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  1. Squint-eyed Southerner

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    I've been searching for this on and off since seeing a reference to it in The Annotated Hobbit:

    "A Medieval Proverb in The Lord of the Rings" by Jared Lobdell.

    It appeared in "American Notes and Queries Supplement II", 1978. I was hoping to find it online, but have had no luck; and there doesn't seem to be anything about it here in TTF either. Has anyone seen the text anywhere?
     
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    Hammer and Scull reference this note in their discussion of the conversation between Gollum and Frodo from The Two Towers in “The Black Gate Is Closed”,
    The reference is to the old medieval proverb still in use today, third time’s charm; alternately, third time pays all. This and similar phrases are used across northern Europe from England to Russia.

    The citation given by Hammer and Scull in Reader’s Companion is “A Medieval Proverb in the Lord of the Rings”, ANQ Supplement 1 (1978), and I can’t find it, either. Barliman’s list from worldcat.org is probably fairly comprehensive; if there is a university library near you, or a large city library, the citation may well be found there; however, even old high school libraries sometimes carried such books if one of the English teachers could talk the librarian into purchasing the book.

    One of the references I found this evening said the note was originally written and accepted in 1968, revised in 1972, but not published until 1978.

    Reader’s Companion says,
    By the way, Bilbo twice uses the phrase, “Third times pays all,” attributing it to his father Bungo Baggins, in The Hobbit. This was the usage I recalled, not Frodo’s in Lord of the Rings.
     
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    I missed the highlighted yesterday.
    According to this listing http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Jared_Lobdell it was supplement I.
    I did find a pdf of supplement II online, but it's a site where you have to register to read it and when you click to register it redirects you to another site that is very suspicious.
    I should be able to take a look at it tomorrow sometime.
     

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    Thanks. Yes, it appears I had the number wrong.
     

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