Discussion in '"The Hobbit"' started by Maeglin, Oct 4, 2002.
Don't even worry about it. Poor Smeagol. He's used to being ignored. *sniff*
Oh, yeah. Boo Elrond!
And the entire way he treated the fellowship anyway!! Looking for help, they all come to Rivendell from distant lands, Boromir actually walks all the way there... "Nope. Sorry. Too dangerous. Can't help you. You'll just have to deal with this by yourself. You know what could actually solve your problem? Walk together through Wild Lands straight to Mordor!"
They should have named the first film "It's all Elrond's fault!"
And other elves in Elrond's house are really nasty, too! Think of Thorin and Co and their arrival to Rivendell - it's just SO funny to make fun of little old men with long beards!!
Considering the age of most Elves, I think they made yokes about children with beards.
And I think Balin knew all too well about the treasures of Moria, and needed no Elven lord to remind him of that.
Picking on children, that's even more evil!!! Elves are bullies as well!
Come now, everyone, let's not forget who Mr. Elrond was and that he was trying to be wise about the matter. It was not that he wanted the fellowship to have to walk to Mordor just for the fun of it. He knew that should the Ring stay in Rivendell, eventually Souron would destroy it and seize it, or he would be tempted to use it and we all know what would have happened if he had done that. I think he knew it too, and knew that the temptation was too great. That is what I think.
Theoden, have you read the first post of this thread? We were 'discussing' a remark by Elrond in the Hobbit, about Moria.
oh... sorry, my bad
thats quite alright and understandable, because someone mentioned something about the fellowship earlier, so no harm has been done.
Absolutely no harm done. I was just confused by the serious post about Elrond towards the Fellowship in this thread. I wondered if I missed something, but it wasn't there when I reviewed the thread. Mistakes happen, you just proved you're human.
Now that I know what this thread is about, I can post and not look like an idiot. (Wormtongue told me to do it)
Well, I would have to say that Elrond being who he is and knowing as much as he knows, that he knew about the Belrog or at least that there was something lurking in Moria that was from the days of Morgoth. But Balin was not a pupit, nor was he stupid, so it would only be fair to say that though Elrond may have placed the temptation in front of him, balin made a choice out of free will. And greed.
After the Battle of the Five Armies, we are told that the orcs and goblins were greatly diminished in the Misty Mountains. Doubtless, Balin (who might have been satisfied in the Lonely Mountain had Thorin survived) began to consider the possiblity of reinhabiting Moria. It was probably just a little crowded in TLM and the Iron Hills Kingdom was already "taken" as it were, so Moria seemed to be the best place to "set up on one's own".
Furthermore, it was doubtless a bitter blow to the dwarves to have been driven from their premier kingdom in Middle Earth and retaking it - now that the Necromancer (Sauron) had been "defeated" (yeah, sure!) and the orc numbers seriously reduced, appeared both reasonable and possible. But, as Gandalf noted, it was too soon....too soon.....
Continuing the Elrond Hate Train..'
Let's not forget Elrond could've very easily destroyed the One Ring when Isildur went AWOL.
So yeah, BOO Elrond.
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