The Silmarillion - RP Discussion Thread

[Turgon]

This is the Discussion Thread for the forthcoming Silmarillion RP. Post your comments, suggestions, ideas and arguments here, not in the RP thread.

A brief outline of the RP - Okay we are all familiar with the story of The Silmarillion so no need to go into too much detail there, but there would not much point in us creating a carbon copy of Tolkien's tale - so feel free to elaborate on anything you think would add to our tale - perhaps you want to tell us what you think happened to Daeron after he left Doriath, or tell the story of The Dagor Bragollach from the view point of Angrod or Aegnor, or even speculate upon what would have happened if Orodreth or Thingol had participated in the Battle of Unnumbered Tears - these are the kind of things I envision for the RP. Of course some of the Tales will be like mini RPs in themselves - The Quest for the Silmaril, and The Fall of Gondolin spring immediately to mind, but they should be fun to take part in!

Just three rules for now - I don't want this thing to get bogged down in a mire of do's and don't's - common sense shall be our guide.

I) First and foremost this RP is meant to be fun, but educational too in its way - so don't hesitate to ask questions and discuss events, outcomes, characters and such - hopefully that will be part of the fun.

II) Character Allocation: 3 characters each - but only one major player at a time - if your main character suffers an untimely end (which is more than likely this being the Sil!) - then you may take on another.

III) Diverging from the storyline: Please try not to make any major diversions from Tolkien's story without discussing your ideas with the other members first. (or the gamesmasters if you want to keep it a suprise!) But make sure any such divergences make sense and are in the True Spirit of Tolkien.

Casting is now officially open - so post your character preferences below! Try and stick to the early chapters of the Silmarillion for now - we need a Finwë far more urgently than an Eärendil.

If you still have any questions feel free to post them.

[Turgon]

Gamesmasters: Nóm, Turgon, Chrysophalax.

Elves

Aegnor: Eöl.
Aldoriana: Lhun.
Alparielle: Elennainie.
Amras: Aulë.
Angrod: Eöl.
Aredhel: Anamatar.
Beleg: Chrysophalax.
Caranthir: Nenya Evenstar.
Celebrimbor: Chymaera.
Celegorm: Maedhros.
Curufin: snaga1.
Eärendil: Gate7ole.
Ecthelion: Ecthelion.
Elenwë: The-Elf-Herself.
Elwë: Ciryaher.
Elwing: Elora.
Eöl: Níniel.
Fëanor: Dain.
Finarfin: Nóm.
Fingolfin: Anamatar.
Finrod Felagund: Nóm.
Finwë: Maedhros.
Galadriel: Nenya Evenstar.
Galdor (of Gondolin): Galdor.
Glorfindel: Mormegil.
Gwindor: Nóm.
Idril Celebrindal: Elennainie.
Indis: Chrysophalax.
Luthien: Elora.
Mablung: Mablung.
Maedhros: Maedhros.
Maeglin: Chrysophalax.
Maglor: Ponte.
Míriel: Lhun.
Nerdanel: Níniel.
Olwë: Elessar.
Orodreth: ithrynluin.
Turgon: Turgon.

Men

Andreth: The-Elf-Herself.
Bëor: Chymaera.
Beren: ¤-Elessar-¤
Brandir: Ponte.
Brodda: Mablung.
Haleth: The-Elf-Herself.
Huor: ¤-Elessar-¤
Húrin: Elfamari.
Morwen: The-Elf-Herself.
Nienor: Níniel.
Rian: The-Elf-Herself.
Tuor: Ciryaher.
Túrin: Mormegil.
Ulfang: Nenya Evenstar.

Dwarves

Azaghal: Dáin.
Durin: Dáin.
Mim: Aulë.
Telchar: Aulë.

Others

Aulë: Aulë.
Eonwë: ¤-Elessar-¤
Huan: Elfamari.
Lórien: Lhun.
Melian: Dengen-Goroth.
Oromë: Mormegil.
Ulmo: Dengen-Goroth.
Yavanna: Nenya Evenstar.

Evil

Carcharoth: Anamatar.
Glaurung: Chrysophalax.
Gothmog: Ecthelion.
Melkor: Turgon.
Sauron: ithrynluin.
Tevildo: Ciryaher.
Ungoliant: Dain.

[Mablung]

I would like to try and get Elwe (aka Thingol) for my bigger and earliest character then for smaller characters and later chapters Mablung and Radagast.

[Anamatar IV]

On top of Fingolfin might I play Aradhel? And, as Mablung, since these characters finish off early in the story I'd be glad to play any smaller parts.:)

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I would LOVE to renenact the fifth battle in which the Dwarves of Belegost slayed many a Dragon, and defeated Glaurung so all the Dragons fled in terror. That was a magical part in the book.. just imagining the Dwarves with their masks of war... ahh.... OK anyways... the Fifth Battle would be fun.

Also we could do of Doriath, and Beren and Luthien. And Turin and Neinor and .... *voice fades into darkness* :D

But characterwise... if we are starting AFTER the Valar made Anor, then I can be Feanor (It will be a challenge, but I always liked him!) and as minor characters, I could play Ungoliant (I know its a she, but shes a giant spider, and who HASNT wanted to be a giant spider! C'mon! ;)) and I guess that is it... as I think having Feanor and Ungoliant will be a hard enough chore

[Ecthelion]

Well I obviously want to be Ecthelion in the Fall od Gondolin, but until then I want to be either a Dragon or Balrog........OR BOTH!

[Nóm]

I'd like to play Finarfin, or maybe Finrod if no one else is planning on it?
I'm open to about anything, but these are two that I have in mind.

[Lhunithiliel]

QUESTION

Are non-existing characters allowed? Fictional ones?

I was planning to be an elf, who is Feanor's closest friend.

Never heard of him? :D
Why NOT! My dearest Feanor must have needed someone who would always be close and with him in whatever his endeavours were; this person would be there for him, someone whom Feanor trusted more than his sons, someone esteemed and respected by Feanor's sons and the whole Royal Court...
Well, I can think of a good and "authentic" biography of this character...
The most important thing is that he, being immortal, stays such and witness all the events, taking active participation till the end...
Thus I will not need another character.
Even if I'm killed, Mandos is "my man"! ;) :D I'd be reincarnated.

Well? If this is permitted, I will write his presentation - name, biography, relations to the others, and....perhaps a picture of him.

[Turgon]

Okay - so we have a Fëanor, a Fingolfin and a Finarfin, that's good! I've decide to to take on Finwë to complete the set - I shall also be playing Turgon... hehe! bet that's come as something as a shock!

Lhun - yes you can create a fictional character. Also any character from LoTR who would have been around might prove interesting to play. Nóm expressed an interest in playing the part of Gildor, which I think could be cool.

I'll amend the cast list later today, but for now keep those requests coming in...

[Ciryaher]

Are you going to need Valar?

I'd like to be Elwë, Tuor, and then Ar-Pharazon (if we do the Akallabeth), if that's acceptable :)

I think that this is a really interesting idea! It's not often that such a large project is begun with such good potential, to be sure.

[Ithrynluin]

I don't have any great roles chosen (yet?) but I would like to play Orodreth and Galadriel. Maybe even Sauron if that will be allowed.

[Nóm]

Well, Turgon has added the cast list in his second post.

