Grima's Tear

Discussion in '"The Two Towers"' started by 33Peregrin, Feb 22, 2003.

  1. LadyDernhelm

    LadyDernhelm Back from the Dead

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    I agree with LadyOfIthilien, it was Eowyn's hankie! Although he STOLE IT cause she would never GIVE it to him....yuck yuck yuck....
     
  2. 33Peregrin

    33Peregrin hmmm

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    So basically we have Grima either gloriously happy over Saruman's vast army, or over the destruction of men that were his kind. Even after all these posts, I'm still confused. I don't think Grima was weeping over the distruction of men. I think he was rather expecting something great from his new master. If Grima ever had doubts about destroying the world of men, I don't think that it would be at this point. Not right before he fully betray's his master, and is at the peak in sharing with his master's power. And something just doesn't let me go for it being a tear of happiness or awe. Grima just doesn't seem like the type to get emotional and start crying when he is pleased. Also, after all Eowyn does to reject him, I think he was feeling pretty good for, perhaps, "paying her back". Or something.... I'm still confused, and I guess I always will be in this point of the movies. Oh well.
     

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    Maybe he just slipped in a bad pair of contacts. ;-)
     
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    Heh Heh. yeah. When I watched it, I thought it was out of astonishment of the Uruk- hai army. I read some of this a while ago, and payed extra attention to that part next time I saw TTT. That's all I got from it.
     

  5. BlackCaptain

    BlackCaptain Vast Menace of Despair

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    Thats what I thought, though I didnt like it.
     
  6. Wulf of Dunland

    Wulf of Dunland Conqueror of Meduseld

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    This is a bit late reaction, but I just read this topic (and it's a good topic imo) for the first time.

    I think the tear is indeed because Gríma gets the point that Saruman will destroy Man. But then again, Gríma is evil so he wouldn't care about that...

    edit: I forgot to say that I was really touched by this scene...
     
  7. 33Peregrin

    33Peregrin hmmm

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    Now that the TTT DVD is out, has anyone officially decided what the tear might mean? I watched TTT last night, and this is what I think for myself about Grima's tear.

    I noticed that after Saruman told Grima about the new explosive powder that would breech the deeping all, Grima looked somewhat surprised. When he tells Saruman that they would still need a huge army, and Saruman shows him the 10,000 Uruk-hai army, Grima lets out his tear. I believe that Grima really was more of a Rohrrim man (even evil). He mostly believed like the rest of the Rohrrim that Helm's Deep could never fall, even though he did want it to. Seeing that it actually was to be done was too much of a shock for him.
     
  8. Gandalf White

    Gandalf White Gone Missing

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    However, this argument is directly countered by the fact that he himself told Saruman that Rohan was fleeing to Helm's Deep, specifically mentioning women and children. Because of him they were attacked on the road, while seemingly defenseless. He hated Rohan for casting him out, I don't think he would in anyway wish them safe.

    This leads me to believe that Grima's tear was one caused by a deep emotion of awe, and anticipation. After all, he was personal aid and chief follower of Saruman, surely something good would come of this.
     
  9. Narsil

    Narsil The Sword that was Broken

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    Yep..that was my feeling as well.

    Interesting that Grima also tells Saruman where the weak point of Helm's Deep is...I guess he's supposed to appear conflicted.
     
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    The answer is the same as ever: PJ has a fetish for tears, and, sooner or later, all his actors have to have one painted on for them - maybe "Lurtz" is an exception:)
     
  11. 33Peregrin

    33Peregrin hmmm

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    I was saying mostly that I know Grima wanted the people of Rohan destroyed, to have Eowyn, and to have a share of Saruman's power. I think he was just getting nervous because like the Rohirrim- he never believed that it could happen. Have any of you ever planned something, no matter what, that you believed would never happen, then one day you realize it will? That makes me nervous. That's what I believe Grima's tear was from watching The Two Towers in my own home.
     
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    First, I thought that he was so happy that his "dream" if you want to call it is coming true...his leader Saruman will really take over Rohan..
    But then I thought that he was crying becaus he was sad ....because he didn't know that it would go that far.

    I dunno...that's just my opinion..good or not.
     
  13. mirkwoodwarrior

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    I think that his tear was because destroying everyone of Rohan meant killing Eowyn. Or, like a few others were saying, he didn't think Saruman would go that far.
     
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    CirdanLinweilin The Wandering Wastrel

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    We all should remember that, in the book, Grima killed Lotho Sackeville-Baggins, and may have eaten him.

    That was no tear of guilt, nor remorse.

    CL
     
  15. Narya

    Narya ~He-he-he~

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    LOL!! I think this is the answer I would have given. I really think that this was a cinematic decision rather than character development - because this does not coincide with how Grima was depicted in the book. He's greedy and wicked - why would he shed a tear for a people he felt nothing for? His main goal was to be powerful enough to do what he wants - not really because he cares for the welfare of the people of Rohan, but because he was a greedy swine.

    This was a reaction from the actor, and PJ just decided to add it in. Looks good - yeah, let's use it.
     
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    Maybe just maybe he was having second thoughts about chillin' with an evil wizard IDK