Are there any passages in LOTR that you find irritating?

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  1. Musica

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    I love Tolkien's works, especially LOTR and mostly enjoy every word. However, there are a few passages (very few, indeed) that I find irritating. Here's one:

    The Fellowship of the Ring, Book Two, Chapter IV, A Journey In The Dark.

    The Company have arrived at the hidden doors of Moria. All dislike the unclean pool. Boromir throws a stone into the pool. This is Frodo's response:

    "Why did you do that, Boromir? said Frodo. I hate this place, too, and I am afraid. I don't know of what: not of wolves, or the dark behind the doors, but of something else. I am afraid of the pool. Don't disturb it!"

    This passage causes me to raise my eyebrows, shake my head and grimace! Frodo says he's afraid but doesn't know of what. Then he says he's afraid of the pool. o_O:rolleyes::eek:
     
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    I took it to mean there was something ominous about the pool, but he didn't know what it was.

    He soon found out, of course.

    I'll admit to being a little irritated when I come to Aragorn's entry scene into the Paths of the Dead, after having read the drafts.

    Perhaps, rather than "irritated", "regretful" would be the more appropriate word -- that Tolkien didn't go back and fix it.

    But considering that it took 14 years to complete the thing, I can hardly blame him for wanting to get it off his hands.
     
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    Having read on, I did not experience the part you mentioned at the doors of Moria as inconsistent, when taking into account Frodo's increased awareness of evil around him:

    Though he had been healed in Rivendell of the knife-stroke, that grim wound had not been without effect. His senses were sharper and more aware of things that could not be seen. One sign of change that he soon had noticed was that he could see more in the dark than any of his companions, save perhaps Gandalf. And he was in any case the bearer of the Ring: it hung upon its chain against his breast, and at whiles it seemed a heavy weight. He felt the certainty of evil ahead and of evil following; but he said nothing. He gripped tighter on the hilt of his sword and went on doggedly.
     
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    I think you're right. That's the only conclusion to come to.

    I'll have to go back and read Aragorn's entry into the Paths of the Dead to understand what you're referring to. Hopefully today!

    I think you're right. He felt that the pool was evil but didn't know exactly why.
     

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    Essentially, two chapters changed places, with odd results for the description of the Firienfield and approach to the Paths of the Dead. I brought it up here:

    http://www.thetolkienforum.com/index.php?threads/dunharrow.23617/

    Though -- as usual -- wasn't very clear on what I was asking about. :rolleyes:
     
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    I remember loathing Bilbo's "Earendil was a mariner" song in Rivendell, but I'd have to read it again to make sure.
     
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    I didn't like that either. Boring!

    I never thought the whole business was really clear. Especially . . what was the significance of the king's lore about men who had come upon an old man who looked like he was dead but wasn't, and he said to them "the way is shut," and then he died.
     
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    I'm confused about Sauron's viewpoint concerning the ring. For me, confusion = irritation! ;-) Somewhere in The Fellowship of the Ring, perhaps when Gandalf was speaking to Frodo in The Shadow of the Past or at The Council of Elrond, someone (probably Gandalf) says that Sauron believed the elves had destroyed the ring (after his defeat in the second age). However, in The Return of the King, in the Mount Doom chapter, it says that Sauron was afraid because he knew he was doomed if Frodo cast the ring into the fire.

    Why was he so afraid? If he believed for so long that the elves had destroyed the ring, he knew he was still powerful. Then he finds out that the ring had not been destroyed and that it had been found. Then suddenly he's afraid if the ring is destroyed. Doesn't make sense to me.

    I'd like to read that thread but it will have to wait. It's been a long day and I'm exhausted. Goodnight all!