I see we still have the roles of some of Finwe's grandsons to fill.
I suppose that in the beginning these do not all need to be filled, but can be covered by their brothers or cousins if need be?

Who will be playing the Valar?

Also, we'll need a Melian and Thingol before too long, Melian would be a great role, is she taken? Would anyone like to play her part?

[Turgon]

My original thought was to have the GM's play the both the Valar and the Legions of Darkness, but I'm open to suggestions there... I don't know... I find the prospect of Dain playing a monsterous she-spider rather appealing...

And sure Nóm, we can always double up characters at a pinch.

Cir will be playing Thingol - but yes we will need a Melian - and I'm really surprised nobody has gone for Lúthien yet!?!

[Mablung]

Personally I think having people be some of the majors bad guys is a good idea. Ulfang Sauron Brodda Witch King, and many others would be great to play.

[chrysophalax]

I have accepted Turgon's offer of third GM and as to characters....Maeglin and Glaurung would be right up my alley! Gotta love the evil characters!!!

[Ciryaher]

Ar-Pharazon is a bad guy :p

[Turgon]

Ah - he just fell into bad company Cir - I'm sure deep down he was a lovely chap! But if this RP goes well I see no reason not to continue with a 'Tales from the Second Age' or something, the Downfall of Númenor, the Forging of the Rings, the Last Alliance and so on. Though I reckon it will take us an age before we even get to stories like the Fall of Gondolin. Even Anamatar will be a grey-beard by the time we finish!?!

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

So why can I not be Ungoliant? I was in the Dark Legion for a brief period :p ... I think I could more than handle that part.

And as for the Dwarves, Azaghal would be a great character for me to play later on at the Fifth Battle.

But, this decision is up to whomever started this idea, but I am VERY eager to play a giant she-spider! Fun!

[Turgon]

Well Dain - Originally I thought it would have been easier if we avoided the whole Good vs Evil conflict by having the gamesmasters control all the evil characters (making them non-player characters essentially) and by keeping them in the hands of the GMs, it would have been easier for us to keep control of the story. I'm not too sure of the wisdom of that now... perhaps it will take some of the fun out of it. I'm open to ideas though - if people want to play the evil characters then that's fine - but if that is going to be the case then I think I will need to take on the role of Melkor - as I think the GM's need, ultimately, to be in control of what the bad guys are doing.

[Mablung]

Evil wise I always wanted to be an Easterling so Ulfang or Brodda would be my choice or any others you can suggest.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

OK Turgon that sounds good. It's just with the Sil.. so good and evil is mixed. Feanor himself was 'evil' at times, and for all we know Galadriel may have taken part in the kinslayings... evil? Maybe. ;)

OK I think its safe to bet she didnt take part in that but anyways... my point is is that in this story, so many characters are good, turn evil, are evil and they dont know it, etc. In fact, the evilness of this book is very touchy and it is hard to summarize all that into 'evil'.

Uh.. if that made sense to anyone, then you know what I'm saying in that evil and good are intertwined in the Sil. If it didnt make sense then uh... just forget about it! :p

But I think anyone should be able to play any character they want, no matter what mindset he or she has. Maybe the GMs could play the Valar? Give them some power!

[chrysophalax]

Heh, heh...to play both the Valar AND the Evil Forces! A dream come true...I would definitely want to play the least "goody-two-shoes among the Valar however...Tulkas possibly? Hm...much thinking to do.

RRRRRRRR! Evil dragon killers....

[Ecthelion]

Can I be a Balrog? Maybe Gothmog? Or I can just be some other no name Balrog......

[Anamatar IV]

hmmm might I make a fictional character, too? I'll have him die while crossing the Helcaraxe so he wouldn't have a history changing role.

hmm since we have a best friend of Feanor why not a close buddy to Fingolfin?:D

just so you can put it up on the cast list with a name I'll make one up....Inwing

[Ithrynluin]

Can evil persons be played by us ordinary mortals or only by the gamesmasters?

I see Dain is playing Ungoliant, can I be Sauron? Or is that reserved for the gamesmasters as well? His role isn't that big anyway.

[Turgon]

Sure Ithrynluin, I meant to add your name to the cast list when I added Dain's, but I was in something of a rush and I guess it just slipped my mind.

Anamatar, why would you want to play the part of Fingolfin's best buddy when you're already playing Fingolfin? Let's not complicate things too much.

Ecthelion, get back to me on that PM and I'll assign you a role.

[Ithrynluin]

Oh that's alright Turgon, I just thought that you maybe considered Sauron a harder character to play than Ungoliant.

Turgon, since you are playing Melkor, I think it's only fair that I call you "Master" from now on.:p

[Lhunithiliel]

So, to understand it correctly
the GM-s are playing the Valar and the bad guys

well, well, well.....

OK.... I thought of Varda, but...

If we get to Numenor, can I play Aldarion?
*****
Today I'll submit information about my fictuional character.
I guess this is the place to do it.

[Nóm]

I know we have to take care when including things from HoMe, but one idea I have for this RP is the inclusion of a certain type of information that can be found in HoMe. I am not talking about events, but about more philosophical type writings that can be included in summarized form as character dialog or thoughts.

For example, who has wondered why Manwe let Melkor free when Ulmo and Tulkas knew that Melkor was still evil?

There are answers to this question, and while I wouldn't push them on anybody as fact, and certainly not while they are in my own words as summary, I think it would be good to mention them. If I do such things I would post the sources in the discussion thread so people can read more about it if they wish.

Any objections?


Also, we might want to be thinking about the Helcaraxe since it will require a lot of our own inventions and be fairly early in the story.

Now, what do you guys think about giving a little more attention to the Teleri of Alqualonde, maybe a little time spent on them just before the kinslaying? Maybe a few extra words after?

Turgon has suggested the idea of starting the RP at a feast in Valinor, where characters will be introduced and perhaps Rumil can tell of the coming of the Elves to Valinor. What do you guys think?

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Sounds good, but I think we need more characters first... predominantly the important female ones.

We need Galadriel and Melian to start off with, as well as Thingol... and people need to choose which Valar they will be. But I'm sure we knew this anyway...

But I like the idea of starting off with a feast in Valinor.

[Nóm]

The role of Galadriel is filled. I figure someone would want to play Melian, and I am surpirsed that no one has said so yet.

I suppose I could do it if no one else wants to, but there's still a little time. I'd like to play her, but I already have Finarfin and Finrod. So, she's up for grabs! Someone must want the part!

[Turgon]

I agree with Nóm it will be really interesting to weave some of the HoME speculations into the story. Not only that, HoME is full of many trivial bits of information that could prove invaluable... from street-names in Gondolin to character descriptions.

from PoME
'In the case of Fingon it was suitable (his name); he wore his long dark hair in great plaits braided with gold.'

Little things such as the above can really add to the tale I think. Part of the enjoyment of this RP will undoubtably come from the reasearch we put into it - and the knowledge we get out of it. One of great things I've found about RPing in Tolkien's world is the understanding one can achieve by entering into it.

Some people seem a little unclear as to what characters are allowed and what characters are not - I'll like to clear this question up - Players are allowed to take on the role of the bad guys and of the Valar, the only roles 'off limits' are Melkor, Manwë, Varda and Mandos. So Ulmo is up for grabs, though the GM's will give serious consideration to who will play him.

