Testings and Rankings- PLEASE READ

[FoolOfATook]

Brothers And Sisters of the Guild:

The Ranks:
Level 1) Novice - entry level with no test or requirements
Level 2) Apprentice - basic first level rank requiring knowledge of The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings (Test required)
Level 3) Journeyman - Requires reading of the Silmarillion (Test required)
Level 4) Sr. Journeyman - Requires reading of the Unfinished Tales (Test required)
Level 5) Expert - Requires reading Letters and some HoMe (Test required)
Level 6) Master - Requires extensive knowledge of all of Tolkien's works. (Extensive test required) Also, this rank will likely require either an advanced skill in Quenya or a high degree of knowledge about the life and works of J.R.R. Tolkien (and when I say high degree of knowledge, reading Carpenter's biography isn't enough. My Tolkien test will be a real beast ;)) However, Grond and the rest of the leadership of the Guild (and leaders who are only nominal, such as myself ;)) have yet to reach an "official" position about this.
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So far, only a relative handfull of Guild members have indicated what rank they seek to test for, or to defend. The only ones are:

Grond- Expert (Untill I can convince him that if he isn't a Master Tolkienologist NONE of us have any hope of that rank ;))
Beleg_strongbow- Senior Journeyman
Anamatar IV- Senior Journeyman
gilgalad(The Irish one ;))- Senior Journeyman
Celebrien- Senior Journeyman
Lhunithiliel- Senior Journeyman
Gate7ole- Journeyman
Finduilas- Journeyman
Gil-Galad(The Bulgarian one;))- Senior Journeyman
Goldmare- Apprentice
Froggum- Apprentice

This means that thirty-something members still haven't gotten up with me about this. Everyone, please let me know as soon as possible what your plans are here! I'd really like to get this part of my new testing gig out of the way. I've said before that I'd like to get through the Apprentice and Journeyman tests first, but I'm more than willing to test anyone going for a rank below Master this weekend. If you have any questions, please send me a PM, or an e-mail, or get up with me on MSN Messenger. All of the relevant addresses are in my profile. Anyone who is thinking about trying for Master, please PM me so we can discuss the specifics (if the rest of the tests are thought of as exams, the Master test will be more like a PHD candidate's orals).

Thank you

[gilgalad]

FoolofaTook,

Have you decided what happens to a person who fails a test yet?

Your Friend
gilgalad

[gate7ole]

Test me for Master (but only the part about Quenya that I'm currently learning). Just kidding of course. I don't think that they are many people in this forum generally that can be considered Masters.
As for me, just a Journeyman please.

all days at 22:00-00:00 GMT

[Lhunithiliel]

Common, Gate!
You can surely be at least Sr.J. ! ;) :) :cool:

[Galdor]

Hey, I don't wish to join the guild, but could you tesf me for Master? I just want to see how good I can do on it. If you don't want to bother giving the test to people who aren't going to join the guild then just let me know and I'll understand.

[FoolOfATook]

Galdor, once I finish testing the Guild, I'd be willing to test you for Master. But if you pass it, I'd really hope that you would join.

[Finduilas]

I'd like to be tested for Journeyman.Should I pm FoolOfATook

[FoolOfATook]

If you could PM me about setting up a time for you to take the test, that would be great, Finduilas.

[Galdor]

Ok, thanks, just tell me when you're ready. And btw, I seriously doubt I could get even close to passing it.

[Gil-Galad]

I would like to be tested for Senior Journeyman.FoolOfATook do you have MSN?We can talk about the date of the test.

MSN:maksimbaldzhiev799@hotmail.com

[FoolOfATook]

Brothers and Sisters Of The Guild:

I'm quite pleased with the number of you who have already gotten in touch with me about the tests, and I hope that those of you who haven't yet will contact me at their earliest convenience.

I am pleased to announce that tommrow the testing will officially begin, as Gate7ole, Finduilas and Beleg_Strongbow will be taking the tests. I will have time to test several others tommorrow, so if that would be good for your schedule, please send me a PM or talk to me on MSN or AIM as soon as you can.

On behalf of the Guild, I'd like to wish the best of luck to Finduilas, Gate7ole and Beleg_Strongbow, and to every single Guild member on the tests.

[Scatha]

FoolOfATook,

I am not yet a member of this guild, but I'd like to test for the Apprentice, having read the books multiple times. I have read the silmarillion, but just once so far. Should I pass the test, then i'd be willing to join the guild and prove myself worthy of the title.

[Melian]

Well, I'm an Expert now, but I see i have to read the Letters. I don't think I can find them so maybe I should be now a Sr. Journeyman?

[FoolOfATook]

Okay, I'm glad to announce that this evening, I'll be doing the first rounds of testing. Scheduling is first come, first serve- whoever responds to me over MSN Messenger first gets to test first. I should be on pretty much non-stop after 8:00 PM EST. Tonight, I'll only be doing tests over MSN Messenger, and I'll only be doing tests for Sr. Journeymen and lower. Since I can only think of one member who has their eyes set on Expert right now, I don't think that this will be too much of an issue. I'll hopefully have time to test five or six Guildmembers tonight, and that's a conservative estimate.

My MSN username is ncsutook@hotmail.com
If I'm in the process of testing someone, my status will be "Busy", if my status isn't "busy", then I'm free to test someone.

Thanks for your cooperation and good luck on the tests.

-FoolofATook

[MATTMAN]

Could you be so kind and alow me to take the apprentice test. Thank you for your doing.

[FoolOfATook]

First things first- On Monday, two Guild members in very good standing challenged for rankings, and it is with a good deal of pleasure that I announce that Anamatar IV has earned the rank of Senior Journeyman, and Gate7ole has earned the rank of Journeyman. Both passed the tests in a most convincing manner, and truly earned their ranks.

Secondly- This Friday, starting around 6:00 PM EST, I'll be free to test any and all comers. If Friday evening, or Friday night, or even early on Saturday morning is a good time for you, either PM to set up a time, or just send me an instant message over MSN Messenger whenever my status isn't "Busy" and we'll go ahead and get your test out of the way. Unfortunately, I still don't have tests that I'm fully comfortable with for the Expert and Master ranks, but everyone else I'm more than prepared for.

Thirdly- I don't have a third point. Now I'm just deliberately wasting your time. ;)

Good Luck to everyone, and if you bump into Gate7ole or Anamatar IV, don't forget to congratulate them on their impressive test performances.

At your service,
FoolofATook, esquire

[Melian]

Well, esquire, I don't mind your lingering with the expert tests, since obviously I'll lower my rank:) The longer it takes you to make them up, the longer I'll retain my expertship:D

And, now seriously, I'd like to congratulate you on the hard job you've undertaken. I guess it's not easy hanging here all friday night! So thank you on the behalf of the whole Guild.

[Beleg]

FOAT is it possible that you will be avalable to take the tests next week? I am asking this 'cause I am having my Permotion test and can only get randomly online. Oh and Congs Anamatar and Gate;) We all knew you'd pass with flying color's.

[Ecthelion]

I have a few questions:

*I don't have MSN Messenger I only have AIM, will I still be allowed to take tests?

*Are all tests different for the same level i.e. two people are testing for Journeyman, will they both have different tests?

*And is their a time limit on tests?

[Gil-Galad]

FoolOfATook,I'm sorry I wasn't in i-net last week to pass the test.As you probably know I've been ill and I don't have the physical ability to pass it.When I get better and have some more time I'll inform you.Just prepare the test for me and when I pm you give it to me.
:)

[FoolOfATook]

*I don't have MSN Messenger I only have AIM, will I still be allowed to take tests?

Yes. I've got AIM (ncsutook is my id), but I never go on it. We can set up a time through private messages.

*Are all tests different for the same level i.e. two people are testing for Journeyman, will they both have different tests?

