Theodens Death

[LordOfMoria]

Do you think PJ will put King Theodens death in ROTK?? or make it as dramatic as the book did? Or more?

[Ithrynluin]

Well he certainly will include it...how else can he go about it? I sincerely hope he sticks as close to the book as possible.

[Brytta]

PJ has much of the story to still tell. Merry and King Théoden have not even met yet in the film.

Will this dialogue (which is likely to show up in the film):

'Farewell, Master Holbytla!' he said. 'My body is broken. I go to my fathers. And even in their mighty company I shall not now be ashamed. I felled the black serpent. A grim morn, and a glad day, and a golden sunset.'

Merry could not speak, but wept anew. 'Forgive me, lord,' he said at last, 'if I broke your command, and yet have done no more in your service than to weep at our parting.'

The old king smiled. 'Grieve not! It is forgiven. Great heart will not be denied. Live now in blessedness; and when you sit in peace with your pipe, think of me! For never now shall I sit with you in Meduseld, as I promised, or listen to your herb-lore.'

truly have any feeling if their relationship has not been firmly established?

[Mirabella]

PJ most definately will show Theoden's last charge and his death. That's one of the more dramatic parts to the whole story...he's not likely to mess with that. I think PJ did a beautiful job with Boromir's death scene. I expect Theoden's death to be just as emotional.

[Eledhwen]

Mirabella is right, PJ does seem to handle death scenes very well. I was quite moved by Haldir's death at Helm's Deep, the way he looked at the dead faces of the Elves he had probably known for centuries, millennia even. It was very well done, even though he wasn't supposed to be there.

[mirkwoodwarrior]

I definitely think that PJ will make his death a more dramatic part in the movie.

[Eledhwen]

What can be more dramatic than being squished by your horse at the feet of the Witch King on his trusty pterodactyl?

[Aulë]

I have a feeling that PJ will have the With King kill Theoden.
Sure, it doesn't follow the book, but after TTT, anything is possible.

[Mirabella]

You could be right about that, but then again, the WitchKing did kill Theoden indirectly. It was the WitchKing's arrival that caused Snowmane to rear in terror, and a dart from the WitchKing that caused Snowmane to fall over, crushing Theoden beneath him.

[Éomond]

Well, Théoden will deffinitly die, but I suspect PJ might make a pretty heroic death scene, but I think the book has the best death for him;)

[33Peregrin]

I think the death scene will be awesome, but I think the book's will still be better. I wonder if PJ would want to have Theoden crushed by his horse. Would PJ do that? I don't really know how PJ thinks anymore.

[LordOfMoria]

I think Theoden will charge the witch king and then be slain by him and eowyn will be so furuios, kill the witch King, thats my opinion!!

[Brytta]

but I think the book has the best death for him

I agree. Théoden's death is so poignant in the book. He seems unstoppabe, the tide has completely turned in the favor of the Rohirrim and the Gondorians are streaming out of Minas Tirith in support.

And then...

But lo! suddenly in the midst of the glory of the king his golden shield was dimmed. The new morning was blotted from the sky. Dark fell about him. Horses reared and screamed. Men cast from the saddle lay groveling on the ground.

'To me! To me!' cried Théoden. 'Up Eorlingas! Fear no darkness!' But Snowmane wild with terror stood up on high, fighting with the air, and then with a great scream he crashed upon his side: a black dart had pierced him. The king fell beneath him.

The long built-up muster, ride, and glorious entrance of Théoden and the Eorlingas abruptly ends in tragedy. Described by Tolkien in two short, tersely written paragraphs. Genius!

Do your best PJ! (I'm not holding my breath).

[Frodogirl57]

When theoden dies merry will be very upest"...and when sit in peace with your pipe, think of me"

and eowyn will be really angry"... you stand betwwen me and the lord of my kin."

that she'll rip the witch king to pieces

[BloomLover12]

Originally posted by Frodogirl57
When theoden dies merry will be very upest

and eowyn will be really angry

that she'll rip the witch king to pieces

I don't think that will happen I think she will get really upset and end up fighting in some war for her father.

