Boromir's Death

Discussion in 'Tolkien's versus Jackson's 'LOTR'' started by Ariana Undomiel, Aug 9, 2002.

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Did you like the scene of Boromir's death better in the book or in the movie?

Poll closed Aug 23, 2002.
  1. I think Tolkien did a better job.

    9 vote(s)
    47.4%
  2. I think PJ did a better job.

    10 vote(s)
    52.6%
  3. I didn't like that scene either way.

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Ariana Undomiel

    Ariana Undomiel Hrívëvendë

    I thought it would be interesting to discuss the difference between Boromir's death in the book and in the movie. I personally felt that Peter Jackson did a fantastic job giving the audience a reason to forgive Boromir of his horrific error in his attempt to take the ring from Frodo. In the book the scene is a little less emotional and not so clear about Boromir's sincere grief over his crime. However, in the movie Peter Jackson shows Boromir's sincere remorse, repentance and humility. Which do you think was better?

    "I would have followed you my brother, my captain, my king." - Boromir to Aragorn just before he dies.

    ~Ariana
     
  2. Mindy_O_Lluin

    Mindy_O_Lluin GOO. . . foff

    I like the book better because I thought the scene in the movie was embarrasingly drawn out and sentimental. Sorry, I just don't like mushy-ness, and I hate over-dramatizing for the purpose of manipulating the audience's emotions. That makes it in-genuine. That's just my personal opinion.
     
  3. Gamil Zirak

    Gamil Zirak The Ladies' Dwarve

    PJ ruined the scene by having Aragorn find Frodo after the attack by Boromir. The way Tolkien wrote it was with only Aragorn and Frodo knowing of the attack. By Aragorn not telling anyone, Tolkien shows Boromir's grief and repentance. Also Boromir's valient defence of Pippin and Merry was done better in the book. Boromir's reciliance as a fighter is shown more by dieing only because his back was full of arrows, not because one orc kept shot him a few times.
     
  4. Ariana Undomiel

    Ariana Undomiel Hrívëvendë

    I think the scene with Boromir running to the rescue in the movie was awesome. Throughout the movie little hints are shown about Boromir's affection for Merry and Pippin which was an interesting little twist. Then when he rushes to the rescue and continues to fight even after having three arrows shot into areas containing vital organs shows his determination to protect his friends. That's so neat and very well done!

    ~Ariana
     
  5. Darth Saruman

    Darth Saruman Registered User

    Boromir had some of the best scenes in that movie.

    From the Council of Elrond when he says

    One does not simply walk into Mordor...not with ten thousand men could you do this

    and

    Gondor has no king, Gondor needs no king.

    On the mountain when he is first tempted by the ring:

    It is a strange fate that we should suffer so much fear and doubt over so small a thing. Such a little thing.

    In Moria,

    They have a cave troll...

    In Lothlorien, which reveals his doubts about himself, and his devotion to Gondor and his father. And he starts to befriend Aragorn:

    One day, our paths will lead us there, and the tower guard will take up the call, 'the lords of Gondor have returned!


    And, yes, his final scenes, defending Merry and Pippen and dying next to Aragorn:

    My brother, my captain, and my king.
     
    Last edited: Aug 10, 2002
  6. Mad Adski

    Mad Adski Registered User

    I actually felt Tolkien was a little over the top with the twenty or so arrows and the piles of Orcs around Boromir - you try getting shot with an arrow and continue sword fighting - let alone being shot three times and killing at least half a dozen Orcs.

    I also felt that Boromir's death was better used in FOTR, rather than at the start of the TT, as this gave the first part more of an actual conclusion - at least as a film, anyway.
     
  7. lilhobo

    lilhobo Retired

    i agree with you on only the first line...i cant understand the second, coz it seems that only the two of them would know anyways....

    the way tolkien wrote it was that Frodo made up his mind to go it alone and Aragorn respected it. PJ made it out that they had a conference and decided that frodo should go alone....PJ had to do it that way coz he messed up the Prancing Pony scene where Aragorn should have had already won over Frodo with his sincerity and "look foul feel fair" speech
     
  8. Ancalagon

    Ancalagon Quality, not Quantity!

    I think one of the very best parts of the film was PJs ability to capture Boromirs brave departure. Sean Bean played the role without flaw in my opinion and this particular scene was extremely well done. The sound of the arrows hit Boromir is one of the lasting moments I have from watching it in the cinema.

    Don't really see how this was drwan out in the film. Sorry, but I have no complaint about this part of the film at all. I will agree, the part of Frodo meeting Aragorn is rather pointless, but minor in reality.

    As for which version was better; Tolkien had the idea and scripted the story, PJ was able to add sound and vision to that idea and create this cinematic version. Tolkien of course is the genius, PJ brought it to life.
     
  9. lilhobo

    lilhobo Retired

    what was really pointless was the Orc trying to shoot Boromir with the bow at 2 feet lol....it would have made an impact if the orc had dropped the bow and slowly draw out a blade in preparation for beheading......

    the only good thing about the dying of Boromir (all the other things seem standard fare) was the way the orc just ignored Boromir and went their merry way after seeing him shot....the silence was poignant
     
  10. Turgon

    Turgon Ghost-King of Gondolin

    I agree with Anc wholeheartedly - Boromir's death was one of the highlights of the film. On first viewing I was disappointed that Boromir wasn't shot-full of arrows (much like Washizu in Kurosawa's Throne of Blood) but on second viewing, it got me... the part with the orcs filing past the kneeling Boromir was wonderful... PJ captured Boromir's tragedy perfectly.
     