Okay, here's how it works- In my notebooks, and on my computer, I have hundreds out different questions, and everyone's test questions are drawn from this. I pretty much prepare each person's test individually, usually picking the questions I'll ask them right before I give them their test. There are some questions that I like so much that nearly everyone will have them.

*And is their a time limit on tests?

Yes and no. The way I give the tests, I ask you one question at a time, but I'm more than willing to let you pass on a question and return to it later, and I won't try to rush you through the test. I don't ask you the next question until you either answer the one before you, or announce your intentions to pass on it. Of course, if you spend 15 minutes on every question, I might begin to get suspicious.... ;)

When I get better and have some more time I'll inform you.Just prepare the test for me and when I pm you give it to me.

No problem Gil-Galad.

FOAT is it possible that you will be avalable to take the tests next week?

Absolutely.

[Morgoth]

I'd like to be tested for Journeyman. My email adress for messenger is anarki4ever@hotmail.com. When i'm online, test me

[FoolOfATook]

Okay, anyone interested in being tested- I'm on MSN right now, and I pretty much expect to be on for the next 8 or 9 hours, with only occasional breaks to eat, smoke and work on a William Blake/John Keats/Percy Bysshe Shelley paper due on Monday. Just send me a messge (ncsutook@hotmail.com)! Oh, and the Expert/Master tests still aren't prepared, but I know that's only deterring a handful of members...

[FoolOfATook]

It is with great pleasure that I announce that Ecthelion, one of our newest members, has achieved the rank of "Apprentice Tolkienologist" through testing. If you run into Echtelion, be sure to congratulate him for an impressive performance on the test.

Also, tonight saw Celebrien survive the grueling Senior Journeyman Test, and he has now proven himself worthy of the ranking Senior Journeyman. If you see Celebrien, remember to congratulate him for his achievement.

[Ecthelion]

Thanks FOAT and thanks everyone that I've met in the Guild so far, you are all nice and friendly and I feel great to be in a Guild with all of you. Thanks again.

-~Ecthelion~-

[Lhunithiliel]

Congratulations! :D

[FoolOfATook]

As I've mentioned to a few people in Private Messages, this Saturday I'm planning on freeing up a big chunk of time to administer tests. Now that the semester has begun to really pick up, I'm obligated to be a bit more stingy with my free time, so I'm trying to decide what kind of time-frame would be the best in terms of testing the most possible people. So, I'm asking everyone who A) Feels ready to take their ranking test now and B) Also has some free time this Saturday to post a message in this thread, saying which test they plan on taking and listing the times when they would be able to take the test. Since we're an international group, I think it best if people posted the hours when they could take the test in Greenwich Mean Time. To figure out the difference between your time and GMT, just look at the very bottom of the thread, where it says what time it currently is. It'll tell you how many hours of difference there are between your time and GMT. For example, as I write this it is 2:56 PM, EST. This is -5 Hours from GMT, where it is currently 7:56 PM. This is just one of those things where, by making everyone's individual task a bit harder, it make's the group's task easier, if you follow me.

So, to sum up. If you want to take your ranking test this Saturday, post a message like this:

Name: Foolofatook
Test: Sr. Journeyman
Times: 2:00 PM-11:PM, GMT.

One final note: I'm still haven't finished creating an "Expert" test that I'm comfortable with, so I'll only be able to test aspring Apprentices, Journeymen and Sr. Journeymen. However, since I can only think of one person who has indicated to me that they want to try for the "Expert" rank, and no one who has even mentioned considering trying for "Master", I don't think that this will be too large of an inconvenience. Besides, any aspiring Experts should be glad of any extra time I give them to prepare ;)

As always, any questions, concerns, ideas, hate mail, fan mail or bribery offers can be expressed to me through a private message, or by finding me on MSN Messenger under the username ncsutook@hotmail.com

Thanks for your cooperation and patience.

At your service,
FoolofATook

[FoolOfATook]

Just an brief announcement- I have some free time tonight, so for the next four hours or so, holler at me on MSN Messenger if you want to get tested.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

OK I just remembered I was in this guild... hmm. I think I'll take this test. I will also try to be more active as well.

[Ecthelion]

I'm new to MSN Messenger, how do I sign onto it and see the buddylist and stuff?:confused:

[Mithlond]

FOAT, do you have ICQ? I dont use MSN or AIM, only ICQ.
(i dont wanna use MSN or AIM unless i really have to..)

[FoolOfATook]

I'll download ICQ tonight. Checky my forum profile around 9:00 PM, EST to find out my user id number.

[FoolOfATook]

My Spring Break begins this afternoon, and since right now I have absolutely no plans, I'd like to try and take care of some testing over the next week. Please get in touch with me, either in this thread or through a PM and let me know if there is any time in the next week that would be good for you.

Thanks,
FoolofATook

[Celebithil]

I just got MSN im Ftballdk@aol.com I would like to take the test for S. Journeyman. I'd think about expert but ill try this first.

[Ecthelion]

For the Journeyman Test (on Silmarillion) is the Akallabêth and Of The Rings of Power and The Third Age on the test?

-~Ecthelion~-

[FoolOfATook]

Questions from both pop up on the tests, but it's unlikely to find more than one or two questions for either book on any given test, especially "On the Rings of Power".

[FoolOfATook]

It is with great pleasure that I announce two more rankings.

Finduilas has passed the test to become a Journeyman, and Celebithil has achieved the rank of Senior Journeyman. If you see either of them, remember to congratulate them on their acheivements.

[Húrin Thalion]

Yea, you can test em when you have the time, my msn is mansw@hotmail.com (imagine, even the email adress is boring, but hey, if you haven't got a life you haven't ;))

See you around.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by FoolOfATook
It is with great pleasure that I announce two more rankings.

Finduilas has passed the test to become a Journeyman, and Celebithil has achieved the rank of Senior Journeyman. If you see either of them, remember to congratulate them on their acheivements.
C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S !
By the way what was Finduilas pereformance?I'm curious cause I was the person who made her read Tolkien and sign in in the forum,so I'm interersting in her progress.:)

[Gil-Galad]

FoolOfATook,shall we continue our test?What would you say about Saturday?I'll be online between 21:00 and 01:00 GMT,see you .;)

[Tuilin]

FOAT, if you have some spare time would you bother with testing me for Apprentice and maybe in addition the journeymanparts(if that is possible of course) sometime?
Would that be possible even though I wouldnt be joining the guild?

[Bethelarien]

Alright, some stupid questions.

1) How many questions are on a test, say, for Journeyman?

2) What exactly does a test entail? How do I go about it?

3) Do I have to have IM?

[FoolOfATook]

1) How many questions are on a test, say, for Journeyman?

From the very begining, Grond and I decided on 15 questions per book on the tests. I'm this close to officially reducing that number to ten questions for each book on the Apprentice test, but to answer your question, the Journeyman test has a total of 75 questions, with one extra credit question.

2) What exactly does a test entail? How do I go about it?

So far, I've given all of the tests over MSN Messenger. The tests entail a series of short answer questions, although I am toying with the idea of varying the formats some, perhaps to include some sort of a short essay question on the higher level tests. I'm a long way away from making up my mind on this, though. The way the tests have worked so far is fairly simple- I ask a question, and then the person being tested either answers the question, asks me to clarify the question, or passes on the question.

3) Do I have to have IM?

Well, I suppose that if there's some sort of problem preventing you from being able to take the test over a messenger, or you simply can't bring yourself to take the test over a messenger, then other arrangements can be, well, arranged. I think that this would be done on a case-by-case basis.

I hope that helps. If anyone else has questions, please let me know.

[Bethelarien]

Originally posted by FoolOfATook
So far, I've given all of the tests over MSN Messenger. Well, I suppose that if there's some sort of problem preventing you from being able to take the test over a messenger, or you simply can't bring yourself to take the test over a messenger, then other arrangements can be, well, arranged. I think that this would be done on a case-by-case basis.

