Eowyn or Arwen?

Discussion in '"The Lord of the Rings"' started by pointy-eared, Feb 8, 2002.

  1. Kinofnerdanel

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    Must admit that I am but a fallible Secondborn :D

    For the same reasons I would choose Éowyn as my BFF, but were I a man, I don't think that I could (or would want) to resist the second most beautiful lady in all creation.
     
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    Give me an elf boy any day of the week <sigh>

    Just those ears and eyes...and the whole walking on snow stunt...carry me m'lord if you will...
     
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  3. Sir Eowyn

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    I've got it bad for Eowyn (obviously), but to have a wife that doesn't age...
     
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    This was a very interesting thread to read! Tolkien had said that one reason he didn't introduce more elements of "The Tale of Arwen and Aragorn" was because it would take away of the "hobbit-centric" aspect of the tale.

    If one reads the Appendix, there are many allusions to 'foresightedness'. Arathorn was much older than Gilraen, and her father was opposed to the marriage because Arathorn was so much older. But her mother said, ".....if these two are wed now, hope may be born for our people." When Aragorn and his mother went to live with Elrond, he was named Estel, which means "Hope".

    When Aragorn meets Arwen for the first time when he twenty and falls in love, Elrond does not tell him at that time that he would not let Arwen marry him unless he is the King of Gondor. Again in this discussion, "the foresight of his kindred came to him", telling Elrond that the choice of the half-elven would be coming soon and Elrond agrees. Furthermore, during this discussion, Elrond tells Aragorn, "You shall have neither wife, nor bind any woman to you in troth, until your time comes and you are found worthy of it." Elrond meant this for ANY wife.

    Elrond only said that he would not abide that Arwen would marry any man less than the king of Gondor, but this was after they had plighted their troth.

    I feel Aragorn would still try to for the kingdom of Gondor whether or not Isildur's bane was found. There is too much discussion of foresight, or a kind of prophecy that even Elrond, who was foresighted, could see.

    Aragorn and Arwen had a mature, deep love that had grown over many years. When Aragorn meets Eowyn, he is over 60 years older than she. He is older, wiser and has seen many things in his time. Not only had he experience, he also knew people. I feel he admired her spirit, her beauty, her loyalty to her people and family. As he got to know her, I feel he cared for her like he cared for so many other people, but also he probably did feel pity for her. He probably felt very badly when he saw how she felt about him. He had a mature love with Arwen and was faithful to her.

    Eowyn saw a heroic, strong, handsome, leader and fell in love. She did not have a mature love, because she really did not know HIM, but what he exuded. Were Eowyn's feelings strong? Of course they were!! As another poster said, I fell in love with Aragorn when I first read the books when I was a teen, and like a teen, fell for Faramir!!

    I don't believe that Eowyn went to war on a suicide mission. I feel she might have gone to war with Theoden whether or not she met Aragorn. She wanted freedom. She wanted to DO something. It was as Gandalf said that she had the spirit and courage as great as her brother's. She spent years waiting on her uncle feeling trapped in a cage. Feeling broken hearted probably made it easier to make the decision to go with the Rohirrim.

    After reading the whole book and the full transformation of Aragorn from the Ranger to King, it made more sense that he would be wed to Arwen than to Eowyn.

    Having said that, I love Eowyn. She is more relatable to the reader than the high born Arwen. She had spirit and courage and wanted to do something. For me one of the highlights of the books was Eowyn standing up to the Witch King of Angmar and slaying the beast and then with the help of Merry and his sword that was found in the barrow downs, work of Westernesse that broke the spell that knit his unseen sinews to the Black Rider's will, that she was able to slay the Leader of the Ringwraiths.

    Finally, Arwen was the best choice for Aragorn, but for me, I choose Eowyn as someone I look up to.
     

  5. Sir Eowyn

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    I hear you, Aramarien, but I think she did ride off seeking death, CONSCIOUSLY. Her inner spirit wanted something else, wished to blossom, but it seems from the text that all she was thinking when riding off was of glorious death in the Age's great battle. Rohan was doomed (as it seemed), and she was unloved, and to hell with it all, in that moment. But when it came down to it, she didn't truly wish to die. Her whole story's one of the loveliest things for me in Tolkien.

    But hey, everybody, don't forget...she's the wife of the Steward, quite near the King. Anything's still possible, with her and Mr Aragorn. I know, I know...people don't have sex in Middle-earth, especially the unlawful kind. But just sayin'.
     
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    Sir Eowyn, I agree that Eowyn didn't truly wish to die. I think riding off with the thoughts of a possible glorious death in battle, although it may be a suicide mission, is different than deciding to go to battle so she could die.
     
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    The line's a bit blurry, but yes.
     
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    Fascinating thread. As ever Tolkien's complex plot and character lines work. Both Eowyn/Faramir and Arwen/Aragorn fit the overall Middle Earth history as explained in this thread.

    But personally no contest it's Eowyn (Miranda Otto) for me though I wouldn't argue with her over who has the remote control.
     
  9. Sir Eowyn

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    Miranda Otto's a powerhouse actress, as well as a real beauty. In the films it's no contest, indeed.
     
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