I'm quite surprised nobody has taken up Melian yet either - or Lúthien - but some other females we are in need of are Míriel, Indis and Nerdanel - these are only little parts (though their affect on the history of the Noldor are huge!) so anybody who wishes take them on...

[Maedhros]

I would like to play the first son of the first prince of the Ñoldor. The one who was so powerful that only his great grace could temper the strenght of his step. Heru Maitimo Russandol.

[Turgon]

Ah great Maedhros - who better to take on the role of copper-top?

Welcome to the RP!

[gate7ole]

I humbly ask to play two roles:
Fingon
Earendil

PS. my thanks to Nom for inviting me.

[Ciryaher]

As Turgon PMed me on the subject, I'd like to also be Olwë. In addition, do you think that there is room for a Tevildo?

Who is going to play Ingwë? Can't leave him out.

[Lhunithiliel]

My Character:

Name: Aldoriana

Position: Best friend of Feanor

Background: a Noldo

Characteristic features: Valiant warrior and a wise councellor; fully supporting Feanor's views, plans, actions but as a true friend - always ready to "open his eyes" for the truth; a faithful companion of Feanor in all his endeavours in science; shares completely Feanor's hatred towards Melkor.

[i]Note:

1/Dain = Feanor, do you accept my character? ;) ;)
2/ After Feanor dies Aldoriana stays in Nargothrond

Relations with other characters: Estimated by Feanor's brothers and sons; participates in all the events very actively; later becomes one of Men's best, most helpful and most powerful friends; has a love affair but doesn't marry and doesn't have children

.... Well, I can't think of ALL her actions now. When she becomes alive, she will act according to the circumstances.

See an attached picture of my character here below :)
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And if I would be permitted by the GM-s, how about me playing the role of Lorien at the beginning, BEFORE (and why not even after) the Elves come to Aman?
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And I hope to get Aldarion ;) when we get to Numenor!

[Chymaera]

I am not sure about how well I would be, but I would like to try Bëor and Húrin.

[Turgon]

Gate7ole and Chymaera you are both welcome to join! However Chymaera, the part of Húrin has already been filled. Any other characters you would like to take on?

[Lhunithiliel]

Turgon, thank you very much for including my Aldoriana in the list of characters.

May I not play Lorien? And Aldarion (much, much later) ?

[Ecthelion]

Hey, since I'm playing only Ecthelion right now (which is a way away), so can I play Gothmog for now then when we get to the Fall of Gondolin someone else can play Gothmog?

[Anamatar IV]

I have a question: will Labadal be in this rp?:D

If he is may I play him?

[Niniel]

I'd like to be Nienor/Níniel (obviously), and also Nerdanel, and just for a change, Eol, if that's okay.

[Ithrynluin]

Originally posted by Lhunithiliel
has a love affair but doesn't marry and doesn't have children

Lhun, I don't think this would be very appropriate, since Elves mate for life. Or did you mean that your spouse dies?:)

[Lhunithiliel]

Hey, and who says he was an Elf? :p

[Ithrynluin]

A Dwarf perhaps?:p

If you mean for your spouse to be a Mortal, you will have to come up with a good reason why such a union should occur.

[Lhunithiliel]

Let's reach that bridge and then I'll cross it! ;)

Mhm! A dwarf.... INTERESTING! :D Have you seen my character? ;)
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To the GM-s, I would like to kindly remind a question:
And if I would be permitted by the GM-s, how about me playing the role of Lorien at the beginning, BEFORE (and why not even after) the Elves come to Aman?
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And I hope to get Aldarion ;) when we get to Numenor!

[Elennainie]

Thanks to gate7ole for inviting me to this RP. If Lhun. gets her wish to be Aldarion, could I please be Erendis? That is, if that's ok with you, Lhun. We can have great conflict!

Also, someone suggested focusing on the Teleri. If that is done, I'd like to be a fictional female Teler mariner during the kinslaying and then during the transport of the host to the Great Battle, and whenever else the Teleri come into this RP. Might I be allowed to speak Quenya instead of Telerin, though, since the languages are related and some considered Telerin a dialect of Quenya? Besides, I don't think there aren't enough known Telerin words anyway. :( The name of the character would be Alparielle, which means "swan maiden crowned with a garland", in Telerin.

And my third character choice would be Idril Celebrindal. I'm new to RP. Is there an experienced RP'er who would be so kind as to give me some tips? Thank you.

[Lhunithiliel]

****Aldarion:

Ooooo! WELCOME, my Queen of the great Numenor!
You know I have always loved you! But it was YOU who did not understand my loooove! ***** ;) ;) :D

****Aldoriana:

Hail, Alparielle! Although I am a Noldo and Feanor's guardian angel, I will never fight you at Alqualonde!****** ;)

As for a RP-newcommer - I am in the same position! I hoe we'll learn fast.

[Elennainie]

:D :D :D Yay, this'll be fun! (And thank you for not fighting me at Alqualonde, Aldoriana!) :) You know, if you look really fast at both your names, they seem like the same name. Hope I can keep them straight! ;)

[Lhunithiliel]

I had a special reason for making this name of my fictional character!....
But I WON'T spoil the surprise about all that I have in mind for my Aldoriana ;)

[Turgon]

Elennainie - welcome to the RP! Your Telerin character sounds interesting, feel free to develop her as you will. I'll put you down as Idril too - and don't worry about being new to RPing - you won't be the only one and there is nothing to it really. I'm sure some of the more experienced RPers will be glad to give you some tips, and if you're unsure of anything feel free to post in this thread.

Lhun, of course you can play Lórien, but would you also consider taking on the role of either Míriel or Indis? I'm hoping to start the RP soon and these are two roles we need to fill before we can begin.

[Lhunithiliel]

Miriel let it be.....
......under one condition ;) ;)

(in a loud voice) I WANT Tar - Aldarion.....
(in a little voice) May I? :D

[Turgon]

Well Lhun, I'm not even sure if we will get around to RPing the Akallabêth... but if we do then you can be sure to get the role. For now though I'd just like to concentrate on getting the RP started - I think we have a great cast lined up, and most of the parts we need to get going are filled. Perhaps there are still a few people who would like to take on the role of the Ainur? Oromë, Aulë, Yavanna? Anybody?

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I like the ideas of the new characters, but I think we should not deviate TOO far from the Sil...

I mean, if everyone has a new character, then who will play the REAL ones? I think we should fill those roles first... THEN we make the fictional ones.

I'm just afraid that if everyone makes up their own characters, no one will play the real ones... and even the minor ones need to be played. Just my two cents - we'll do whatever Turgon wants anyways ;)

[Elennainie]

I'll adapt to whatever the consensus is. But I do think a fictional character could help flesh out events that were just touched upon in the Sil. and not described in detail.

[Ecthelion]

So.........When will the Rp start?

[Anamatar IV]

HOPEFULLY by the time I get a chance to re-read the Silmarillion;)

[¤-Elessar-¤]

after reading the first page, I see that I am too late in coming to grab a character (no, I doubt I'd make a very good Indis). I just wanted to acknowledge that I am available in case any cast member becomes... obsolete.

[Ciryaher]

Seeing as I really don't need two roles when someone is going without, I'd gladly let you take the role of Olwe (if Master Turgon approves, of course). :)

[Mormegil]

Hey everyone. I'd like to join this RP it sounds excellent.

