How Did Aragorn’s People Seal the Ringwraiths in Tombs?

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  1. Erestor Arcamen

    Erestor Arcamen Archivist Staff Member

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    Excellent article I found explaining this for those that aren't familiar with Tolkien's work. (please read before you go telling me that Aragorn's people didn't seal the Ringwraiths in tombs, I know they didn't lol...)

    I just figured this would be good for you to show to someone if they ask you this question. This site seems to have many excellent essays and articles on the subject of Middle Earth and the legendarium.

    Erestor's Disclaimer: this is not my work, just posting it here as content that is relevant to this forum. Credit for above answer other enriching essays/articles on the above site go to Michael Martinez
     
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    Aw, I had hoped that there was an explanation in evidence for how the Witch-King was allegedly "imprisoned..." Ah well, here's to hoping it will be revealed in the next two films.

    It could be a decently satisfying twist if the (film) White Council only believed the Nazgul to have been imprisoned in any meaningful way and their feigned inertia was just part of the plan.
     

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    I remember thinking "Uhhh. . .is that based on the books in any way and I'm just missing it or did they totally pull that 'explanation' out of thin air?" when that line came up. Because I have not read every inch of the HoMe like some of our fans (most libraries don't have them and I'm sorry, I'm just cheap.) I was hoping someone would debunk it for me because it smelled like made up nonsense.

    I kind of understand, from a film makers point of view, the desire to "condense" the history of the Necromancer a bit, but I do think the whole "sealed in a tomb" thing was unnecessary exposition. There really wasn't a stated question as to the Witch King's location that needed an "easy" answer. (I'm in a "" sort of mood tonight. Too much sugar.) It could've just been glossed over. True fans could find the answer to where he was hanging out in the books and casual movie goers probably wouldn't care.
     
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    This was just some 'movie-reality' as opposed to 'book-reality'. There's nothing in the books to substantiate it.

    I just like to think - maybe in the 'movie-reality', the Witch-King faked his own funeral, to throw everyone off. I'm not sure at what point everyone started to figure out that the King of Angmar was indeed the Witch-King. I often tend to think that it was after Angmar's fall (in 1975).

    I was glad to at least have a mention of Angmar, and acknowledgement of a deeper, richer past. Even if somewhat distorted by the script. That itself almost implies the existence of an Arnor - which was totally absent from the movie background painted in Lord of the Rings (and notably - not very present in the book itself, other than some hints - until you reach the appendices).
     

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    Bearing in mind that I've only seen the movie once, so I may be missing something important, here are my thoughts on the matter:

    1) Was it specifically mentioned that it was the Dunedain who placed the spells over the Wringwraiths' tombs? I got the impression (and correct me if I'm wrong) that it was the work of Elrond or Galadriel, which was why they were so surprised to hear of the "break-in."

    2) Perhaps PJ saw this as the easiest way to establish the returning Sauron as (a) powerful, due to his ability to break through the spells and (b) the Necromancer, able to bring his most powerful servant(s) back from the dead.

    Those were my initial takes at least..
     
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    From what I remember it says the northmen/people of the north sealed the tombs, so that's where someone must have gotten Dunedain.
     
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    Like the rest of you - I only saw it once, and I had a different impression. I got the impression that it was the King of Angmar's men who buried him. I didn't recall them saying 'imprisoned'. But I could well have missed it. I intend to see at least once more, so I'll try to listen more carefully the next time. ;)
     
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    I think the term they used was sealed. Like they sealed the witch king in his tomb in a place so dark it could never see the light of day
     
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    One thing I kind of wondered about was that this little innocuous looking blade was somehow immediately identified with the Witch King. I can understand it being obviously a Morgul blade, but aren't there more than a few of those? Seeing as that they tend to melt on impact, you'd assume the Nine would need access to replacements. Which seemed to be Saruman's point, of course. Still, Elrond and Galadriel immediately leap to the conclusion that this is from Angmar and could've come from no place but a sealed tomb. Just lazy writing or is there some reasoning behind this that I'm missing?

    That said I have always been a little curious about the melting away aspect of Morgul blades. Is is to stop them from falling into enemy hands? Is it to make them deadlier because they become shrapnel in the victim's body? Does stabbing someone activate the self destruct or does being separated from the Nine do it? When I read the book I had some sort of impression that Aragorn was so good that his touch destroyed the blade, but looking back I think that is unlikely. Aragorn's touch melts hearts, not blades. All this is more of a discussion for book than movie forums, however.
     
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    The Wizard of Oz gets exposed and says: "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."

    PJ's moronic plot twists get exposed & we just have to say: "Pay no attention to the book behind the movies." :*confused:
     
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    I know this is a bit of a necro' post but in the movies I was wondering why they just didn't cremate the bodies instead of entombing them further to that would that have affected the resurrection of the wraiths (in the movies) as we all know in the books they (their spirits) were enslaved by the One Ring.
     
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    I found a video recently on Youtube which is a scene of the Dunedain sealing the Witch-King.

    You might look that up.

    CL
     

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