Dwarves with blue beards?

Discussion in '"The Hobbit"' started by j0n4th4n, Jan 20, 2003.

  1. j0n4th4n

    j0n4th4n in a tree

    I haven't got a copy of the hobbit in front of me at the moment but im pretty sure theres mention of a dwarf having a 'blue' beard at the begining of the book. so whats this all about then? did some dwarves have naturally blue beards? or was it dyed? or was it just a way of saying 'grey'?
  2. Gothmog

    Gothmog Lord of Balrogs Staff Member

    The Hobbit: An Unexpected Party

    I could not find evidence of such colours in LotR. But It is not unlikely that such a people as Dwarves who seem to like to be noticed within their own kin and use Masks in warfare to intimidate their foes would indeed dye their beards and hair for either perpose.
  3. Ithrynluin

    Ithrynluin seeker of solace Staff Member

    Maybe Dwarves from houses other than that of Durin the Deathless have different hair/beards.
    Were all the Dwarves of Thorin's company from Durin's house?
    (too lazy to go look myself:p )
  4. Flame of Udûn

    Flame of Udûn Durin's Bane

    Maybe blue-grey? Iron-grey?
  5. j0n4th4n

    j0n4th4n in a tree

    yes they were all of durins line. all the dwarves named in the histories are of durins apart from the petty dwarves. the other lines are only mentioned collectively, for example in lotr appendix A they helped durins folk.
    see the post 'races of the dwarves' in the hall of fire
  6. ltas

    ltas Apprentice

    Couldn't very dark black be described as "blue"? Naturally dark hair does have a kind of a blue shade in some light, doesn't it? Hmm.
  7. Dáin Ironfoot I

    Dáin Ironfoot I Vive la revolution!

    Well, I doubt the beard was really blue, I agree more with Itas' statement in that it was a very deep black, which looks blue in certain light. Calling someone's hair blue is also a very descriptive and poetic way to do so, I have seen it many times. For example, take Psylocke from the X-Men. Her hair is drawn purple, yes I know she is a mutant, but she is Japanese. Her hai is black in reality, but they draw it purple to exagerate the blackness of it (I saw that somewhere...;) ) But that would be cool if Dwarves really had bright blue beards, not to mention psychodellic (like the Lemon Nemoy video)
  8. Baranlas

    Baranlas Naked Orcs

    well there dwarves not humans so whats to say they couldnt have natural blue beards
  9. jallan

    jallan Registered User

    I once knew a woman with natural green hair.

    She had some sort of metabolic problem with copper, and apparently it came out in her hair.
  10. 33Peregrin

    33Peregrin hmmm

    Jallan, that's cool.

    Dwarves... I just thought the blue was like a grreyish blue. Kind of like the fur on some dogs. Like the Blue heeler or something.

    Same with the yellow beards.:)
  11. Evenstar373

    Evenstar373 Travler!!!

    my nabor has a Yorkie Terrer & if a Yorkie is not mixed they will have blue & gold color fur the blue part is like a gry color

    iam not so shure about the gold part it might be some other

  12. Lúthien Séregon

    Lúthien Séregon Registered User

    I just assumed the beards were dyed blue when I first read The Hobbit.
    There are a few inconsistencies between The Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings that bugged me for a little while after reading both books...just minor things really, such as the "talking purse" in The Hobbit.

    I couldn't imagine that sort of thing being in LotR, talking purses. :rolleyes:
  13. Theoden_king

    Theoden_king Man in the street

    The hobbit is really more of a childrens book whereas the lord of the rings is more complex. So silly things are more likely to be found in the hobbit, so it makes little children laugh
  14. Ithrynluin

    Ithrynluin seeker of solace Staff Member

    I checked, and they were actually NOT all of Durin's line.

    From Appendix A from the LOTR:

    So not all dwarves of Thorin's company were from the same "folk" so that might explain the different colour of beards and such.
    But Dwalin, of whom is said that he has a blue beard (In the Hobbit), is actually of Durin's line. Therefore, this still remains a ridlle of some sort.
  15. Tinuvien21

    Tinuvien21 Registered User

    Blue beard

    Actually I think when they say blue, it means gray. Y'know what I mean?
  16. Arda's Bane

    Arda's Bane Registered User

    I dont think that much though was put into the discriptions in the hobbit plus the fact that it was written for children.
    Im shure if Tolkien wrote this book after the sucess of the lord of the rings then their would be no mention of blue beards
  17. Maerbenn

    Maerbenn Registered User

    I may add here that one Fangluin Bluebeard is mentioned in 'The Nauglafring' in BoLT 2. :)
  18. jallan

    jallan Registered User

    There are also the folklore Bluebeards.

    Legends apply the name to Gilles de Rais (a 15th century marshal of France) or to Conmor the Accursed (a 6th century Breton chieftain), both infamous for their murders.

    Supposedly Gilles de Rais dyed his beard with so dark it seemed almost blue.

    In Charles Perrault’s fairy tale about the murderer Bluebeard, the beard color is freakish but natural.

    But none of this explain’s why Tolkien applied the color to the beards of his Dwarves on occasion.

    But this is perhaps no more unusual than naturally silver-haired elves.
  19. elf boy

    elf boy Registered User

    I'm thinking he means a blue tint... mostly grey but enough blue to confuse people ;)

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