From looking at the cast list at the beginning it doesn't look like anyone has grabbed Turin or Glorfindel yet. I'd like to play these characters if no one objects.
And Turgon, if you are still looking for an Orome I could do that too.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

that's fine with me, if it is fine with you, of course.

[Nóm]

So... do we will start out with a feast that takes place after the creation of the silmarils?... maybe right before Melkor lies to the sons of Finwe about eachother and persuades them to make weapons?

At the feast where charcters will be introduced, Feanor could wear his Silmarils so we can tell about the crafting of the Noldor, and of the Silmarls...? We could say then that it was the last time he wore them openly, as he started to become greedy with them, and keep them locked away at Tirion?

That stuff might be said after Rumil tells of the elves... if he is going to? Rumil can speak of the light in Valinor being the attraction of the elves... or perhaps a Vala can?... Perhaps a Vala can tell of the creation of the trees (before the Simarils are mentioned)?

The feast would also be a great way to learn about Melkor and his secret thoughts...? Melkor at the feast would look around in envy, lust and hate and whatnot... at all the beautiful things (especialy Feanor's Silmarils).

When character introductions are made, it might good to say up front who his/her father and siblings are, who his/her friends are (as far as is known and relevant), and also a bit about the character...?

Another thing to keep in mind at the feast (if this takes place during the time I mentioned above) is that Melkor's lies have been spread among the Noldor at this point. Whispers that would cause the elves to distrust the Valar.

What does everyone think about the opening scenes? We can establish where our characters will be when this thing starts, and how we would like to introduce them... some ideas?

What other infromation should be included at the feast scene, and by what means? Will any Teleri be at the feast? If so... should the ships be mentioned... in dialog, or narration?

The roles of Aegnor, Angrod and all but one of Feanor's sons are still up for grabs... some exciting characters there, for those who like battle!

[Ponte]

I would like to join this RP since it looks excellent.

If I'm accepted and no one objects I would like to play Maglor and Brandir.

[chrysophalax]

Turgon, I will accept the role of Indis and since no one has claimed the role of myfavourite Elf, I request Beleg as well! WooHoo!

[Turgon]

Morm, Ponte, Elessar, I've added you to the cast list...

And Elessar - I'm sure there are other Sil. characters you could choose from should you wish to take on another character, there are still a lot of roles on offer.

But can we get some thoughts on Nóm's last post - 'tis high time we began work on this grand project.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Hmm well if we start with the Silmarils, there is no story about the Elves that are on Middle-Earth, like Thingol, and Melian. I say we start with the awakening of the Elves, like before the Trees and such. Then we have a GM come in, as the Vala that takes most of the Elves back to Valinor... I cant remember his name.

This way we can have a background of how the Elves got to be there, and how Melkor hates them.... just an idea.

[Mormegil]

I say if you are going to do something then you may as well do it properly. So how's about starting with the line:
"There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called Illuvatur.........."
There is so much scope for role play within the music of the Ainur.

But if no one likes this idea then I'm for starting with the first Elves awakening at Cuivienen.
It would be a shame to miss the great journey of the Elves by starting the tale in Valinor.

[Nóm]

Anyone else have an opinion about where to start this RP and ideas for how and why it could work?

Here is the first thread that Turgon opened about the RP. (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=9669) There is some discussion there about where to start things.

Turgon said this:
My only concern about beginning with the Meeting of Oromë and the Elves is the lack of characters to play and the complication of having to Role-play the birth of so many elven-princelings. My own preference would be to begin just prior to Melkor's release from captivity - that way most of the main characters will have been born and Tirion and Alqualondë built. But I'm willing to go along with the general consensus.

[Lhunithiliel]

My opinion - start at the Lake of awakening.

[Chymaera]

I think I would like to Celebrimbor as well,

Its a minor role, but I would like to explore how he got to a point where he turns his back on his father.

[Nóm]

Originally posted by Chymaera
I think I would like to Celebrimbor as well,

Its a minor role, but I would like to explore how he got to a point where he turns his back on his father.
That sounds interesting. I hope a lot of that kind of thing will happen in this RP.
Chymaera, I don't know if you know it or not but in PoMe it says that Celebrimbor was "aghast" at the behaviour of his father.

[chrysophalax]

I tend to go along with Turgon, myself. The journey from Cuivienen to the West could get pretty dry, unless of course, you want to add in many things that may have happened along the way. This RPG is going to get pretty danged complicated as it is.

[Turgon]

Well - I'm more than happy to start with the Awakening of the Elves if enough people are interested in doing it. Or perhaps with the meeting of the Elves and Oromë - do we know enough about the original elves to come up with something good? Not too keen on starting with the Music of the Ainur though, that's a really special piece I think, there is nothing we could possibly add to it. It's a work of singular beauty, sacred almost, and I for one would not even dare to touch it - just couldn't do it justice.

On another note, for anybody looking at the cast-list and thinking that all the good roles are taken. Just open up your copy of the Silmarillion and look in the index - I'm sure you'll find plenty of great characters still up for grabs...

Beren, Lúthien, Curufin, Celegorm, Elrond and Elros, Angrod and Aegnor, Finduilas, Voronwë, Aulë, Tulkas, Yavanna, Dior, Elwing, Thorondor, Edrahil, Eönwë, Thuringwethil... the list goes on!

[Elfarmari]

Wherever this starts, I could do any parts still needed. The characters I have don't come in for a while! (Huan doesn't really appear until Beren and Luthien, and Hurin obviously doesn't come until after the Edain appear)

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I could do Aule, and I know Nenya has expressed interest in this RP... I would like to sign her up for Yavanna and Luthien... I am sure she would like to play those. But she cant get on for another two week, so......:(

[Mablung]

Well Yavanna would probably be needed in the beginning so unless we're waiting two weeks to begin shes probably not the best choice for that role.

[Anamatar IV]

It seems that uh Telchar has not yet been claimed....Dain? Where are you?;)

Naw I don't wanna play Telchar, really hehe.

But would anyone mind at all if I played Osse, Vassal of Ulmo?

But then who would play Uinen and bring back to Ulmo?

[Mablung]

I wanna know where he is on the Durin subject.

[Chymaera]

Originally posted by Nóm
That sounds interesting. I hope a lot of that kind of thing will happen in this RP.
Chymaera, I don't know if you know it or not but in PoMe it says that Celebrimbor was "aghast" at the behaviour of his father.
I did not know that. I did see that he did not take the Oath with the his father. So I am not too suprised that he was aghast.


On the subject of starting points. The Unchaining of Melkor, might be a good place to start IF we had a really good "BAD" Melkor :D

and to Dain's concern; there could be parallel RP's from Aman and Middle-earth.

[Elennainie]

Originally posted by Turgon
...Not too keen on starting with the Music of the Ainur though, that's a really special piece I think, there is nothing we could possibly add to it. It's a work of singular beauty, sacred almost, and I for one would not even dare to touch it - just couldn't do it justice.


Hear, hear, well said, Turgon. I wouldn't just say "sacred almost", though, I would say Sacred with a capital "S"!! It couldn't possibly be improved upon. Oh, the joys of that first reading.... :)

[Maedhros]

I would like to play the part of Celegorm too.
I would like to know if we are going to incorporate the later part of the mythos such as the shibboleth of Fëanor, of Dwarves and Men, How are we going to deal with the origin of Orcs, etc.
Man, I can't wait for the Dagor Bragollach or the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. When the first son, of the first prince of the Ñoldor uttered the challenge to Angband.