So since I don't have any form of IM (evil mother), I can still test, right? How would I go about that?

[Gil-Galad]

FOAT,when will we continue the test?I'm so impatient to pass it.......what about next week?or tonight?Please,you should have in mind that my time is GMT plus 2hours.

[Beleg]

Me too, can you post somewhere in the ranking thread(s) when you will be avalable in the next week or so. i really am looking forward to give the test. pwease? :) it is GMT +5 here.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

FOAT, we never finished my test on the UT...

I completed up to the Silmarillion questions, and I believe I still had 7 1/2 questions that I could get wrong. I will be on Wednesday night, would that be good?

[FoolOfATook]

I know that right now there are a lot of people who have tests that are sort of up in the air. This is because I've been snowed under with schoolwork lately, and I apologize for not being able to devote more time to the testing.

[Gil-Galad]

FOAT,tonight I'm waiting for you to finish my test.I hope you will be around as you have promised me.:(

[Eledhwen]

Perhaps we can all sit back awhile and let FoaT deal with his school work. It is more important that he passes those tests than that we get our Guild rankings. The school year has a couple of months to run (most UK exams are over by mid-June; I believe the US school year is similar), and he could do without this pressure right now.

[FoolOfATook]

I have only two things to say here.

1. Rank Testings are pretty much open again. Tests for Expert and Master levels do not exist yet, but since I'm not sure that anyone is even interested in taking those tests yet, I'm focusing more on working on the lower tests.

2. Sunday night/Monday morning (the difference between America and Bulgaria), Gil-Galad earned the rank of Sr. Journeyman, so big congratulations go to him. He passed the test easily, displaying impressive knowledge. :D

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by FoolOfATook
I have only two things to say here.

1. Rank Testings are pretty much open again. Tests for Expert and Master levels do not exist yet, but since I'm not sure that anyone is even interested in taking those tests yet, I'm focusing more on working on the lower tests.

2. Sunday night/Monday morning (the difference between America and Bulgaria), Gil-Galad earned the rank of Sr. Journeyman, so big congratulations go to him. He passed the test easily, displaying impressive knowledge. :D

Congratulations on his feat!!!
I knew he would do it!:)

[Gil-Galad]

FOAT,I want to thank you for finishing the test!I know how hard was for you to make it for me,because you are very busy with your school work.Thank you.:)

[FoolOfATook]

I'd like to announce that Finarfin, a newer member of the Guild, has earned the rank of Senior Journeyman, with an impressive showing on the tests, acing The Silmarillion and The Hobbit portions!

This next week, I should be online a whole lot, if you still need to be tested.

[Lhunithiliel]

I would very much like to congratulate all the GOT-members who have dared to pass the ranking tests successfully! :D
This is just wonderful to know that there are so many loremasters around!!! ;) :D

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
I would very much like to congratulate all the GOT-members who have dared to pass the ranking tests successfully! :D
This is just wonderful to know that there are so many loremasters around!!! ;) :D
hehe,you congratulate us,but do not speak of you.When will you pass the test for expert?Come on don't be shy,I know you can do it!

p.s."e haide moeto momche znaia che go jelaesh......"
(Skakauets,Hipodil)

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by Gil-Galad
hehe,you congratulate us,but do not speak of you.When will you pass the test for expert?Come on don't be shy,I know you can do it!

p.s."e haide moeto momche znaia che go jelaesh......"
(Skakauets,Hipodil)

Yes I too think that Lhun should try for an Expert and I'm sure she'll make it!

P.S. ..................na tebe ne ti trqbva joker......YOU CAN DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[Lhunithiliel]

Hey, you - skakauci takiva!!!

Are you both crazy?! :D :D :D

An "Expert"?! Even Grond didn't want to pass the test for this level!!!!!!!!!!
And me....I still haven't read enough from the HoMe-series....and, besides, I would certainly feel uncertain ;) :D to call myself an "Expert - Tolkienologist"! Still there is a long road to go to that title!

:rolleyes:

[Eöl]

Even Grond didn't want to pass the test for this level!!!!!!!!!!

Psh, if anyone deserves the 'Master' rank, it's Grond! Me and Foat nearly through ourselves into an existential quandary about that on MSN, why Grond did not aim higher. Oh well, congrats to all those who passed with flying colors...I know I didn't!;)

[Gil-Galad]

I too think that Grond deserves "Master" rank and also I think that Maedhros deserves it too.
And Lhun,do not be shy!How many times I should tell you that
YOU CAN DO IT!

[Beleg]

Somehow, I can never ever find Master Took online now-a-days. :mad: Uncle Took can you please tell me the times (In GMT) when you are online?

[Bethelarien]

Hey, Uncle Took! You haven't forgotten about me, have you? I thought we were starting Monday.

[Finrod]

i would like to be tested for Apprentice

Also, what happens if you don't pass a test?

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Bethelarien
Hey, Uncle Took! You haven't forgotten about me, have you? I thought we were starting Monday.
hehheeeee he often forgets test dates.........:D ;)

[FoolOfATook]

Also, what happens if you don't pass a test?

Torments unspeakable, Dantean in their cruelty.

Or you take a different version of the test a few weeks later. ;)

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by FoolOfATook
Torments unspeakable, Dantean in their cruelty.

Or you take a different version of the test a few weeks later. ;)
Tormnets like these I suffered today before the football match?Bad,bad FOAT;) :p

[Finrod]

please send me the test for apprentice

[Lhunithiliel]

Hi, Finrod! :)

To pass a test you should PM FoolOfATook 0 the Deputy Guild-Master and you can then arrange a date for your test.
The tests are passed on-line on msn.

If you wish to stay in our guild, please, read carefully the Application instructions-thread and you are welcome to tell us about you in Meet the Guild-thread :)

Lhun

[Gil-Galad]

I want to ask Finduilas to take the test for Sr.Journeyman.She has just finished UT and I think she will pass the test without any difficulties.

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by Gil-Galad
I want to ask Finduilas to take the test for Sr.Journeyman.She has just finished UT and I think she will pass the test without any difficulties.

:) GG, I told you I don't feel prepared yet. I'm not confident at all and with those exams in English here...I don't think I'll be able to do it.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Finduilas
:) GG, I told you I don't feel prepared yet. I'm not confident at all and with those exams in English here...I don't think I'll be able to do it.
hhehe Your exam is 20th June,so I expect to pass the test after this date.And don't tell me you are not prepared.I know you are!

[Lantarion]

I'd like to become a member as well...
Do the tests have to be taken in order, or can they be started from e.g. Journeyman?

[FoolOfATook]

No, the tests do not have to be taken in order- you can start with the Sr. Journeyman test...

[Lhunithiliel]

And...can I start from an Apprentice, please? ;) :)

I mean it! LOL

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
And...can I start from an Apprentice, please? ;) :)

I mean it! LOL

Oh, come on, Lhun!
I WON'T let you start from an Apprentice!!!!:mad: :mad: :mad:

Sr. Jorneyman is acceptable...!

[Eriol]

Originally posted by Lantarion
I'd like to become a member as well...
Do the tests have to be taken in order, or can they be started from e.g. Journeyman?

Watch out for Master Took, Lantarion -- his testses can be very tricksy, yes, gollum.

:cool: :D

[Gil-Galad]

hey,Lant,I'm glad you joined us!You are most welcome!And I would like to invite you to participate in the debates tournament if you want and in the Gallery of Characters,and also in all others activities in the Guild!

[Lantarion]

Woah, steady on! :D
haha, thank you ver much GG. But I'd like to actually be a member first.. ;)
When I am I'll check out all there is to be checked out.. When is the next debate?

