Game of Thrones, Modern Fantasy, and Writing

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  1. Firawyn

    Firawyn Verbatim et litteratim.

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    I keep hearing people talking about George RR Martin like he's the second coming of Tolkien. Now don't get me wrong, I enjoy Game of Thrones, but I kind of find it offensive - the comparison.

    Yes, there are many similarities between the two writers, but the fact of the matter is that every single thing that Martin did, Tolkien did first. Every mythology that Martin steeped into, Tolkien explored first.

    I guess the big question in my mind is that, because Tolkien explored SO much of the mythology, is there any way we can look at modern fantasy and not feel like it's a rip off of Tolkien?

    And how does a writer even begin to try and come up with an original concept that isn't so clearly "been there, done that" from Tolkien?


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  2. Miguel

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    If JRRT's and GRRM's works were two magazines, could we see it as "Cars, Guns and Sex" in the case of George's and John's "The Finest Cars"?.

    Tolkien did borrow inspiration from other things as well but his work compared to Martin's feels much more ancient. GOT is more mundane regardless of it's fantasy aspects, and that's because of the contrast between all the pretty stuff and sheer filth that goes on in it. GOT feels more real when we compare it to "this world" or "this reality" or whatever we may call it, everyone has their own personal perception of reality or idea of how things are or should be. We have to take into consideration that this are different times, George's books spawned a TV show 14 years after the 1st book was released and then he had to catch up with the show because they needed more stuff so that they could make more episodes/seasons. George got into the business, i personally wouldn't like being pressured to write more stuff because they have to make more money but he might like it or be fine with it IDK.

    GOT is a very enjoyable and entertaining show/books with lots of blood, double crossing and getting horny here and there but i think that the overall message it sends to viewers/readers is a negative one.

    Tolkien's work in the other hand is a very important message and has a certain finesse the former does not have. However, when it comes to portray it on the screen, i believe it needs to walk a little tiny bit more on the"filthy mundane" road to not end up being a cringe fest like the Hobbit movies where, LORT trilogy had it two but not as hard.

    One of the reasons i think a Quenta Silmarillion adaptation should be considered is that it carries a very important message all humanity should get to know. However, making that happen and having the result that it's needed would be a whole different story.
     
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  3. Squint-eyed Southerner

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    Personally, I am not a GOTs fan. I've watched a few times and maybe I couldn't get past the violence, blood and "horny" stuff Miguel mentions. Plus it's too depressing for me. It just didn't interest me.

    Firawyn asks the difference. For me it is as in literature. The Professor is high fantasy. His writings bring his readers full circle. We are immersed in the total experience of his world and the beings who inhabit it.

    Martin's is simple fantasy. I'm not saying he is not creative and imaginative. Only that it appeals to our baser instincts, sex, violence, murder, intrigue, sloth, etc. with a few bones thrown to us for a hook of humanity. It's easier to write to these low subjects.

    It is by far more difficult to elevate one's readers. Make us stretch our hearts and minds to finer things. Not that there isn't violence, murder and intrigue in JRRT's works but the difference is in the way he handles them. There is always hope in Tolkien's writings. The hope of mankind. Martin to me offers only more of the same. Perhaps I didn't watch enough GOT but what I did watch only made me cringe and despair.

    As far as imitation, all great artists borrow from one another. As was said, Tolkien borrowed from MacDonald and others. But Tolkien raised his works to such astronomical heights all fall short of him. All.
     

  5. CirdanLinweilin

    CirdanLinweilin The Wandering Wastrel

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