  11. Talimon

    Talimon Registered User

    There is actually a good reason why Aragorn met Frodo before Frodo left, and it has nothing to do with Aragorn letting Frodo go on his own. In Rivendell (in the movie) Arwen tells Aragorn, when talking about Isildurs lust for the ring, "You will face the same evil, and you will defeat it." This brought it around full circle. Besides that, it was great how, when Aragorn is tempted, you can almost subliminally hear voices saying "Aragorn...Aragorn...". You could really see how hard it was for him to let go of it.

    As for Aragorn letting Frodo go, I suppose you are reffering to the line where he says, "I would have followed you to the end, to the very fires of Mordor." It would have been possible to have the orcs approach and not have Aragorn let Frodo go, and so later Frodo could make the decision himself. But I don't think this hurts the movie, and in many ways enhances it. And the main point of Frodo leaving, him not telling Sam, was kept intact, and so the scene lost nothing for me emotionally.

    As for Boromirs actual death, Tolkien perhaps wrote the more "realistic" version, if that word even applys here, but not the most entertaining or emotional one. PJ, understandably, used Boromirs death as a vehicle to leave the audience in an emotional high by the end of the film. The ending of the movie, in my opinion, is the strongest part of the film. You can literally feel the tides turning when Frodo stands there by the water contemplating his fate, and the fate of all of Middle Earth. And Aragorns lines to Boromir foreshadow the epic struggle to come,

    "I do not know what strength is in my blood, but I swear to you that I will not let the white city fall, nor our people fail."
     
  12. Parrot

    Parrot You're kiddin', right?

    While I won’t go so far as to say the movie version was the superior of the two, I would agree wholeheartedly with Anc’s statements that it was extremely well done and was in no way a detriment to the story. I would really disagree with GZ’s assertion that Boromir’s resilience or fighting spirit were not well shown; the scene where he is hit by the first arrow (or two) and drops to his knees and yet then goes on fighting tenaciously was superbly played by Bean and was especially powerful, IMO. I don’t think only taking three arrows, and big-ass arrows too, exactly makes you a wuss.

    I would also echo Talimon’s statements that a main reason for having the meeting between Aragorn and Frodo was to have Aragorn pass the “ring test” very directly and unmistakably and thus overcome some of his nagging doubts about his lineage and his own moral mettle. PJ added emphasis to this scene by presenting Aragorn’s test after the “unread” audience has had a chance to see Boromir’s failing firsthand and thus gain more understanding of the lure and corrupting nature of the ring. It also gets us around the old “Why did Aragorn let him go?” conundrum.

    This is uhh…. a little thin, IMO. I don’t see why your way would have more impact and it seems to me, nothing would have been more “standard fare” or a hackneyed cliché than having the orc “drop his bow” (speaking of lol, he might still need that baby) and take the time to “slowly draw a blade”, rather than just pumping another arrow into him. Why does the orc care how he dies, especially when they have the halflings and are supposed to be making a hasty departure?
     
  13. Mad Adski

    Mad Adski Registered User

    I falt that the use of the bow was actually more dramatic, particularly as PJ played upon the sound of the bow being drawn back. I don't think it really mattered the method with which Lurtz was attempting to kill Boromir, just the fact that he was not able to finish him, thanks to Aragorn - set up for a confrontation that helped give the film more of an actual conclusion.

    While it is true that it doesn't stay true to Tolkien's work, you must take into account the difference in formats - what works in a book does not always work in a film.
     
  14. Lhunithiliel

    Lhunithiliel Fëanorean

    I VOTE FOR PJ's work!

    This is one of the favourite scenes in the movie! So tragic! So touching!
    Such strong feelings!!!!
    In the book, though I have read it THREE times, I can't feel the tragedy. Only in the grief of Faramir and Denethor it can be really felt!
    I think PJ, just like me, has felt the real human tragidy in the character of Boromir! That is why he has chosen to make this scene the way he did - SPLENDID!

    And if you still can't feel it, here is smth. for you:
     
  15. Bombadillo

    Bombadillo Skipping right along

    you thought that the dead of boromir was great??
    the first time i was bored after the second arrow, and the guy lives on for about FIFTEEN (!!!!) minutes!!
    the other times i just looked at the audience gazing at the screen, my only thought about that scene was "Die, you fool!!"
    it just looked like a childrens play, where a little boy dies and rises and dies and rises and dies and rises and dies and rises and dies and rises and dies and rises...
    this is ony my personal modest opinion....
     
  16. Melian Le Fay

    Melian Le Fay Lover of night

    Don't forget that Boromir was one of the descendants of Numenoreans, who were much stronger and could take more than other men. They were imagined to be much better than us!
     
  17. Melian Le Fay

    Melian Le Fay Lover of night

    Did any of you notice that Boromir speaks of the Hobbits as "the little ones", especially at the end of the film?
    I think that was very sweet, and really showed a more tender side of him... and his affection towards Merry and Pippin..
    He just felt like a "deeper" personality in the film...
    As someone on this thread posted, JRRT was a genious, but PJ knew how to take the best of it and give it life...(concerning Boromir)
     
  18. Precious

    Precious Registered User

    I have to agree. It gave him depth and definately fleshed him out. I loved the scene where he's practicing sword fighting with Merry and Pippin. I think PJ did a top notch job on the death scene....made me cry:( :D
     
  19. lilhobo

    lilhobo Retired

    have you people done any archery?? an arrow picks up momentum as it leaves the bow, and it has maximum damage at optimum distance. This distance IS NOT point blank range.
     
  20. aragil

    aragil Just another loremaster

    I'm not sure Lurtz was an understander of the fine points of physics (that was Ugluk's domain). The arrow might not have made as much of an impact at 2 feet, but certainly the cinematic impact was greater, IMO.
     

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