[Lhunithiliel]

Hey, Lantarion, but do feel as a member already! :D

And if you wish, why not adding to your sig. the "Member of the Guild of Tolkienology" - line too? ;) :D :D

[Lantarion]

Yes, but what rank??
Is the test sent through PM or email or what?
:)

[Lhunithiliel]

Don't worry about the rank. I myself am with a "free" rank still and Master Took and the others are mad at me for that! ;) :D
But I stillcan't find the courage ;) to pass Master Took's tests! :D

But you are most welcome to add the line of being a member of our Guild! :)

[Eöl]

It's a great honor (and surprise) to have you with us Lantarion!:) The tests are administered via MSN or AOL Instant Messenger. Just to give you an idea of how hard they are, I passed by:

Reading UT once (probably should have read it twice)
Reading The Silmarillion twice
Reading Lord Of The Rings three times (probably should have read it four times)
Reading The Hobbit three times

That's for the Sr. Journeyman test. Lhun, I know you can easily pass that test, and probably the as-of-yet not created Expert test with a little work!

[Lhunithiliel]

Mhmmm... Sounds so easy!:rolleyes:
I might after all try.
What do you say Master Took? When could I enter your examination hall?

[Lantarion]

I wonder how I'm ever going to take the test though, if it's over MSN.. I'm in a different time zone from everybody else.. :(

[Eöl]

Like me, FoaT is a nerd...in other words he has plenty of time to spend online, especially now that summer break is here.:)

[Lhunithiliel]

Originally posted by Lantarion
I wonder how I'm ever going to take the test though, if it's over MSN.. I'm in a different time zone from everybody else.. :(
Don't worry! I'm in Europe too! :D

[FoolOfATook]

Like me, FoaT is a nerd...in other words he has plenty of time to spend online, especially now that summer break is here.

This is true... Don't worry Lanty- I've tested people in Europe before, and I'm sure we'll be able to find a time when we're both online. :)

[Bethelarien]

Hey, FoaT, when are we going to continue my test?

[Gil-Galad]

hoho......I see FOAT will spend many and long sleepless nights in order to make the tests for all from Europe.;)

[Manveru]

Does it mean there is some kind of queue?

I would really want to take the test:D

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Manveru
Does it mean there is some kind of queue?

I would really want to take the test:D
Welcome Manveru!!!You'll take it,but the problem is when,cause FOAT is always very busy.;) :cool: :p

[Manveru]

OK...maybe it's a silly question, but...
How many times is it enough to read book(s) when you want to pass the tests (for example--Apprentice)?

[Eriol]

Oh, I'd say if you have read all of them some 17 times it is enough.

:D ;)

Seriously, if you have a good memory and are an attentive reader, once should be enough. But who wants to read them once only???

[Lantarion]

I'm feeling really insecure about my LotR-test.. I haven't read it in a year, and I will have to remember facts off the top of my head..! :( I asked FoaT to postpone it, but I just started to re-read the Sil, and then I'll be on the Kalevala.. Blah!

[Beleg]

But who wants to read them once only???

I have only read Sil once, (That' is complete in one sitting) and I guess I can answer most of the Sil questions okay.:)
By the way since FOAT has left, will the tests continue?

[Lhunithiliel]

Well this is going to be somehow settled.:rolleyes:
I shall have to talk this matter with Took.

Any volunteers to take the testing procedures?

[Scatha]

FoaT left?

Err, and I haven't even gotten my test yet. :(

[Lhunithiliel]

Well, you all know that unfortunately FoaT left the Guild and this means that now we shall have to do sth. about the testing-ranking system.

Back in the "Elder Days" ;) :D when the questions to form up the tests were being gathered, Gate7ole and I covered a part of this work. I still have these on my computer.

The thing is that now we shall have to gather more questions in order to form up the new tests, as Took obviously will keep those from the old tests.

Therefore, here is what I suggest:

PM me with any number of question on any book and I will thus form up a question bank.
I am thinking of some opportunity that can let each member test her/himself independently ...but this is just an idea I have to discuss with some people.

So, I will be waiting for your questions.

Books to be covered:
The Hobbit; The LOTR, the Silmarillion, the HoMe volumes; the Letters; other works by T.

I count on your assistance! :)

[Gil-Galad]

I wonder what was the reason for FOAT's leaving the Guild?!Will he come back some day?:( :(
By the way I have a suggestion concerning the tests and rankings.First of all we need of a person who can be very often online in MSN Messenger,a person who can test those who wish as soon as possible.
From what I have seen so far such person is Fiduilas.She is almost every evening online and also nights,and mornings and afternoons.......What is more,she is now in Summer Holiday till September 15th and that means she will be able to be online even more often.:) ;) than all of us.
What would you say about my suggestion?Shall we give her the chance to test all of us?or at least those who want to be tested?

[Scatha]

Wel, I know next to nothing about Finduilas, but however can concur that she is online almost every night.

So if she is willing to perform the tests, then by all means let her.

[Finduilas]

I'm honoured to hear that you find me appropriate for this Rank.And I think that if you give me the chance I won't let you down.I'm very often on-line actually as GG said every night and I will be able to be on-line even more often now after my exam on Tuesday.
So just want you to know that I'll always be here for you.

[Manveru]

Great news, Finduilas:D
I hope to take my test in a short while;)
:D :D :D

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by Manveru
Great news, Finduilas:D
I hope to take my test in a short while;)
:D :D :D

LOL,have I been given the Rank Deputy of Testings and Rankings?
I think that still not so Manveru,if I become you'll be the first to take the test!;)

[Beleg]

Sure, she get's my bow. :)
I want to be tested for Apprentice Tolkienologist soon. :)

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by Beleg_strongbow
Sure, she get's my bow. :)
I want to be tested for Apprentice Tolkienologist soon. :)

Apprentice???!!!!!:eek:
Come on,Beleg! You'll only be tested for Jorneyman,Sr. Jorneyman or Expert!!!
No Apprentice for you! ;)

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Beleg_strongbow
Sure, she get's my bow. :)
I want to be tested for Apprentice Tolkienologist soon. :)

APPRENTICE?!!! Come on,as Fin said you are at least for Sr.Journeman status.I've passed the test and I can assure you,you'll pass it with closed eyes!
But,now we have to decide something,actually Lhun has make the decision.If we give that chance to Finduilas,is she going to become a Dep.?
Anyway,I think that Fin should take care of her new duties as soon as possible cause there are some members who still do not have any status,or they want to change theirs.(Lhun,that's for you,are you going to pass the test for at least "Expert"?)

[Lhunithiliel]

Originally posted by Finduilas
LOL,have I been given the Rank Deputy of Testings and Rankings?
I think that still not so Manveru,if I become you'll be the first to take the test!;)
Oh, my fair Finduilas, if only this could have been the problem!!!
It is wonderful if you could organize the testing procedure, but the most important thing now is to gather more questions in order to form the tests!
So far only Manveru has sent me a list of questions on the "Hobbit" and I thank him! :D

We need more! Much more!

And for those who will be sending me questions, don't forget to mark them as being "Apprentice" level or "Journeman" level etc.

Only when we have our question bank filled we can think of making the lists of questions for the respective test for each rank and ONLY then we can proceed.

Untill then, all members of the Guild - just feel free to contribute and don't mind the rank! ;) :D

You will have your tests, don't worry! :D

[Gil-Galad]

.......and I have a suggestion about the questions.
When we fill our bank with question we'll use them for the tests,but after some time all of them will be used more than several times.So they will have to be changed.That is why I suggest every 6 months or every 3 months to fill the bank with new questions.

[Lhunithiliel]

I am discussing with Gate7ole (as a computer expert) the possibility and the opportunity of making the tests computerized. :)

It IS possible to make it, Gate says, but still there are a few things to be decided and well thought of.