[Nóm]

I'm looking forward to those battles too.

I was thinking it might be best not to get into the origin of orcs... but I have no objections if we include this. A lot of people have probably not read Morgoth's Ring and so only know what is told in the Sil. That being so, it might be best if we use the elvish origin?

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Oh Aule! I could play every Dwarf if I could, but that wouldnt be fair I dont think. Of course I would love to play Durin, and Azaghal, but I dont have any desire to play Telchar, he's just an Elf. But I think we really need to get this RP starting soon; now even, and we can figure it out as we go along. Talking about it now saps the fun out of it I think.

I say we start now, two parallel RPs, one in Aman, the other in ME. Perhaps we can have two threads? That would be incredible! One could affect the other! Think about it! *LIGHTBULBS*

[Mablung]

I hate to nitpick but shouldn't Brodda be under evil?

[Anamatar IV]

Originally posted by Dáin Ironfoot I
but I dont have any desire to play Telchar, he's just an Elf.

erm no....he was a Dwarf indeed.

Anyways, I don't think we really need 2 threads. After the flight of the Noldor there would be no need for Aman. Before the flight of the Noldor there would be no need fro Middle earth. Shouldn't we do this as the book actually goes along (i.e NOT having the First Battle of Beleriand with the noldor in it or before the Noldor get to Middle earth).

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Ah! He WAS a Dwarf. I got Norgrod mixed up with Noldor... hroooom o well. I still like the idea of two threads for the Sil RP. Some characters remaining in ME may want to post about their happenings...

It will get extremely confusing if there is two different locations going on at the same time in one thread. It would be much more user friendly if all posts pertaining to Aman/Valinor were in one thread, and all posts pertaining to Beleriand/ME were in another.

[Anamatar IV]

But that is the thing: if we do this rp in the same order as the book there will be no need of two locations posting at once. It would be divied up by "chapters" I suppose. But I won't argue hehe. Let's see what everyone else wants.

[Turgon]

Just to update you on the RP - I've been working on a monster post to get this thing started, and have settled on the Unchaining of Melkor as a starting point, I'll have it finished by tomorrow evening and we can finally get this thing started. Apologies to all those who wanted to begin with the Awakening of the Elves... but there will be an opportunity for anybody wishing to narrate these events to do so. I just feel the time has come to get this thing off the ground.

Keep 'em peeled!

[chrysophalax]

Excellent choice! *now where did my script go...dangit!*

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I think since Luthien is far off, I know Nenya will be delighted to take that role. Also, please add my name to the cast list for Azaghal and Durin the Deathless. And as for Mim... ugh I am only noble Dwarves, not petty ones!

[Anamatar IV]

Originally posted by Anamatar IV

But would anyone mind at all if I played Osse, Vassal of Ulmo?

But then who would play Uinen and bring back to Ulmo?

Quote the Matar.;)

Turgon hmm I think we are all wondering the same thing: where is this surperly long post that was said to be posted by yesterday evening?:)

[Mablung]

I talked to Nenya last week actually and she said she wasn't sure she would woul Luthien because it would take up too much time and she refused to sign herself up for any roles until she got back.

[chrysophalax]

Ah, Anamatar! Never rush a master! I've written with Turgon for some time now and I've learned that his posts are always well worth the wait.

Mablung, I look forward to writing the Beleg/Mablung segments with you. Beleg has always been my hero and Turgon and I had hopes of one day writing something featuring those two. Should be fun!

[Maedhros]

I've written with Yurgon for some time now and I've learned that his posts are always well worth the wait.
Who is Yurgon?:confused:

[Nóm]

Originally posted by Maedhros
Who is Yurgon?:confused:
I think someone just smashed the top of the T, that's all.

I am glad that Beleg is being handled by someone who thinks so highly of him, and I can say that for other characters too.

I wouldn't worry too much about Luthien, just because I expect that someone will ask for the role once this gets going, and the rest of the forum sees how much fun we are having. :D

[Turgon]

Apologies to everyone - I'm really busy right now, my evil master has me working some pretty strange hours, and my evil tutor has given me an essay and a translation to complete by Monday. Pretty much got my hands full. I will have it finished by the weekend though - or my name isn't Turgon Took...;)

[Nóm]

I am wondering about Pengolodh :confused:... does anyone want to play him? If not, I guess I will just have to mention him in the RP... he can not be left out.;)

[chrysophalax]

Thanks, Maedhros....drat! Having failed perfection yet again I STILL don't get to start my own religion....*mumble, mumble*

[Maedhros]

Having failed perfection yet again I STILL don't get to start my own religion....*mumble, mumble*
Do dragons need a religion, when they can eat their followers?

[chrysophalax]

An interesting debate topic perhaps?:D

[Chymaera]

At the time of the Destruction of the Two Trees Celebrimbor would be between 150 and 200 years old. Just leaving adolesents and becomming an adult. He is loyal and dutiful to his father (Curufin) and worships is grandfather (Fëanor). He is a politically and emotionally innocent. He never listened to or was noticed by Melkor, and did not understand the strife between Fëanor and Fingolfin and Finarfin. His true concerns were with craft. He was with Fëanor as often as he could trying to learn all he could from him. He falls in love with Galadriel but the feeling was not returned, so he never married.(see Unfinished Tales: Of Celeborn and Galadriel)

This is off the top of my head for now, but his should be enough to get started ;)

[Maedhros]

I have a few observatons about Celebrimbor. If he worships Fëanor, then it would have been very probable that he too would have sworn the Oath just as his sons did.
I know about the part of Celebrimbor and Galadriel, but if Celebrimbor is the grandson of Fëanor then he and Galadriel would be too closely related for marriage.

[Chymaera]

Originally posted by Maedhros
I have a few observatons about Celebrimbor. If he worships Fëanor, then it would have been very probable that he too would have sworn the Oath just as his sons did.Celebrimbor knew that the murder of Finwë and the theft of the Silmarils was wrong but he also knew that the Oath of Fëanor was wrong too. He would still follow Fëanor out of duty but he was not vengeful himself.
Only Fëanor and his sons swore the Oath of all the Noldor.
I know about the part of Celebrimbor and Galadriel, but if Celebrimbor is the grandson of Fëanor then he and Galadriel would be too closely related for marriage. He knew that and she knew that too. that is what is so sad and tragic about the whole thing.

Of course at that point Tolkien had not decided if Celebrimbor was a Smith from Gondolin or of the House of Fëanor.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

I looked, and it didn't appear that these roles I am signing up for had been taken, so correct me if I intrude upon someone elses claim.

I will also sign up for-
Beren
Tulkas
Eonwe
Mandos
Huor


That's all I'll need, unless we get to a point where I have few posts, and there is a part needed. We need to have all of the Valar appointed, at least the important ones. Especially if we are to start in Valinor.

