Ancalagon vs. Glaurung

Discussion in '"The Silmarillion"' started by Link, Apr 29, 2003.


Who could destroy the other?

  1. Ancalagon

    16 vote(s)
  2. Glaurung

    10 vote(s)
  1. BlackCaptain

    BlackCaptain Vast Menace of Despair

    Dec 22, 2002
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    We obviously have a very good topic here...

    This is almost like comparing Hulk Hogan to Brock Lesnar if anyone knows anything about wrestling. Well Brock Lesnar has had more and better equipment and state of the art training at his fingertips and is the greatest wrestler in the buisness. He is the ultimate wrestler. Hogan however is an older and more expierienced wrestler. A true veteran who has lots of accomplishments under his belt, while Lesnar has few.

    Ancalagon has gone under alot of new expireaments and has been perfected, while Glaurung has so many more accomplishments and is a great Dragon, though he would be outskilled by Ancalagon in a duel.

    It's hard to put it into words, but Glaurung is just so accomplished as a Dragon, while Ancalagon really never had a chance to prove anything
  2. Lamaendír

    Lamaendír New Member

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    Why are there so many people saying Glaurung was bigger? His entire body was hardly larger than a deer's leap (he had to jump to get over Cabed-en-Aras). He was obviously Morgoths first attempt at creating a dragon, so he wouldn't be perfect because he's basically a prototype.
    Now Ancalagon on the other hand was the product of Morgoth experimenting and breeding better dragons, and Ancalagon was the absolute best Morgoth could create. He was large enough to crumble Thangorodrim, which was at that time the highest peak in middle earth. Ancalagon would have been at least 15x Glaurungs size, possibly more than 20x.
    Glaurung was the first, but definitely not the greatest. That title goes to Ancalagon.

  3. Azrubêl

    Azrubêl Drúadan

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    The Undying Lands
    Welcome to the forums, dragon-lord.
  4. Palantir

    Palantir New Member

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    xD ... So True..

    Let's examine some evidence..

    -Ravaged ard-galen, driven back by Fingon (elves)

    -Dagor Bragollach:
    Was teamed with not only an entire army
    He also had an enormous army of orcs, and all the Balrogs
    And by the way, Morgoth unleashed the fires from the Iron mountains...

    -Nirnaeth Arnoediad:
    Had a brood of lesser dragons and undoubtedly an enormous host of orcs

    -Sack of Nargothrond:
    Faced Men and Elves, with another host of orcs

    -Killed by a man (Turin) on the ground

    -Had dragon enchanting spells/Dragon eye/evil intelligence

    -"was the largest dragon to have ever existed in Middle-earth."

    -Ancalagon and his armada of winged fire-drakes by themselves
    drove back the Host of the Valar during the War of Wrath at the end of the First Age.. Thats the Entire host of the armies of Valinor, Valar, Maiar, all arrayed in battle....

    -"and so sudden and ruinous was the
    onset of that dreadful fleet that the host of the Valar was
    driven back, for the coming of the dragons was with great
    thunder, and lightning, and a tempest of fire"

    -"But Eärendil came, shining with white flame, and about
    Vingilot were gathered all the great birds of heaven and
    Thorondor was their captain, and there was battle in the air
    all the day and through a dark night of doubt"

    So Earendil, (An ascended man) who travelled upon the vessel Vingilot in the sky (Hallowed by Valar), with ALL the great birds of heaven- including Thorondor- the Greatest Eagle of all time? It took these guys all day and through a dark night of doubt to kill the uruloki fleet..

    -Then when he died, he literally smote Thangorodrim beneath him. He literally broke the 3 peaks of the largest mountains in Middle Earth.

    -"the mightiest of the dragon-host, and cast him from the sky;
    and he fell upon the towers of Thangorodrim, and they were
    broken in his ruin"

    -"nor was there ever any dragon, not even Ancalagon the Black, who could have harmed the One Ring"

    Of all the dragons Gandalf chose to reference.. he chooses Ancalagon.

    The conclusion is rather obvious... Ancalagon the black was the greatest of the winged dragons. Ancalagon smote Thangorodrim in his wake. It took an army of enchanted cisrcumstances and the greatest flock of Eagles Arda has ever seen to kill him. Ancalagon not only would have dwarfed Glaurung in stature, but would have made quick work of him on the battlefield.

    Ancalagon wins. EZ.

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