Therefore, I wish you could keep on sending to me the questions
BUT!!!!!!!
REMEMBER THIS:

1/ The questions should be formulated in such a way that they could have a "Multiple choice" - answer. Thus the person who is passing the test shall have to chose only one of the given options.

2/ When you send me the questions, please, send me the correct answer too ;) :D.

3/ Group your suggested questions for levels - i.e. "Journeman", "Sr.Journeman" etc.

AND PLEASE........... SEND QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!! :)

Only if I have enough number of them I will be able to start building up the groups for each test and provide it to the computer wizard Gate7ole to make the computerized version.

Scatha, I have just found out that you can not ONLY draw fantastically well :D, but you're also a computer specialist!!!! Would you care to contact Gate and discuss the computerized opportunity for the testing-ranking system? You both will certainly have valuable opinions to exchange!! :D

All right...

LET'S GET TO WORK ON THIS!
*******************************************

[gate7ole]

Just a note on Lhun's post.
I'm no computer expert:eek:

[Lhunithiliel]

Ooooo, don't be modest! ;) :D :D

[Manveru]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel:
So far only Manveru has sent me a list of questions on the "Hobbit" and I thank him!:D
You're welcome:)
I'll try to work out some more in the future, but ...
I have a small question since I haven't seen previous tests I am not sure about this 'level' (I mean...the more detailed question the higher level, right?;)).

[Lhunithiliel]

Well, at the very beginning of the present thread there should be an explanation on the Ranks and knowledge on which of Tolkien writings one should have in order to obtain a respective rank.

As for the difficulty of the questions:

Compare for example:
>> "When was Bilbo's birthday?" - Novice level
to
>> "How many direct heirs did Durin have and what were their names?" - Journeman
to
>> "Where did Eorl take his Oath?" - Senior Journeman
etc.

It is all related to the books one has read.

[Manveru]

Of course...silly me *hits the wall with his head*;)
Originally posted by FoolOfATook:
The Ranks:
Level 1) Novice - entry level with no test or requirements
Level 2) Apprentice - basic first level rank requiring knowledge of The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings (Test required)
Level 3) Journeyman - Requires reading of the Silmarillion (Test required)
Level 4) Sr. Journeyman - Requires reading of the Unfinished Tales (Test required)
Level 5) Expert - Requires reading Letters and some HoMe (Test required)
Level 6) Master - Requires extensive knowledge of all of Tolkien's works. (Extensive test required) Also, this rank will likely require either an advanced skill in Quenya or a high degree of knowledge about the life and works of J.R.R. Tolkien (and when I say high degree of knowledge, reading Carpenter's biography isn't enough. My Tolkien test will be a real beast ) However, Grond and the rest of the leadership of the Guild (and leaders who are only nominal, such as myself ) have yet to reach an "official" position about this.
Here's all...*hits the wall with his head once again*;);)

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
I am discussing with Gate7ole (as a computer expert) the possibility and the opportunity of making the tests computerized. :)

It IS possible to make it, Gate says, but still there are a few things to be decided and well thought of.

Therefore, I wish you could keep on sending to me the questions
BUT!!!!!!!
REMEMBER THIS:

1/ The questions should be formulated in such a way that they could have a "Multiple choice" - answer. Thus the person who is passing the test shall have to chose only one of the given options.

2/ When you send me the questions, please, send me the correct answer too ;) :D.

3/ Group your suggested questions for levels - i.e. "Journeman", "Sr.Journeman" etc.

AND PLEASE........... SEND QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!! :)


LET'S GET TO WORK ON THIS!
*******************************************
Just give me some days to think of some Questions and I'll send you a pm.

[FoolOfATook]

If you want the questions I had been using, all you have to do is ask. It would be a bit of a shame for them to go to waste, after all the work that was put into them. Plus, I'd like to see my legacy of maddening, tricksy questions live on in some way.

[Lhunithiliel]

Oh I have, Took, I HAVE!
Unfortunately, I got no answer, so I had to do sth.

[FoolOfATook]

Actually, you mentioned them- you didn't ask for them. But nevermind. If the Guild wants the questions, I'll spend the next week typing up the contents of my testing notebook, and formatting them into something that people other than myself understand. If you aren't interested in them, then that's fine- it saves me the work of trying to organize them. Like I said, it would be a shame to see them go to waste, but I won't be offended if you're not interested.

[Lhunithiliel]

Well, thank you! :)

I personally would appreciate it greatly!
And so, I am sure, would some people I have involved in the working out of new tests ;)

When you are ready, would you e-mail them to me, please?
*******

In any case this form of testing will work untill we get the final "verdict" from the WM on the computerized version.

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by FoolOfATook
Actually, you mentioned them- you didn't ask for them. But nevermind. If the Guild wants the questions, I'll spend the next week typing up the contents of my testing notebook, and formatting them into something that people other than myself understand. If you aren't interested in them, then that's fine- it saves me the work of trying to organize them. Like I said, it would be a shame to see them go to waste, but I won't be offended if you're not interested.
FOAT,I wonder whether you'll come back some day in the Guild.You know how much we love you and we really miss you.:( :(

[Lhunithiliel]

For those who are interested in passing ranking tests :

The computerized version is on the way!
It's being taken care of and when the program is ready it will be filled with the questions for the respective tests and we'll have it easily accessible.

[Gil-Galad]

I'm glad to hear it!Now,I hoper more people will pass the tests,including you Lhun :)

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by Gil-Galad
I'm glad to hear it!Now,I hoper more people will pass the tests,including you Lhun :)

Oh, yes she will!!!
And she will pass the Sr. Journeyman test...NO Apprentice for her!;)
I personally will prepare her test..!;)

[Lhunithiliel]

NOVICE I am!!! :o :o :o

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
NOVICE I am!!! :o :o :o

:mad:
I have spoken!
:mad:

Forbidden ranks for Beleg_strongbow and Lhunithiliel :

Level 1) Novice
Level 2) Apprentice
Level 3) Journeyman

Ranks which are allowed for Beleg_strongbow and Lhunithiliel :

Level 4) Sr. Journeyman
Level 5) Expert
Level 6) Master

Choose!:)

[Scatha]

Ehmmm, can I still apply for that journeyman test though? ;) :p :D

[Lhunithiliel]

For the moment, you can try it on-line with Finduilas

The computerized version is still under construction :(

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
For the moment, you can try it on-line with Finduilas

The computerized version is still under construction :(

NO!:eek:
I'm still not ready with the questions!!:eek:

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Finduilas
NO!:eek:
I'm still not ready with the questions!!:eek:
Bad,bad girl,you should have done them.You've got so much free time but these make you lose your mind again.Especially Hristo.

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by Gil-Galad
Bad,bad girl,you should have done them.You've got so much free time but these make you lose your mind again.Especially Hristo.

:mad: These things are personal!!
What's more ....anyway!:(

About the tests....YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MANY QUESTIONS THERE ARE!!!!!:eek:

[Lhunithiliel]

Take it easy, Findy! :)

Make them one by one. And you can always invite someone else from the Guild to help you! ;)

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Finduilas
:mad: These things are personal!!
What's more ....anyway!:(

About the tests....YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW MANY QUESTIONS THERE ARE!!!!!:eek:
o Findi,you should be flattered that so many boys like you and one even claims to love you!;)

[BlackCaptain]

Test me Test me! *claps hands and hops up and down*

Can I still take the test??:o

[Lhunithiliel]

LOL...

My Captain, the computerized version of testing and ranking will soon be here and then you can try it! ;) :cool:

[Mithrandread]

I, for one, will be glad when the tests come out. I should try for Journeyman, or Sr. Journeyman. Goodness knows, I've read The Hobbit, LOTR, The Silmarillion, and Unfinished Tales countless times. I only have some of the HoMe books, so I can't really go further than that until I come by the rest of them. I'll never make it to Expert or Master, but I'll be horribly shamed if I don't at least make it to Journeyman.