And, if anyone has any doubts as to my comitment and/or talent to play these characters, I am most sure that I can rid you of such negativity. ;)

[Maedhros]

If not, I guess I will just have to mention him in the RP... he can not be left out.
Why can't Pengoloð not be left out? In the Ainulindalë, he was the one telling the story to Ælfwine in Eressëa, and since JRRT seems to have abandoned the idea that the myth passed throught Ælfwine, who learned it by Pengoloð, why mention him at all?
The last conception is that the Sil was of Númenórean origin, granted that they had elvish contacts from Eressëa too, but I just don't see the need to mention Pengoloð.
Celebrimbor knew that the murder of Finwë and the theft of the Silmarils was wrong but he also knew that the Oath of Fëanor was wrong too. He would still follow Fëanor out of duty but he was not vengeful himself.
If you portray Celebrimbor that way, there is just no way in my mind that he would have sworn the oath too, if he worshiped Fëanor.

[Nóm]

Originally posted by Maedhros
Why can't Pengoloð not be left out?

Because I want him in it and having him in it would do no harm.

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

I will have it finished by the weekend though - or my name isn't Turgon Took...

Well, I guess your name isnt Turgon Took, eh? :p

[Chymaera]

Originally posted by Maedhros
If you portray Celebrimbor that way, there is just no way in my mind that he would have sworn the oath too, if he worshiped Fëanor.
How would you describe Celebrimbor's relationship with his father and grandfather?
(love, hate, envy, disdain, proud, embarrasment):confused:

We might be thinking along the same lines but sometimes I have problems expressing them properly.

[Chymaera]

Originally posted by Dáin Ironfoot I
Well, I guess your name isnt Turgon Took, eh? :p He never did change it legally. :D

I am sure that some evil has delayed him.

[Lhunithiliel]

Don't press on him, guys!
Have mercy and be patient! ;) :D

[Turgon]

The RP will be up and running tonight - having a few problems getting the opening the way I want it. Tolkien spent a lifetime writing the Silmarillion, so erm... just trying to keep up the grand tradition...:)

Elessar - Mandos and Tulkas have already been taken, but you're more than welcome to take up the other roles.

On another note - does anybody want to create a timeline for the early parts of the Sil? That way we can all a have reference when we write. Believe me, things can get confusing, it would be a great help - I spent an age writing a passage for my first post in which Finwë was gazing out at the sun setting on the Bliss of Valinor...:(

[chrysophalax]

Where's Grond when you need him? Perhaps the guys, Walter, et al. from Ost-in-Edhel and the Tolkien-Wiki might help out on the time-line??

[Mormegil]

The only First Age Timeline that I have seen is in Robert Fosters' The Complete Guide to Middle-Earth.

He raises the point that it is impossible to measure time correctly before the rising of the sun, when Fingolfin enters Mithrim. Although events before that time can be sequentially ordered.

Here is Robert Foster's timeline:

I The creation of Ea. The Valar, the Maiar, and Melkor enter Ea.

II The First War and the Marring of Arda. Tulkas enters Ea; Melkor retreats. The completion of Arda.

III The Spring of Arda begins. The Valar create the Lamps and settle in Almaren. Tulkas weds Nessa.

IV Melkor secretly returns to Arda, builds Utumno and the Ered Engrin, and partly blights the Spring.

V Melkor overthrows the Lamps; Almaren is destroyed. End of the Spring of Arda; beginning of the Sleep of Yavanna.

VI The Valar raise the Pelori and settle in Aman.

VII The Valar create the Two Trees, which begin to shine on the First Day. Beginning of the Count of Time.

VIII Varda kindles new stars; the Elves awaken in Cuivienen. They are harassed by Melkor; the first breeding of Orcs.

IX Orome discovers the Elves. The Battle of the Powers and the Chaining of Melkor. The Great Journey begins. Thingol and Melian wed.

X The first age of the Chaining of Melkor. The Sundering of the Elves. Some of the Eldar arrive in Aman; the Noontide of Valinor begins. The Sindar flourish in Beleriand. At the end of the age, Luthien is born.

XI The second age of the Chaining. Dwarves enter Beleriand and settle in the Ered Luin. At the end of this age, Thingol builds Menegroth.

XII The third age of the Chaining. Evil things begin to stir in Middle-earth. The Laiquendi come to Beleriand. Daeron invents the Cirth.

XIII Melkor is unchained. He raises dissension among the sons of Finwe. Feanor is banished for twelve years and Melkor vanishes from Valinor.

XIV The Darkening of Valinor; end of the Noontide. Melkor and Ungoliant poison the Two Trees, kill Finwe and steal the Silmarils.

XV The Long Night. Melkor and Ungoliant flee across the Helcaraxe and quarrel at Lammoth. Melkor rebuilds Angband. The revolt of the Noldor, the Kinslaying and the utterance of the Doom of Mandos. Melkor invades Beleriand; the first battle of the Wars of Beleriand. The Girdle of Melian is raised.

XVI The Long Night continues. Feanor burns his ships at Losgar. Dagor-nuin-Gileath; Feanor slain and Meadhros captured. Fingolfin marches to the Helcaraxe. The Valar prepare the Moon and Sun.

XVII The Moon rises. End of the Long Night (?) and the Sleep pof Yavanna; the Second Spring of Arda. Fingolfin enters Middle-earth. The Moon crosses the sky seven times.

FA 1 The Years of the Sun begin; the Sun rises in the West. Men awaken. Fingolfin enters Mithrim. The Orcs flee into Angband. Fingon rescues Meadhros. Fingolfin is named High King of Noldor. Varda causes the Siun to change direction.

21 Mereth Aderthad.

51 Ulmo appears to Finrod and Turgon in a dream. Finrod learns of the Caverns of Narog and begins to build Nargothrond, which is completed before Gondolin.

52 Ulmo reveals Tumladen to Turgon.

c.60 Dagor Aglareb. The Siege of Angband begins.

c.70 Thingol forbids the Sindar to speak Quenya.

104 The completion of Gondolin.

c.160 Orcs attack Hithlum from Lammoth.

c.260 Glaurung is defeated on Ard-galen. The Long Peace begins.

c.304 Aredhel leaves Gondolin.

c.306 Maeglin is born.

c.310 Finrod meets the Edain in Ossirland.

c.311 Beor enters the service of Finrod.

c.330 Aredhel and Maeglin enter Gondolin. Death of Aredhel and Eol.

c.355 Death of Beor.

c.365 Bereg of the First House returns to Eriador.

c.370 Haleth brings the Haladin to Brethil.

389 Birth of Hador.

c.425 The House of Hador settles in Dor-lomin.

c.441 Birth of Hurin.

444 Birth of Huor.

455 Winter: Dagor Bragollach; death of Hador and Fingolfin. End of the Siege of Angband and the Long Peace. Fingon becomes High King of the Noldor.

457 Sauron takes Tol Sirion. Beleg and Halmir hold the crossings of Teiglin. Hurin and Huor spend a year in Gondolin. About this time the Easterlings enter Beleriand.

460 Autumn: Death of Barahir and the outlaws of Dorthonion.

462 Orcs assault Hithlum from North and East; Galdor slain.

464 Winter: Beren flees Dorthonion.

465 Summer: Beren first sees Luthien. In this year Turin is born.

466 Spring: Luthien returns Beren's love. Summer: Beren is brought to Menegroth and undertakes the Quest of the Silmaril. Autumn: Beren in Nargothrond.

466-8 The Quest of the Silmaril. Death of Finrod and Draugluin. Tol Sirion cleansed; Sauron flees to Taur-nu-Fuin. Beren recovers a Silmaril. The Hunting of the Wolf; death of Beren, Huan, Carcharoth and Luthien.

c.470 Beren and Luthien in Tol Galen; Dior is born.

