Biblo's insult....... read and answer

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  1. Warrior

    Warrior I read therefore I am

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    Remember how Biblo insulted the people at his birthday celebration by telling them how he felt, and why he chose exactly 144 people to attend the special family dinner?

    A refresher-The setting and floor show (so to speak):

    pg 28
    There was a splendid supper for everyone; for everyone, that is, except those invited to the special family dinner party....The invitations were limited to 12 dozen (a number also called by the the hobbits One Gross, though the word was not considered proper to use of people); and the guests were selected from all the families to which Biblo and Frodo were related, with the addition of a few special unrelated friends (such as Gandalf)....The Sackville-Bagginses were not frogotten, Otho, and his wife Lobelia were present. They disliked Biblo and detested Frodo...All one hundred forty-four guests expected a pleasant feast, though the rather dreaded they after dinner speech of their host......

    If they only knew :D

    pg 29-30
    " I've gathered you all together for a purpose.....to tell you that I am immensely fond of you all, and that eleventy-one years is too short a time to live among such excellent and admirable hobbits."

    Tremondous outburst of approval.

    "I don't know half of you as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." :p

    This was unexpected and rather difficult. There was some scattered clapping, but most of them were trying to work it out and see if it came out to a compliment.
    He went on to say......"To celebrate my birthday. Cheers, again. I should say OUR birthday. For it is, of course, also the birthday of my heir and nephew, Frodo....Together we score one hundred and forty-four. Your numbers were chosen to fit this remarkable total. One Gross, if I may use the expression....."
    Many of his guests were insulted, feeling sure they had only been asked to fill up the required number, like goods in a package.

    'One Gross inded! Vulgar expression.'

    I love the way Biblo told off the unsecpeting people at his birthday celebration. Granted, it wasn't directed toward everyone, because when he said, (I don't know half of you as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve) it tells you right there it wasn't. But what I like the smooth way inwhich he did it.

    It isn't direct and straight forward, especially when it comes down to who he is directing the insults too, but nevertheless, he got his point accross.

    Haven't you ever wanted to gather together friends, and not, and tell them exactly how you felt, in a round about way, or would you rather it be an 'in your face' approach to telling someone, or a group how you felt?

    I like the, shall I say, smooth way, inwhich he insulted them, and you know without a doubt that the Sackville-Bagginses are at the top of the list, you are just not sure as to who else is being insulted as well.

    Do you agree with me? Tell me what you think.
     
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  2. Elessar II

    Elessar II The Clark Kent of ME

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    I could be wrong, but I thought he said, "... and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
    In which case he wasn't really insulting anyone, but telling them he couldn't like them enough, in hobbit fashion.
     

  3. Warrior

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    Thanks for pointing that out, I didn't mean to misquote.

    But, to me it seems as if he is insulting them, not out right but in his own way, he's saying that he likes less than half of them half ;) as well as they deserve, so there's no love lost, so to speak.
     
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    Elessar II The Clark Kent of ME

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    I don't know, it could go either way. Phrases like that are meant to seriously mess with your mind :).
     

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    Samwise_hero My Humble Abode

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    He did insult them. i pretty damn sure...... but yeah id like to tell my 'friends' what i think of them. especially when to some i don't even exist....
     
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    33Peregrin hmmm

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    Hmmmmmm..... I decided one time for myself that it was a compliment. Let's see.... ' I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.' He is saying that for some of the hobbits (half) he doesn't like them as well as they really deserve to be liked. So saying that he doesn't like them as much as they deserve, because he doesn't know them well enough.
     
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    Welllllllll, I keep reading it, and all I see is an insult, because I believe that the people he is talking about he knows, when he says '....and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve.' So, I say that he's saying less than half of the people, there at the family party, he can't even say he likes them a little bit, because to him they rank lower than low. But, as for the first half of his statement, 'I don't know half of you as well a I should like....' I think he's saying that he regreats the fact that he didn't take the time to get to know them better.
     
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    33Peregrin hmmm

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    I can see how you think of it as an insult, if you read of it in that way. It was just the first part of the statement 'I don't know half of you half as well as I should like', that made me think of the second part of the statement 'and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve' as apologetic for not knowing them as well as they all deserve.
     
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    Very sorry for the necroposting. But had to get this off my chest somewhere.

    I think Bilbo's quote is a double insult if you focus on the things that remain unsaid.

    "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like"
    When you reverse this for the other half it says:
    "I know half of you better than I like"

    and

    "I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve"
    becomes
    "I like more than half of you (most of you) more than you deserve"

    So first he says that he knows half of them more than he should like. And then he adds that he still likes them even more than they deserve.
     
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