[BlackCaptain]

Haha... My captain... I'm beging to like the sounds of that:)

Oh.. well then how do all the people have rankings already? Have they taken a test?

[Manveru]

Yup... but much earlier;) It has been some small 'changes' in the guild recently as far as I know--some people left... one of them was responsible for the 'testing and ranking things'... (I came to late for the 'rank-things', too;)).
So, Captain, be patient and you'll get your rank soon...

[Lhunithiliel]

Originally posted by BlackCaptain
Haha... My captain... I'm beging to like the sounds of that:)

Oh.. well then how do all the people have rankings already? Have they taken a test?
Sure! I am just a humble wraith and you... You are THE Captain! ;) :D :D :D

[Beleg]

So, roughly when is the new testing software coming Lhun?

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Beleg_strongbow
So, roughly when is the new testing software coming Lhun?
Soon,Finduilas will be back from the sea in Sunday.;)

[Scatha]

Great, then I may finally start with at least getting myself that journeyman title. :)

[Lhunithiliel]

The testing - ranking page is almost ready. Last night Beorn and I have tried it and it works! :D

Now, when he transfers it to the boards I and Finduilas will have to form the tests themselves - meaning that we shall have to fill in the questions and the answer-options and then I will open a thread where I'll try to explain everything and I'll ask Beorn to also explain things if necessary...
The test works very simply and easily, so I don't think there will be any dificulties!

But .... all in all I think that by the end of this month we shall have it ready. :D

[Manveru]

Great news!! I'm looking forward to that:D

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel

But .... all in all I think that by the end of this month we shall have it ready. :D
And then you will probably pass the test for an expert!!!!!!1:D :D :D :cool: :p ;)

[Lhunithiliel]

Oh! We shall then have TWO Experts! :D - me and Findi! :D

Well...imagine what it will be for me or/and for her to pass the tests of ALL levels ...AFTER we have seen all the questions and all the right answers! :p :D :D

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
Oh! We shall then have TWO Experts! :D - me and Findi! :D

Well...imagine what it will be for me or/and for her to pass the tests of ALL levels ...AFTER we have seen all the questions and all the right answers! :p :D :D

I'd say it would be a great 'challange' ! ;)

Now that I'm back...until the end of the month when I'm going to my village again, I'll work on the questions night and day but I'll finish them just on time.You have my word. And I won't be unpatient to pass the Expert test...there's always time for that...;)

[Lhunithiliel]

The Quiz is ready !!!!!!

To make it work and available will be one of my "birthday presents" for the Guild! :D

[Manveru]

Now You're talking, boss...;)

Can't wait...

[Lhunithiliel]

Hehehe! :D

I have promissed to release it on the Guild's birthday and so I will do! I am a wraith of my word! ;) :D

[Lhunithiliel]

I would very kindly ;) ask everyone who is in the Main Members List to come here and let me know about the Guild Rank she/he has gained.
I will be then able to add it to the name at the above said List.

Please, first check in the List whether I have stated the right Rank for you and if it is OK then just let us know when you pass to a higher level in order to change it.

OK? :D

[Gil-Galad]

I am O.k with my rank.And I hope I'll be able to pass the expert level test in November,because I still have lots of things to read.:rolleyes:

[Lhunithiliel]

Khôr’nagan has reported he passed the Expert level of the Quiz!

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Tolkienologists!

We have an expert!!!!


Khôr’nagan, I will rely on you MORE THAN EVER now that you have proven your knowledge!
Don't let me down ...... please! :p :D

[Gil-Galad]

OOOoo a new expert!My dream.......
Just let me finish BOLT2 and I will pass the Expert level!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Lhunithiliel]

Black Captain reports he has passed third level of the Quiz.
That makes him a Sr.Journeman....


CONGRATULATIONS!!! :D

[Gil-Galad]

I'm glad our Captain is Sr.Journeyman,he has proved his cognition in Tolkien's world and works!!
CONGRATULATIOS

[Bethelarien]

Little Bethy finally got Sr. Journeyman. About time. :D

And congrats, Khor. I have to admit, I'm supremely jealous. :D

[Gil-Galad]

Originally posted by Bethelarien
Little Bethy finally got Sr. Journeyman. About time. :D

And congrats, Khor. I have to admit, I'm supremely jealous. :D
Congratulations Beth!!How's your biography of Arwen going?I hope everything is ok and you'll post it in time?;)

[Bethelarien]

I hope you won't be angry if I don't post it 'in time'. I'm having some major problems finding the resources I used the first time around. *grumbles about stupid viruses*

And thanks. I'll be trying as soon as possible (again) to get up to expert. I keep missing one too many questions. Grnt.

[Bethelarien]

And amazingly enough, I've passed the Expert test. But I got the Letters question wrong. I think I need to read that one again, hm?

[Gil-Galad]

CONGRATULATIOS t oour new EXPERT TOLKIENOLOGIST!!!

I'm still waiting for the biography!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Starbrow]

Yea! I passed the Journeyman's quiz. I guess I'll have to read the UT again so I can pass the Sr. Journeyman's one.

[Gil-Galad]

But you should do it very carefully cause the test is not as easy as the Journeyman level.

[Scatha]

Just passed the journeyman test, as promised to our beloved guildmaster, reading up to pass the next. ;)


GG, you're right, the SR journeyman test is not so easy. :)

[Lhunithiliel]

CONGRATULATIONS, SCATHA!!! :D

I changed your Rank in the Member List.

G-G, I am afraid I had to delete analovesvigo from the list. :(
...Hmmm...

I wonder.... did I scare her for not giving her a chance with Vigo? ;)

[Gil-Galad]

Yes,I think you should do it.
She entered only once in the forum to say she wanted to join us and that was everything from her.

I'm sorry to post it but Annalovesviggo will not receive membership in The Guild of Tolkienology.

[Scatha]

Hmmm, I have a small announcement to make:

I passed the Sr Journeyman test !!!


:D :cool: :p

[Gil-Galad]

Congratulations Scatha!!!You see?It wasn't that difficult!!!The Expert level is waiting for you know!!!

[Scatha]

I have not got all the HoME books, nor any of the UT. So I guess won't be taking the expert test. Passing it would be luck and that is not the way I wish to pass it.

[Finduilas]

Now being given the job of the new Deputy on New Members and Ranking and Testing ;), I would like to push you all a bit. ;)

First of all, I want to invite the new members :

-Finrod
-Morgoth
-Shaky_the_Mohel

to take the ranking test and prove their knowledge, which, I have no doubt! , is a lot! ;)
After that, please, report to me of the Rank you have taken and after the one-month period, if you are accepted, you will have the chance to use your Rank officially. ;)
I also want to invite ALL members who have no ranking passed to take the test and get one! :)

Secondly, the other members, please, try again and again...;) You can do it! No lower than Expert, you know...:rolleyes: ;) But if you wish no higher Rank, that 's ok.:)

And finally, please post here the rankings you have passed!!!

Thank you and GOOD LUCK!!!
:)

[Scatha]

Congrats Findi. :)

In regards to my rank, I will not consider myself to be an expert. Some of the books that are required reading for it, I cannot even get, so aiming for higher is just not an option for me.

[Gil-Galad]

Don't worry Scatha,you have all the time you want and need ;) :)

[Gil-Galad]

Don't worry Scatha,you have all the time you want and need ;) :)
The more important thing at the moment is all members who don't have
any rankyet to pass the Quiz and to report their results.Thus I will be able to make the new member list of The Guild.:)

[Scatha]

That might be a good thing, GG. Provided they do have the time. ;)

[Gil-Galad]

Having in mind that the quiz is not that difficult I believe everybody who do not have a rank yet,can pass it for half an hour.It is not such a big deal as you can see ;) :)

[Helcaraxë]

I made apprentice. Yay!

