Lord of the Rings vs. Harry Potter (merged multiple times)hlg

Discussion in 'J. K. Rowling' started by Beorn, Nov 9, 2001.

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Which do you like best, "Lord of the Rings" or "Harry Potter"

  1. "Lord of the Rings," obviously, for that's what this website is about (duh!)

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  2. "Harry Potter" (I wandered into this website by mistake)

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  3. Both--they're both fantasy, after all

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  1. Barliman Butterbur

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    I haven't read it! How does this help in terms of dealing with the statement: "'Anything's possible' includes the possibility that not anything's possible."?

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    I have read it and it makes no sense to me in answering the statement.

    Tolkien has inspired lots of people to become writers, his writing timeless whereas Harry Potter will date very quickly and I don't believe Rowling has made such an impression upon the people as Tolkien has. People don't rip off Rowling because there isn't anything you can do with it though. Where as Tolkien...just look at Paolini's poor excuse for a book.
     

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    Right...maybe it was in one of the other books...anyway, "the possibility that not anything is a possibility... " can be caluclated with Improbability Factors. All events have a probability of occurring, and they therefore have an improbability of occurring. The Probability that not anything is possible is extremely low. So therefore there is a really high Improbability Factor. If you want to learn more read the Hitchhiker's series.
     
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    I remember. Improbability is really Probability because if you don't know then you can't do.
     

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    Kinda sorta. I don't really remember how it works specifically, but it's something like that. There's whole chapters on the stuff.
     
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    You two are makin; me right proud! **thumbs behind braces, chest swells**:D

    I'd recommend caution about the Improbability Factor however: take a look around at the things that don't change. The improbability that they will change is extremely high... ;)

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    Indeed, and need I say this may be the most confusing branch of science ever encountered?

    And you are quite right. For instance, the background colour to TTF doesn't change (unless you go into the RPG section), and there is a high Improbability Factor of it not changing.
     
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    I was thinking of such things as water ever being not wet; the shape of planets becoming cubical; paper melting, etc. One of the things about this universe is that some things are more stable/unstable than others. And the things that have a high incidence of stability are extremely unlikely to become unstable. And there's where you plug in the part about the possiblity of anything being possible includes the possibility that not anything is possible. And all you need is one constant case — time going backward, for instance.

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    My head hurts!!!

    And given the interconnectedness of all things, I shall now sit and muse on the calamitous effects of this 'horse shoe nail' headache event on the world's weather patterns and the mysterious melting of three bound copies of Hansard.:p

    Now, how do I tie this up with the thread subject? Ah! I know!! My favourite Douglas Adams book is the non-fiction "Last Chance To See" which was published as paperback by Ballantine - same as LotR! Spooky or what? (OK, I admit not much improbability there!). The Harry Potter connection has to come from the link providing advice about snakes, which Harry would... er, ... obviously find useful.
     
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    Hahahahaha!!!!!!! That's a great link Barley. :D:D:D
     
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    "Giants are aggressive, er, sexually."

    Well that's good to know! :D

    A great link indeed.
     
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    Well I am waiting for the thing to load. It is taking ages for some reason, it shouldn't take this long. *about five minutes later* It is still loading, I'm gonna check how much of my bandwidth I have used up once I am done here. Still not loaded. I'm gonna give it a miss. Maybe look it up on Youtube.
     
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    I've never heard of Onion News Network; I expect it's where 'Men in Black' monitor the news from. I'm going to JKR's official website; I'm fascinated to know whether she's heard of this spoof and what she's got to say about it.
     
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    I hear she wasn't too thrilled about Harry Potter and the Secret Chamberpot of Azerbaijan;

    You're a woman, Harry! :p
     
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    Where'd you see THAT?

    Barley
     
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    Barley, you blasphemer, you haven't heard of French & Saunders, only the best comic duo this side of the pond? Well, if you ask me, at least.

    Part 1
    Part 2
    Part 3
    Part 4

    And on a related note, here's their FOTR spoof
     
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    I guess I'm just an F&S virgin...

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    Also, Dawn French played The Fat Lady in the later Harry Potters (Eledhwen cleverly keeps to the thread subject yet again!) and Jennifer Saunders was The Fairy Queen in Shrek 2 (though a bit difficult to recognise, I admit).
     
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    *BOOK 7 SPOILER* Re: Lord of the Rings vs. Harry Potter

    !*! BOOK 7 SPOILER !*! DEATHLY HALLOWS SPOILER !*! BOOK 7 SPOILER !*!

    I was stunned by the parallels between Tolkien and Lewis in this last book. Gandalf-Dumbledore - both realising that if they took power (G with the Ring, D with the Ministry) it would go to their heads. Dumbledore proved to be much more 'right' than the books led us to believe, and also much more flawed. This was superb writing; it fixed him as a mortal with baggage, but great nonetheless. The underlying message of all three series: the Power of Sacrificial Love, and the blindness of the antagonist to that power, which ultimately leads to their downfall. In Tolkien, it's the little people - the overlooked - who save the day. In Lewis and Rowling, it's the children growing into their valour. Draco Malfoy is a Eustace character, but much more protracted. Snape seems to be a Grima Wormtongue; but unlike Grima is restored and his 'double agency' is reversed.

    Gandalf, Aslan and Dumbledore all sacrifice themselves for the Little Ones. Dumbledore, being the only mortal amongst them, stays dead. But where LoTR and HP differ from Narnia, is in the self-sacrifice of the 'hero'. Frodo and Harry both pay the ultimate price for their quest. Frodo, sure of death, but rescued by the Eagles, and only ultimately finding peace via the Grey Havens; Harry, sure of death, but rescued because, apparently, a killing curse only does away with one soul - the weakest - in the victim's body (a pretty unusual state of affairs, so untested - like Aslan's deeper magic), leaving the second soul with a choice! Frodo, his work done, took the boat. Harry still had work to do, so eschewed the train from the heavenly Kings Cross and returned to face his adversary. And he had a 'Sam' too, in the form of Neville Longbottom. Neville, who could have been Harry if the prophecy had been interpreted differently, proved he was made of the same stuff when he did away with Nagini (presumably Gringott's vaults are no match for a sorting hat) - clearing the way for Harry to tell Voldemort what Sauron realised for himself when Frodo put on the ring - that his greatest folly was laid bare. And whereas Frodo's life was saved and Sauron's lost by Gollum's addiction to Sauron's Ring (an evil combination) which he fought off; Harry's life was saved by a direct attempt by Voldemore to kill him, which he likewise fought off. The attempt to kill destroyed the assailant in both cases, and brought about the downfall of the Dark Lord.

    I could read this stuff 'til the cows come home (and I don't have any cows).