Elves have them, Hobbits have them, even dwarves have them...

Discussion in 'Bag End' started by Sarah, Dec 12, 2003.

  1. Sarah

    Sarah Pervy Hobbit Fancier

    Yet men do not.

    Pointy ears. Why are men the only ones without them? It is not because they are mortal, because hobbits and dwarves have them. So... WHY?? Gah, it's been bothering me forever!!! Somebody help me!!!!

  2. celebdraug

    celebdraug Guest

    That is a really good question, and i'd like to know the answer to that too.
  3. Melko Belcha

    Melko Belcha Registered User

    Since when have Dwarves had pointed ears? I have studied the Dwarves more then anything else in Tolkien's work, and I have never heard anything about them having pointed ears. Please provide a quote written by Tolkien where he says that Dwarves ears are pointed.
  4. Inderjit S

    Inderjit S Bootylicious

    The only time that Elves have been described as having pointy ears is in the rather vague and ambiguous note in The Etymologies (HoME 5) and the validity of that note is questionable.

    Dwarves are never described as having pointy ears.
  5. Roilya

    Roilya Rùnya

    a dwarve with pointy ears would look pretty funny.
  6. Celebthôl

    Celebthôl Loremaster

    Where is a hobbit described as having pointy ears?
  7. Sarah

    Sarah Pervy Hobbit Fancier

    Grr. damn purists

    Granted these questions came to mind after repeatedly watching the movies over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and... well you get the idea. You only ever get to see Gimli's ears in once scene that was not in the theatrical version. And his ears were pointed. and all of the hobbits had pointy ears. Also, I've come to the conclusion (based only on the movies mind you as I know that I'm not right) that wizards have no ears. I mean can anyone see them???

    please note: that last comment was meant to be a joke, I know that wizards have ears. I don't need purists comeing and breaking my door down like wraiths to tell me I'm wrong. :rolleyes:
  8. Melko Belcha

    Melko Belcha Registered User

    Tolkien wrote a letter to an artist who had drawn a picture of Bilbo that Tolkien hated. In the letter Tolkien describes the Hobbits ears as being pointed and elvish.

    Some people claim that letter as proof that the Quendi have pointed ears, but at the time the letter was written the LotR had just began to be written and The Hobbit was still not part of The Silmarillion legend, so only the people close to Tolkien and had read his mythology would know anything about the Quendi. So in the description of hobbits ears that Tolkien wrote must be talking about elves from popular legend.

    The only reference to Quendi ears being pointed was mentioned above by Inderjit S.
  9. Eledhwen

    Eledhwen Cumbrian

    Why would Tolkien write 'pointed and elvish' without qualifying it further, if it only referred to elvishness outside his own stories?
  10. Gandalf The Grey

    Gandalf The Grey Visionary Spirit

    What? What's this? * Cups a hand over a flowing grey mass of hair beneath his hat. *

    I can't hear you, would you kindly speak up? And I entirely missed what you said at the end there, when your voice sank to a whisper. :p

    Oh, now I get it! You wonder why wizards are the only ones that have pointy hats? :D
  11. Confusticated

    Confusticated Registered User

    For what reason is it questionable?

    I do not find it vague, only brief.
  12. Celebthôl

    Celebthôl Loremaster

    So if Hobbits ears are pointed and Mens are not, does this mean that Hobbits are infact not an offshoot of Men?
  13. Confusticated

    Confusticated Registered User

    Well if being very short with furry feet did not disqualify them as an offshoot why should pointy ears? :D

    ... and was their thick soled feet a feature they each aquired in life because of going around without shoes, or is it natural. :p
  14. Arvedui

    Arvedui Stargazer

    Maybe I should re-launch my very special 'hobbit-theory', Nóm?
  15. Inderjit S

    Inderjit S Bootylicious

    We do not know whether or not is says human It claims the Quendian ears were pointy and leaf shaped-but to what extent?
  16. Maerbenn

    Maerbenn Registered User


    Inderjit S, the recently published Vinyar Tengwar 45 features the first part (of two) of a complete "Addenda and Corrigenda to the Etymologies" by Carl F. Hostetter and Patrick H. Wynne, detailing additions and corrections to the published work derived from an examination of the original manuscript and comparison with the published text.

    It includes this little tidbit:

    Thus the final sentence of that entry properly reads:

    "The Quendian ears were more pointed and leaf-shaped than Human."
  17. Sarah

    Sarah Pervy Hobbit Fancier

    I withdraw this comment as I have just seen the third movie. Wizards do have ears, and they are indeed round.
  18. Ice Man

    Ice Man Freezin'

    It's genetic, my son.
  19. Wolfshead

    Wolfshead Formerly CraigSmith

    The reason, it seems, for wizards wearing pointy hats, is this - due them actually having no ears, the hat acts as an antenna, picking up sound waves and transferring them to the brain. Simple, really ;)

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