MB

[Morgoth]

I made Apprentice. I tried Journeyman and failed (stupid mistakes on my part). Then I tried Sr. Journeyman and failed by 1 MARK!!!!
It's not fair!!!!!:(

[Gil-Galad]

What does that mean? ;)
That you have to read more and more Tolkien ;):p

[Morgoth]

I know. Isn't it a tragedy ;). Best get started.....

[Scatha]

Yeah, the Sr Journeyman test is not that easy as one thinks. I failed it on my first try too.

[Finduilas]

Ok, here are the results of the testing period for two of our 'candidate'-members.;) They are all based on the voting of some of the honourable members of the Guild of Tolkienology!

Morgoth:

WELCOME, MORGOTH! ;)
You're accepted in our honourable Guild and given the status Proud Member of the Guild of Tolkienology! Please (if you want;)) insert this message in your signature and as well as your Rank passed (Apprentice in your case;)).
Also, I expect you to take the Higher tests too and pass them;).

Finrod:

Unfortunately, I have to anounce that Finrod has not passed the testing period. However, he still has the chance to reapply and prove his wilingness to be part of this place in another one-month testing period.:)

The two members will receive PM's with the reasons for their acceptance/refusal of membership.

Good luck and START TAKING THIS QUIZ!!!!! ;)

[Morgoth]

Thank you so much for accepting me into the guild. Eternally grateful.

[Barliman Butterbur]

OK, I passed the first test. I will actually have to STUDY for the next one (haven't been into Silmarillion for a while). That will come after I get over this sore throat.

—Lotho

[Finduilas]

CONGRATULATIONS!!!:D

Now, you can include your Rank in your signature, if you want.

[Barliman Butterbur]

Originally posted by Finduilas
CONGRATULATIONS!!!:D

Now, you can include your Rank in your signature, if you want.

Aha! thanks, but I'll wait until I pass a few more tests.

("Hope brings death"???!!! Isn't that just a tad dreary? Am I missing something?)

—Lotho

[Barliman Butterbur]

In the second test, it is asked "Which battle started the First Age of Middle-earth?" As far as I can tell there was no battle that STARTED it, unless you count what happened at the Noldor's return.

The First Age began when the sun rose for the first time, no?

By the way, the abc choices of some of the questions are out of order, and one is abb instead of abc.

There appears to be no way to check the answers, it's pass or not.

The way this test is set up doesn't really make it seem to be worth going on with — disappointing.

—Lotho

[Finduilas]

I thinkt that the question actually asks which Battle starts in the First Age...

As for the answers, when you take a level, in the end there're shown the questions you have gone wrong and if there are NO questions it means they are ALL right. But if there are there're also marks which show which are the correct ones and which are the wrong you have chosen. That's it.
The quiz has it's mistakes as every machine and we will fix them , but it checks your knowledge and definetely is worthy doing!!!!!

But it's up to you, if see it pointless, then just stop taking it. We'll enter your Apprentice Rank in the Member List.

[Barliman Butterbur]

Originally posted by Finduilas
I thinkt that the question actually asks which Battle starts in the First Age...

As for the answers, when you take a level, in the end there're shown the questions you have gone wrong and if there are NO questions it means they are ALL right. But if there are there're also marks which show which are the correct ones and which are the wrong you have chosen. That's it.
The quiz has it's mistakes as every machine and we will fix them , but it checks your knowledge and definetely is worthy doing!!!!!

But it's up to you, if see it pointless, then just stop taking it. We'll enter your Apprentice Rank in the Member List.

I guess I got everything right on the first test then, because it just said that I passed.

Well, maybe I should wait until I get well. It's hard to move myself to to what's required right now. I'll probably feel better later.

—Lotho

[Lhunithiliel]

Hmmm... What you're reporting seems more like some technical problems...But I will check it all. I promise!

[Finduilas]

Originally posted by Lotho_Pimple
I guess I got everything right on the first test then, because it just said that I passed.

—Lotho

Yes, I took the Apprentice too and without mistakes. Your situation is the same. If nothing shows up then you have no mistakes. Congratulations.:)

[Barliman Butterbur]

Originally posted by Finduilas
I think that the question actually asks which Battle starts in the First Age...


No, the question reads: "Which battle started the First Age of Middle-earth?"

—Lotho

[Lhunithiliel]

Lotho, now everything should be OK with the Quiz. I checked it and corrected what mistakes and faults I could see.

Give it a try. :)

[Morgoth]

I passed Journeyman! There's a problem with the program that quiz runs on though. All the times i've done it, it says i've failed, even though i haven't, and when I go back to check on the quiz main menu, it says I passed. Most peculiar :confused:

[Lhunithiliel]

Hmmm....:confused:
Do you have access to the next level?
If you do, then it's all right.
But I'll see to it.

[Morgoth]

What do you mean access to the next level? :confused:
I've always been able to access all the tests, if thats what u mean.
Anyway, I'm a journeyman now, so i'm happy.

[Barliman Butterbur]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
Lotho, now everything should be OK with the Quiz. I checked it and corrected what mistakes and faults I could see.

Give it a try. :)

Okay, thanks. Now — How do I get there?:eek:

—Lotho

[Lhunithiliel]

Originally posted by Lotho_Pimple
Okay, thanks. Now — How do I get there?:eek:

—Lotho
LOL :D

Follow the white rabbit (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/quiz.php) ;)

BTW, I passed the Journeyman (again! :p :D) and it was OK! It just said I passed and I could go to the nex level. Where is the problem?:rolleyes:
However, I PM-ed the software developer to check it too.

[Barliman Butterbur]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
LOL :D

Follow the white rabbit (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/quiz.php) ;)

BTW, I passed the Journeyman (again! :p :D) and it was OK! It just said I passed and I could go to the nex level. Where is the problem?:rolleyes:
However, I PM-ed the software developer to check it too.

Thank you, thank you! I bookmarked the page so I won't have the trouble again. And if I run into any more burps or hiccups, I'll let you know.

—Lotho

[Úlairi]

Put me up for an Expert testing. ;) I may not pass, as I haven't really bothered with all the Letters of JRRT, if it requires the knowledge of them all, then I'll just forget the test altogether! Perhaps a list of the knowledge required (criteria) would indeed be of use.

[Finduilas]

Put me up for an Expert testing. ;) I may not pass, as I haven't really bothered with all the Letters of JRRT, if it requires the knowledge of them all, then I'll just forget the test altogether! Perhaps a list of the knowledge required (criteria) would indeed be of use.

Well, you go and take it.;)
You don't have to be in a list to take it. If you pass it,however, your mark will be written down in the Member List Thread.

For Expert you need a wide knowledge on HOME and the Letters. Of course, before the Expert level you have to pass the other tests, otherwise you don't have access.;)

Good luck and imform us of the results.:)

[Úlairi]

So, where can I take the tests? Also, I noticed indeed that my testing period ended yesterday, but I haven't been tested yet, unless it is indeed a test of presence here in the Guild, in which case I obviously failed. However, you need to forgive me, I needed the time to go over some of the texts and get the feel of it all again.

[Finduilas]

Hmm...here's the link of the link of the Quiz.:)

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?t=12976

When you click on QUIZ it is supposed to open the page with the quizes for every rank. But there seems to be some kind of mistake, I can't open it. Lhun? :confused:

[Úlairi]

Hmm...here's the link of the link of the Quiz.:)

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?t=12976

When you click on QUIZ it is supposed to open the page with the quizes for every rank. But there seems to be some kind of mistake, I can't open it. Lhun? :confused:

Yeah, I already tried that a long time ago, but it wasn't even working then. That Quiz hasn't been working for ages! ;)

[Lhunithiliel]

I am truly sorry for this inconvenience!
I have talked to the software developer - Beorn about it and he said that with all the changes in TTF we shall have to wait a bit more for the Quiz to start functioning again. :(

We shall have to show understanding and patience.