[Mirabella]

Ummm...this is just a guess, but you haven't read the books, BloomLover12? Eowyn is an orphan...she and her brother Eomer have been raised by Theoden, their uncle. And unless PJ completely loses his mind, we will see Eowyn take on the WitchKing, with good ol' Merry assisting.

[Eledhwen]

First, Welcome to the forum Bloomlover12 (that's Orlando, I presume).

Second, I think PJ will stick close to the book on this one; he would be hard pushed to think of a better storyline than Eowyn's death wish and fury at her father's death cause her to be fearless before the Witch King (whose main weapon is fear).

In case you haven't read the book (stop here if you don't want to know the story)... Up until that point Eowyn was disguised as a soldier of Rohan, having been forbidden to ride into battle. She had Merry stowed away on her horse (he'd been told to stay behind too). The Witch King has broken Eowyn's shield arm and is about to slay her when Merry stabs him in the leg. While the Witch King is distracted by the pain, Eowyn thrusts her sword where she thinks his head is and slays him.

What greater storyline could PJ cook up? A problem may arise if PJ keeps Merry and Pippin together - he may have trouble getting Merry into position with Eowyn. We'll have to wait and see.

[Remnant]

It says somewhere that a trailer scene for ROTK is Pippin walking up to the Palantir ...
So after Isengard you may have the company split like in the book ...
Pippin with Gandalf to MT ...
Theodan with Eomer and the Rohan men???
Merry with aragorn, legolas and gimli on way to go to POTD.
{AND THE RANGERS WHO BRING NARSIL!!! *** SIGHS ****SORRY***} ok ...
.
Before POTD, Aragorn leaves MERRY at the place they have Eowyn waiting. Wherever they decide to put her and the WOMEN ... HD/GH ... hehehe!!! sorry???
Then she and Merry will be in place for her big
"I am going to do this myself ... no one is there for me, I must fight" ... scene. especially after Thoedan refuses her too ..
sorry I do kind of like her a little bit.

Hey they have 299 1/4 day to fix it ...if it is messed at all!!

[Burb]

Originally posted by Remnant
It says somewhere that a trailer scene for ROTK is Pippin walking up to the Palantir ...
So after Isengard you may have the company split like in the book ...
Pippin with Gandalf to MT ...
Theodan with Eomer and the Rohan men???
Merry with aragorn, legolas and gimli on way to go to POTD.
{AND THE RANGERS WHO BRING NARSIL!!! *** SIGHS ****SORRY***} ok ...
.
Before POTD, Aragorn leaves MERRY at the place they have Eowyn waiting. Wherever they decide to put her and the WOMEN ... HD/GH ... hehehe!!! sorry???
Then she and Merry will be in place for her big
"I am going to do this myself ... no one is there for me, I must fight" ... scene. especially after Thoedan refuses her too ..
sorry I do kind of like her a little bit.

Hey they have 299 1/4 day to fix it ...if it is messed at all!!


thats sounds about what PJ would do.

[Eledhwen]

I saw an interview yesterday morning with Ian McKellen. He's got to go back to NZ for more filming of RotK in June. The cutting room floor must be knee deep.

[nollaig]

Where will ROTK begin?Is it actually known? I'd like to see it begin with Aragon,Gimli,Legolas &Gandalf being reunited with Merry & Pippin at isengard.

[Mirabella]

I guess the only person who knows for sure is PJ, but the consensus among movie related sites is that the film begins with Narsil being reforged.

[Elendil01]

of course Theoden will die and yes they will over-dramatise it like they did to Boromir

[Lúthien Séregon]

I don't know how Theoden's death could be overdramatized...it's dramatic enough in the book - I just don't think that's something that PJ would change.

[Remnant]

Originally posted by nollaig
Where will ROTK begin?Is it actually known? I'd like to see it begin with Aragon,Gimli,Legolas &Gandalf being reunited with Merry & Pippin at isengard.

they will be at Isengard but more rumors than one say ... it is narsil being reforged that will open rotk ... yes narsil to aragorn ...
As to theodan's death it will probably be very sudden and even heart-wrenching because he won't know about eowyn ... I will say no more to keep it spoiler free ...