473 The Year of Lamentation. The Union of Maedhros and the Nirnaeth Arnoediad; death of Fingon and Huor, capture of Hurin and Gwindor. Turin is sent to Doriath. Tuor and Nienor are born. Turgon becomes High King of the Noldor.

474 Fall of the Falas; Cirdan retreats to Balar and builds the Havens of Sirion.

482-5 Turin fights with beleg in the marches of Doriath.

485 Death of Searos; Turin flees Doriath and becomes an outlaw.

486 Beleg finds Turin. Turin settles at Amon Rudh.

487 The Two Captains in Dor-Cuarthol. Amon Rudh betrayed. Beleg and Gwindor free Turin; death of Beleg. Turin comes to Nargothrond.

490 Tuor enslaved by Lorgan.

492 Tuor escapes and becomes an outlaw in Mithrim.

496 Defeat of the Haladin. Glaurung invades West Beleriand; the battle of Tumhalad and the sack of Nargothrond.Death of Orodreth, Gwindor, and Finduilas. Turin ensnared by Glaurung. Tuor comes to Nevrast and Gondolin. The Fell Winter.

497 Turin in Brethil.

500 Turin and Niemor wed.

501 Death of Glaurung, Nienor, Brandir and Turin

502 Hurin released from Thangorodrim. Death of Morwen. Hurin brings the Nauglamir to Thingol.

503 Wedding of Tuor and Idril. About this time Hurin dies.

504 Spring: Birth of Earendil.

c.505 Death of Thingol. The Dwarves sack Mengroth. Beren recovers the Nauglamir.

c.509 Second death of Beren and Luthien. The sons of Feanor sack Menegroth; death of Dior and Nimloth. Elwing flees to the Havens of Sirion.

511 Midsummer: Fall of Gondolin. Death of Ecthelion, Gothmog, Turgon, Maeglin, and Glorfindel. Tuor, Idril, and Earendil flee to the Havens of Sirion. Gil-galad named High King of the Noldor.

c.543 Tuor and Idril sail West. Earendil becomes lord of the people of the Havens and marries Elwing. Sometime after this Elrond and Elros are born.

Robert Foster concludes that if Elros died in SA 442, at the age of 500, then he was born 58 years before the end of the First Age. By this reckoning the First Age ended after 600 Years of the Sun.

[Lhunithiliel]

This could possibly be of help.
FirstAge (http://www.tolkienwiki.org/wiki.cgi?action=browse&id=FirstAge&oldid=FiA)

[Maedhros]

This is the most detalied Chronology that I have found of Before Time and the first age.
First Age Chronology (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=260308#post260308)

[chrysophalax]

All righty then! Ya gotta love the scholars!

[¤-Elessar-¤]

Alright, thanks Turgon.

And, about the timeline thing, we all need to stick to one of them, and it would probably be best if it was the simplest of those we can find. At least as simple as we can get and not leave out too much of the story. If we get too detailed it will become structured, and then it will loose all aspects of creativity and other things important to 'the greatest rp ever.'

[Turgon]

I don't think we need worry about the RP in that respect Elessar - the timeline will just be a guide and a reference for us...

Regarding my long awaited post. I'm going to cry off until the weekend - it's becoming something of a monster for me. I need a few days breather, to catch up on my other RP's and such. All these deadlines I'm giving myself are stressing me out. Hopefully it will be worth the wait.

[Turgon]

At last I've found a solution to the problem of my opening post! Maedhros has agreed to take up the role of Finwë, which is going to be a great help. Gave me a great idea too - I was having real trouble using Finwë as a narrator - but know I have the perfect one... Melkor himself!

[Maedhros]

Hehe, now I will be the Ñoldóran himself. I wonder up to what point we can expand on the stature of Finwë and Míriel. And yes, it was the Ñoldóran that stood by Morgoth and Ungoliant in Formenos.:)

[chrysophalax]

Interesting cast change, Maedhros...might be fun!;)

[Eöl]

I do not know if I am ready for this, but I will do Beren for now. If anyone else really wants to play his role, I would be happy to let them! Thanks to Nom for telling me about this!

[Mablung]

Originally posted by ¤-Elessar-¤
I looked, and it didn't appear that these roles I am signing up for had been taken, so correct me if I intrude upon someone elses claim.

I will also sign up for-
Beren
Tulkas
Eonwe
Mandos
Huor


That's all I'll need, unless we get to a point where I have few posts, and there is a part needed. We need to have all of the Valar appointed, at least the important ones. Especially if we are to start in Valinor.

And, if anyone has any doubts as to my comitment and/or talent to play these characters, I am most sure that I can rid you of such negativity. ;)

[chrysophalax]

Hm. Seems we have a bit of a problem here....

[Eöl]

Oops! Guess that's taken but it's not on the character list so I assumed it wasn't, I'll just find another role.

[Turgon]

My fault Eöl - been a bit lax in updating the cast list... but welcome aboard... there are still plenty of good roles up for grabs!

[Dáin Ironfoot I]

Turgon? What happened to that RP eh?

[Elora]

This indeed looks to be an ambitious and promising project, as Turgon mentioned to me...

I'd like to express interest in:

Melian
Lúthien
Elwing

I'm also happy to represent Valar. My chief constructed character being Ainur means that I have a few years of mixing it up in the Circle of Doom on other sites.

Of course, I've just read 9 pages of discussion and it's possible the roles I've mentioned above are already taken. If I have stuck my virtual hand up for a role already claimed, then I am indeed a pretender to a rightfully held role and do not intend to usurp anyone (at least that's the official story my publicist told me to run with ;) ).

I'm new to this site, but not role playing, the Silmarillion is one of my favoured pieces of Tolkien mastery.

So please, can I play too?

[Galdor]

Hmm, this look pretty cool. Right now I'm thinking of playing Galdor of Gondolin. But sense his part would of course only be in the fall of Gondolin, and maybe the battle of Unumbered tears....I'll go grab my Sil. and try to find another character to also play.

Compliments to Nom to getting me to join.;)

[Turgon]

Galdor and Elora, welcome to the RP!

The role of Melian is already taken I think, Elora, but I will pencil you in as both Lúthien and Elwing.

And Galdor, there are still many good roles to fill - I'm sure you'll be able to find something you like.

[Elora]

Thanks Turgon!

I'm looking forward to writing those two fine characters with you all.

[Elennainie]

Any word on when this RP will start? Thanks.

[¤-Elessar-¤]

yes, I will need to know when we will commence. I would appriciate a PM by someone at the beginning, if it isn't too much trouble. I don't look into this forum too much anymore.

[The-Elf-Herself]

Um, I was wondering if I could join this RPG? I'm well-versed in the Sil and this idea sounds very interesting. I'm not sure who I would play, as I'm not sure which characters are taken and which ones aren't(the list at the beginning of the thread being a little out of date maybe). :confused:

[Niniel]

I'm not sure it's going to happen at all... Turgon seems to have left this RPG together with his mod function.. or is someone still working on it?

[Nóm]

I did PM him about it very recently, but I have not heard back yet.

The-Elf-Herself, we have Curufin, Caranthir, and Andreth left to name a few.

[The-Elf-Herself]

Oh, well if this is still going to happen, I'll play Andreth and Haleth if she's still free.