Also, I am preparing some changes... some updates of the questions in various levels. I am too waiting to be allowed to the Administration pannel of the Quiz to start working on them.

Patience, my "brother"! ;) :)

[Manveru]

Haven't been here for a little while...
But now... little by little, I'm recalling all that I used to know about T. and Middle-earth...
In this case...
I'm "dropping off" my rank...

I'm free... rank free...

:D

[Úlairi]

I am truly sorry for this inconvenience!
I have talked to the software developer - Beorn about it and he said that with all the changes in TTF we shall have to wait a bit more for the Quiz to start functioning again. :(

We shall have to show understanding and patience.

Also, I am preparing some changes... some updates of the questions in various levels. I am too waiting to be allowed to the Administration pannel of the Quiz to start working on them.

Patience, my "brother"! ;) :)

Indeed, my apologies, I seem to have an affinity for jumping to conclusions. ;)

[Gil-Galad]

Well,Ulairi,you can share your ideas with our two beautiful ladies-Lhun and Findi and they will take care of the Quiz.
I am glad somebody wants to improve the question.As a matter of fact we need to change the questions permanently,in order to make the Quiz more interesting.
Let's first fix the Quiz,and then we can talk about the new questions,I would be glad if I receive a list with possible new questions. :)

[Scatha]

The number of questions should be drastically improved upon and the questions on the different books be picked at random, so no two tests are similar. This will increase the level of difficulty and prevent the 'cheat factor' of writing down the correct answers. :)

[Gil-Galad]

Exactly Scatha,there should be more versions of every level.Otherwise we cannot be sure that everybody is completely honest.

[Úlairi]

Or, we could have the same questions, but create a 'programmed jumbler' in which it rotates the questions in a random fashion for each section. Might be easier than organizing a million different tests, and it would throw a few people off. How do they write down the correct answers anyway? Unless you give it to them!

[Gil-Galad]

I know what you mean,but I am afraid that it will be difficult to create such a "programmed jumbler".It will depends on Beorn and the software.
As Lhun said the Qiuz will not be working for at least a month,so we can use this time to make new questions,ideas etc.

[Úlairi]

I know what you mean,but I am afraid that it will be difficult to create such a "programmed jumbler".It will depends on Beorn and the software.
As Lhun said the Qiuz will not be working for at least a month,so we can use this time to make new questions,ideas etc.

Guess I won't be a real Tolkienologist until sometime next year then! I have my last year of High School coming up and will have to give this all up for a year too! I go back to school in a week! ;)

[Manveru]

Gee, Úlairi, don't know what to say...
... and you've contributed so well on the boards.
Geesh...

I'll just shut up...;)

[Finduilas]

Ok, here is the next portion of Tolkienologists...;)

First of all, let me most cheerfully welcome celebdraug and MorgothsBane!!!! Great work and contributions guys...(and girls;))!
Welcome aboard! :)
So that means you're in.You can include in your signature: a member of the Guild of Tolkienology! ;)

Now, we also accept Shaky_the_Mohel, but with the condition that he will be more active. He has proven to be a great member with a vast knowledge and therefore he deserves to be a Tolkienologist, definetely. :)
Welcome and have a nice time with us! :)

As for the other member, I'm afraid that Thingol hasn't been active at all...:(
He only applied and then left the Guild. :(
If he wants he can reapply and we will accept him if he's active after the next one-month testing period.
I hope you will, Thingol.

So, that's all upto now.
To the new members....: WELCOME!!! :D

[Gil-Galad]

Newbies?Greenies?!!!! :D :D

Welcome!!!Now you are real members of the Guild of Tolkienology.Please,put in your signatute:Journeyman,expert,appretice(the rank you have) Member
of the Guild of Tolkienology

[Manveru]

Or just leave "no rank" next to it... doesn't matter, right?;) :D
It's that what "resides" in your head that really matters...:)

WELCOME, WELCOME!

:D

[Finduilas]

Unfortunately, I have some bad news and one good. :(

First of all, let me start with the good one. I'm most happy to welcome again our friend Thingol, who after many problems with his dial-up connection is back and ready to participate. He's now on his testing period, starting from today, so say Welcome and good luck! ;):)

Now the bad news. Two of the members applied for a membership are not accepted due to lack of activity, Belegmacar and Lotho_Pimple. We all despise denying membership but those two members didn't participate ectively in the Guild's matters, and I feel free to say that they didn't participate at all. This is not the way to become a member of the Guild of Tolkienology. I hope that they'll reconsider and reapply and then be active so that they become a part of our big family. I trully hope so...
Please, friends, come back.:(

[Úlairi]

Gee, Úlairi, don't know what to say...
... and you've contributed so well on the boards.
Geesh...

I'll just shut up...;)

Yeah, thanks a lot Manveru, I'll miss it. ;)

[Morgoth]

Sorry I havent posted much of late, I have been very busy with Maths coursework, but I promise to be spending alot more time here in days to come (especially during my 2 1/2 month summer holiday!). With regard to the test, I believe that the Sr. Journeyman test questions should be made a leetle bit harder, as I nearly passed it first time, a rank which I do not believe I earned, when comparing my knowledge to others who have that rank. With regard to testing, when I used to be a member last year, testing was done based on msn, or another instant messenger service. I know this might make testing difficult for some members, but I think it would be worthwhile considering. Unless I've missed a really big reason for not doing this, in which case I apologise in advance for bringing this up :D

[Gil-Galad]

Do not worry Morgoth,we all have real-life problems :)
Now you have all the time you want to enjoy GoT :)
At the moment the Quiz is not working due to the changes made by WM,but when Beorn fixes it we will make new question for the Quiz and they will be really difficult.

[Finduilas]

Yes, Morgoth, I hope everything's fine now and you got an excellent mark with that Maths.;) (I know this Maths,gosh,it's hard isn't it?;) I'm in a Mathematical School...;)).
So, when you're ready, come and join a debate! :D

[Morgoth]

I was looking on the member list, and it appears that I have no rank next to my name, yet others do. I passed the apprentice and Journeyman tests, but no rank is there. Is this because members with ranks had got theirs using other means, like instant messanger tests, or older members of the Guild, whose abilities are more well known?

[Gil-Galad]

I just didnot receivea report from you that you passed the Journeyman level.
I will put you rank next to your name Morgoth,no need to worry .

[Morgoth]

Thank you, G-G. Most appreciated :D .

[Gil-Galad]

It was my fault,I was offline for about a month and I probably missed the post in which you report your rank.

[Amarië]

Can I be tested? If so i'll go for journeyman please...
~A~

[Finduilas]

Amarië, visit this page:

http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?p=400729#post400729

I think that everything essential you need to know is there.
Welcome. :)

[Manveru]

i know that very few members are hanging around lately, but if anyone of the "fresh tide" wants to check on her/his knowledge of hobbit+lotr+sil can go here (http://www.lordotrings.com/quiz.asp).

having nothing much to do i followed the link from Ulairi's GoT post (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?t=4255), squeezed my tiny brain and... wept (yeah, right;))

went thru 4 initial tests almost unharmed (2 errors :eek: ), but then stopped, cause during the first question of test 5 i made a mistake and that cost me much (game over:p). so i don't think i went far (tho i wasn't using any book or sth like this to help me, just head...whoa :D). after a few tries (guess 4--hard question) i started again test 5 and... survived till the end (tho making a lot of mistakes: they almost caught me on mount doom:p) with a score of 90/111.

not that i'm proud of it (tho why not? if i, personally, don't give credit to myself, who will?;))

those who haven't tried that, go there (recommend)

have fun and gain knowledge (again talking to myself:p)