge of the language.

[Luthien_7]

Originally posted by BlackCaptain
www.councilofelrond.com is the best place in my eyes. It gave me a good basic knowledge of the language.

I agree with you BlackCaptain. I'm learning Sindarin right now and this is the best site where you can learn it :)

[BlackCaptain]

It's got a great system where u can learn, and then after uve learned one section, you can excersize what u learned with a moderator making any corrections. Its the best way to go. Its even got a dictionary.:D

[Wonko The Sane]

There's also a thread in the guild of elves called

**Quenya Lessons**

Which is a big help as well. :)

[Ledreanne313]

Originally posted by Ynhockey
Hmm, let's see...

Ach Nazg = One Ring, so Nazg = ring.

Let's say
Nazgul = ringwraith, so Gul = wraith.

Barad Dur = the Dark Tower, so Dur = tower.

From that we can find out that
Dol Guldur = something wraith tower...

but it doesn't make sense. Can anyone say what those really mean ?

First of all...Barad Dur isn't Black Speak. It's Elvish for DArk Tower (more like tower dark) So dur is dark and barad is tower.
Dol Gulder means something rather like black land.
Gul doesn't mean wraith. Nazgul is one word meaning ringwraith, which is one word.
Th ring saying is right. that is very easy to translate.
Just wanted to let you know!

Anne

[BlackCaptain]

Dol Guldûr litterally means 'Hill of Dark Sorcery'. Dol, wich is 'Head of a Hill' is just shortened to 'Hill' and Gul and Dûr put together equal 'Dark Sorcery'.
And Nazgûl literally means 'Ring Sorcery'. But it's commonly reffered to as Ringwraiths for some reason...
Yes, Gul means land, but Gûl, wich is found in Nazgûl, means Sorcery. Nazg means Ring, Gûl means sorcery. Wraiths can be associated with Sorcery, so that must be why Nazgûl means Ringwraiths.
And I never said Ringwraith means 'Ring sorcery'.

Please refrain from posting many posts in a row!

[Ledreanne313]

nevermind nevermind
I couldn;t find my book. I found it. your right. Terribly sorry for the confusion (or maybe just my confusion). Oop:eek:

Anne

[Wonko The Sane]

Did I post this link before?

www.elendor.net

It has a translator at the bottom of the page. :) It's a HUGE help!