Frodo's most annoying habit

Discussion in '"The Fellowship of the Ring"' started by Morgaphry, Oct 10, 2002.

  1. Morgaphry

    Morgaphry Sixth Istari of Melkor

    I believe that Frodo was the MOST annoying person in FotR and he had several annoying aspects.
    The most annoying, I think was the fact that he kept falling over.
    And hobbits are supposed to be nimble
    Anyone else have some annoyances?

  2. lilhobo

    lilhobo Retired

    falling over, winching, running away like a freakin coward
  3. joxy

    joxy Registered User

    winching, freakin, what language are those words in and what do they mean?!
    But yes, he IS pretty irritating a lot of the time!
  4. lilhobo

    lilhobo Retired

    tis the language of Netspeak, git wit it duh!
  5. joxy

    joxy Registered User

    winching = wingeing ?? freakin = f***ing ??
    duh! = Simpsons ??
    Netspeak seems to be even more irritating than poor Frodo's mannerisms!
  6. Mrs. Maggott

    Mrs. Maggott Home is where the cat is

    Perhaps a better question is "what does the director do with the character that makes him irritating?" Poor Frodo/Wood never seems to get to stand in one place and emote. He is always being rushed from point "A" to point "B" and back again. At least Bilbo was allowed to stand still or move at a sedate pace doing things that made sense (making tea, for instance).

    To me, it almost feels as if all of Jackson's patience was expended in the first part of the film (from the prologue to the party) and after that, the Director learned that his camera rental was running out so he had to rush everybody through the rest of the way. It reminded me of the knighting scene in The Court Jester (for those of you who have never seen the picture with Danny Kaye and Glynis Johns, rent it and you'll see what I mean!). Yea, verily, yea!

    I think a lot of Frodo's "mannerisms" were put in by the Director to give us the illusion that he was developing the character - instead of ACTUALLY developing the character, something that takes time. But "mannerisms" do NOT a character make and frankly, I would have wished that Frodo had at least a little time to become real to me. Maybe TTT will be different, but I don't know. :confused:
  7. Goldberry344

    Goldberry344 Im back

    *cries* he bites his nails
  8. Mindy_O_Lluin

    Mindy_O_Lluin GOO. . . foff

    Right! I bite mine too, but I can NEVER make them look THAT bad!
    I also hate when he rolls his eyes back when he's taken over by the ring's temptation -- and I wish he wouldn't cringe so much, because it makes the gap in his teeth stand out.

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  9. Talimon

    Talimon Registered User

    Frodo is highly uncredited, unfortunately. Elijaw Wood is exceptional with body-language. His money shot, when Aragorn calls him after they have just exited Moria, is masterful. His scene in the boat with Sam has ended up replacing Boromirs death as the climax of the movie for me. It's so powerful, the way PJ, Astin, and Wood put it together. The way Sam is willing to drown and die, rather then be separated from Frodo, is such an epic way to show thier relationship. And Woods look, when hearing Sam say, "I made a promise, Mr. Frodo. 'Don't you leave him, Samwise Gamgee', and I don't mean to, I don't mean to..." is extremely powerful as well.

    His interplay with McKellen in Moria also brought goosebumps down my back. He has a look of complete awe and wonder after hearing Gandalf talk about the greater world and fate/destiny. The more I watch the movie the more I love Woods acting. I am dying to watch the Extended Edition, just to see more of this movie. I have a feeling that I'll have no trouble watching all 9-10 hours of this world when all the DVD's are finally out. After 3 hours I am practically ready to start the movie over again.
  10. DGoeij

    DGoeij Pan Narran

    Now that answer really proved you are a friendly person.

    As far as I know, I think he/she tried to say wincing, as in jerkingly moving you facial muscles because of something unpleasent.

    And in explaining freakin, you are pretty close Joxy, as far as I can be sure.