[Eöl]

Nom please put me down as Aegnor, I have been waiting to talk to you on MSN but you haven't been on in ages...:confused:

[Nóm]

Eol you agreed to Aegnor awhile back, didn't you? I am sorry, I thought you wanted Angrod.

Did anyone claim Angrod's role? I thought someone did, if not Eol then I don't remember who. Whoever it was (if any) please remind me.

I'll go through this thread later and make an updated list but will run it by Turgon before it is posted.

[Eöl]

One of Aegnor or Angrod, anyway I would like both now!:p Thanks!

[Anamatar IV]

You know we have a BIG problem. There is a BIG cast list here. A HUGE amount of characters but too few players. It is only natural that we will forget which characters we play somewhere along the line. I can see it now; people posting frantically on this thread "Who plays Thingol? Who plays Beren?" Any possible solutions?

[Eöl]

Silly Anamatar, look at the first page. There's a post by Turgon that has the cast list on it. It's not updated though, so maybe Nom could update it...?

[Aulë]

OK, I'll play Amras, Aulë and Mîm if they aren't taken. As well as any other Dwarves that Dain hasn't claimed yet.
(And any other minor roles that need doing)

[Anamatar IV]

Originally posted by Eöl
Silly Anamatar, look at the first page. There's a post by Turgon that has the cast list on it. It's not updated though, so maybe Nom could update it...?

Yes but what if it isn't known if that list is updated?;) Yeah I was just pulling for anything I got there.

But in all seriousness it could cause big problems if someone forgot who they played...

[Elora]

Streuth, Aulë!

If you're doing any unclaimed minor dwarven roles AND you're the token australian, is there room for another australian who has no interest in being anyone's cobber and is happy to fill in for female minor roles in addition to the ones that she has already stuck her hand up for?


(Sorry Aulë, saw the location details and could not resist ;) )

[Nóm]

A few of you may not know that Webmaster has started a new site dedicated to Role Playing. It is a spin off of this site, and the so RPs that would have been started here at TTF are now to be started over there. Go here for more information on this. (http://www.thetolkienforum.com/showthread.php?threadid=11237&perpage=15&pagenumber=1).

So the question now is: is everyone willing to register at the new RP site if the Silmarillion RP is to be there? Middle-earth RPG (http://www.middle-earth-rpg.com/index.php?) uses the same software as TTF, so using the forum will be exactly like using TTF. We also get to register the user names we use here at TTF.

I don't see this being a problem for anyone, but please let me know if it is.

Also, the updated cast list will be posted soon.

[Niniel]

I don't see a problem in it. Could you keep us informed here as to when the Sil RPG will actually start on the other site?

[Elora]

Actually I'm already registered there thanks to an early tip off.

Thanks for letting us know. :)

[Nóm]

Could you keep us informed here as to when the Sil RPG will actually start on the other site?
Yes, and so far I haven't heard anything about when we will start over there.

There is an updated cast list, but it has not been posted. I sent it to Turgon a few minutes ago. I suppose it will be posted within the next 2 days.

For now I'll post some suggestions for any new-comers looking for a role.

Amrod
Gil-galad
Saeros
Cirdan
Daeron
Gelmir (Gwindor's brother)
Finduilas
Dior
Nimloth
Barahir, Gorlim and the other companions
Eilinel (Gorlim's wife)
Gelmir 2
Annael
Arminas
And for crying out loud... Voronwe ;)


Some of those roles are tiny in the Silmarillion but they can be expanded upon.

Ciryaher, you asked about Tevildo... I take it you would like to play this role?

Also, Turgon said in a post that Tulkas is taken but I did not see who took the role.

PS: Aule just told me over MSN that he'd take the role of Telchar.

[The-Elf-Herself]

Alright, I think I can do Morwen, Rian, and Elenwe as well.

[Nenya Evenstar]

I might be able to take a few more . . . so far I'm only playing Galadriel.

I could take on Yavanna, Caranthir, and Ulfang. Let me know if that works or if there's a problem. :D

[Ciryaher]

Aye, Nóm, I'd be most definitely interested in playing Tevildo, Prince of Cats. :D

[Nóm]

The list in Turgon's post is updated now. If anyone has questions, or noticed something wrong in the list, please let me know.


Amrod
Gil-galad
Saeros
Cirdan
Daeron
Gelmir (Gwindor's brother)
Finduilas
Dior
Nimloth
Barahir, Gorlim and the other companions
Eilinel (Gorlim's wife)
Gelmir 2
Annael
Arminas
Voronwe

Are still up for grabs as of the date of this post.

[Eöl]

I would like to take Gil-galad also, if that isn't too many characters? That means I have Aegnor, Angrod and now maybe Gil-galad.

[Elora]

Would I be greedy if I asked also for Finduilias?

I have a long running adoration of the Tale of Turin, have role played extensively in the past with a Turin and would love the opportunity to do the original work.

[Elfarmari]

Could I play Voronwe? I could also play Barahir or any of his companions, if no one else wants to.
I currently have Hurin and Huan, but I don't think any of these would interfere with each other.

[Elora]

This may seem a sudden reversal, I but needs must announce my intention to withdraw from this role play and from TTF overall.

Fortunate that it had not yet started, I guess.

It is an ambitious project, and one that has impressive potential. The tales of the Silmarillion are filled with joy, sorrow, bravery and despair. For a role player, that just smacks of fun.

I hope you all enjoy it as you should.

[Ithrynluin]

I'd like to be Círdan as well.:rolleyes:

[Nóm]

Elora, I am sorry to see you go as I looked forward to your Luthien and all of your writing.

As for the other roles that people have requested, it shouldn't a problem. I'll wait for Turgon to take action though, or run it by him.

I'm glad to see someone wants to play Voronwe, he's a great guy, unlike Curufinrodhater and Celegorm.

Still no word about when we'll start.

[Elora]

Nom, I am sorry to announce it but events leave me little option.

All in all, as attempts to resolve this have led squarely to nowhere, I have decided to take my writing elsewhere.

You'll fill my roles with an able writer of that I am sure.

Best regards to you Nóm.

[Nóm]

Fingon will not be played by gate7ole. Someone else may take this role now.

[Eöl]

I'll take it, and then I'm done I promise!:D

[Maedhros]

You will let us know when it will begin, won't you Turgon?

[Niniel]

Last thing I heard Nóm was taking care of it but I haven't heard anything about it since a long time. I don't know if it's going to happen at all.

[The-Elf-Herself]

Aw, really? Oh well. I was really looking forward to playing my characters, especially Haleth and Andreth.

[Aulë]

Anymore updates?

Is this a 'go go', or a 'no go'?

[Bethelarien]

So are all the characters taken? I just found this thread. :(

[Aulë]

These aren't taken yet:

Amrod
Saeros
Daeron
Gelmir (Gwindor's brother)
Dior
Nimloth
Eilinel (Gorlim's wife)
Gelmir 2
Annael
Arminas

btw Nom, I believe that Elora has returned, so she'll be able to participate once more.

[Turgon]

The Silmarillion RP is still very much alive. Though perhaps nobody would guess judging by my participation in this thread. I can only apologies for that to everyone who has asked over the last month or so. I hope to have some good news very soon for all those still interested - but until then please bear with me.

~ Turgon.

[Niniel]

Hey Turgon, you're back! I hope the RPG will start soon, I still would like to play and so are many other people.