    IMO, a lot of time in the movie, Frodo is more busy tripping over his own fee than doing anything substantial. I felt rather happy that he was pinned down by the Troll, even though I knew it wouldn't help much. All that just got in the way with the moments he did do some good and Frodo-like things. Like the talk to Gandalf in Moria.
  11. lilhobo

    lilhobo Retired

    fee= feces?? :D
  12. DGoeij

    DGoeij Pan Narran

    That would explain a lot, but sounds rather stupid. A sure-footed Hobbit with keen senses that keeps on stepping in his....
  13. joxy

    joxy Registered User

    I have to defend EW to some extent - it's not so much the way he acts as what he is made to act. The Ford and Balin's tomb scenes are not real Frodo, but he acts out the new version of Frodo pretty well. In the Gandalf Moria, the post-Moria scene, and especially the very end, he IS Frodo, and does them very well, movingly indeed, as you say, T. The mannerisms that have been mentioned ARE irritating but presumably not his fault.
    And that final scene allows me to say again that I think Sam's acting was the best of all throughout, small though his part has been so far. If he hadn't had to keep saying just "(Mr) Frodo!", he would have been perfect, and if Frodo had been allowed to be properly invisible in the boat at first the final scene WOULD have been a perfect climax.
  14. Talimon

    Talimon Registered User

    Well, I think it would have looked slightly corny for Frodo to be invisible. I'm not going against Tolkiens version, just saying it wouldn't fit with the tone of the film. In the book they talk on the shore, not in the boat. I felt having Frodo be there, see Sam, and tell him that he's going to Mordor alone, was much more powerful then just having the boat move invisibly.

    The "Mr. Frodo" bit wasn't that bad at all, considering that he actually says it a lot in the book (especially TTT and RotK). It shows his love for him, at least the tone of voice he uses.

    I'm not so sure about Frodo stumbling, I never really noticed that actually. What part are you talking about? Maybe I've just blanked out, but I can't think of a single scene where he stumbles (other then the scene where all 4 hobbits stumble down the hill-side). Oh yeah, one more, up on Whether-top. That's it. Didn't stick out for me, personally.
  15. lilhobo

    lilhobo Retired

    oh yeah, didnt stick out like a sore thumb. When all the other hobbits were trying to protect Frodo, what does Pj have him do???

    drops his blade and stumble like the wuz that he should NOT have been !
  16. Talimon

    Talimon Registered User

    To me the most interesting part of Frodo's charachter is when he gets weak and looses himself to the ring. Indeed, I never much cared for his "heroic" courage. The only point I really saw in him standing up to the riders was to draw a contrast as to how weak he eventually becomes. His courage wasn't the typical, which people seem to put so much weight on. His true achievement is his resistance to the rings evil, his struggle with it. The slight irony is that in the end he failed to resist it, and yet succeeded. Pity is ultimately what destroys the ring. For had Bilbo, Aragorn, Gandalf, the Wood Elves, the Elves in Lothlorien, Faramir, Frodo, and finally Sam not had pity on him and spared his life, the ring would never have been destroyed.
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2002
  17. Ariana Undomiel

    Ariana Undomiel Hrívëvendë

    I didn't find Frodo annoying at all. How odd that everyone else seems to find him so.

  18. Mrs. Maggott

    Mrs. Maggott Home is where the cat is

    I can understand Jackson's having Frodo slip and fall in the mountains. In the book, Tolkien is able to indicate Boromir's progressive seduction by the Ring, but the film does not have that ability. Frodo's "fall" and his loss of the Ring - which is then picked up by Boromir - gives us some insight into Boromir's state of mind. Remember, in the book, Frodo promised not to allow anyone even to TOUCH the Ring except members of the Fellowship and then ONLY IN GREAT NEED! Boromir's momentary possession of the Ring is such that Aragorn begins to draw his sword in anticipation that he will not willingly relinquish it.

    I think that Jackson had little choice but to use such visual means to illustrate things that the book was able to impart much more easily. :)
  19. joxy

    joxy Registered User

    Why corny and out of tone? He uses the ring in other places in the film.
    It needed only to be for a moment when Sam sees the boat, realises what is happening, and tries to reach it. It wouldn't have mattered where the dialogue took place.
    It's not that he says it, it's that sometimes it's the ONLY word he gets!
    Love doesn't come into it; loyalty and affection, quite different things.
    Who mentioned stumbling? There's the scene in the snow I suppose.
  20. Talimon

    Talimon Registered User

    Well, I'm just thinking about it in as it was in the movie, shot for shot, only with Frodo being invisible. It just wouldn't feel right. Besides, in the movie every second with the ring on seems like eternity. He couldn't have it on.

    I think it adds to the power of the words that it happens on a boat, in the middle of the great river. The tides of fate are moving... I don't know, felt right to me. It would be kind of weak to have them just standing there on the beach. The fact that they are on a boat, slightly out of control, adds to the urgency.

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