Morgoth's Power VS. Sauron's

Discussion in '"Morgoth's Ring"' started by Bucky, Feb 29, 2008.

  1. YayGollum

    YayGollum Conscience of TTF

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    Since when? He was Mel, then Feanor got mad and came up with an insulting name for him. He was still Mel. I am wondering at what point Mel decided to go with it. "Random scout, what's with all of these pathetic elves mad at some guy named Morgoth? Argh! Haven't I given them enough to whine about? Who's trying to upstage me?"

    After cringing ---> "Ah, Your Awesomeness, I think they've given you a nickname."

    After musing ---> "Hmmm...Melkor...Morgoth...Hm! Yes, Morgoth does sound scarier! I'll need new business cards!"
     
  2. Illuin

    Illuin Fire On The Mountain

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    [​IMG] That’s pretty funny (reminds me, need some new business cards myself).

    Just imagining something here: if Sauron was at the peak of his power at the end of the Second Age (technically he was at his peak before the fall of Númenor); but let’s just use the time of the War of The Last Alliance for simplicity. Melkor was supposedly at his weakest at the time of the War of Wrath. Hypothetically; if the army of The Last Alliance were to battle Melkor at the time of the War of Wrath (Ancalagon and other winged dragons, several Balrogs, an innumerable number of Orcs and Men, etc.); do you honestly think the Last Alliance army would have been victorious; as they were against Sauron at the end of the Second Age? I seriously doubt it. I don’t recall Sauron able to form and breed great winged dragons; as Melkor (at his weakest) managed to do. Tolkien used the word “greater” as it related to cleverness and wisdom. Sauron was able to make a little go a long way; relatively speaking; and Mel did not (again, relatively speaking). But on the whole, who would you rather battle if you were Elendil and Gil-galad heading the Last Alliance? Mel during the War of Wrath certainly wouldn't be my choice.
     
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    Úlairi Crying in the Wilderness

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    Interesting thread. Sauron was far more conservative in the expenditure of his power than Morgoth, who was like a thirteen year old girl on a shopping spree with Daddy's (Eru's) Mastercard. Sauron was the employee who chose to invest - but thankfully not on today's stockmarkets. Corrupting angelic beings to domination by your will - $50; Destroying the earth's only light source - $100; finding out you got screwed by one of your employees after being indicted by the Valar for fraud and disorderly conduct - priceless. Some things money just can't buy; for everything else - there's Mastercard.

    A point that I wish to add is that Sauron in my opinion was incredibly intelligent, perhaps even moreso than his nihilistic master as despite the great power he 'delegated' from himself into the Ring to the point that if it were destroyed then so would he in turn, the One Ring actually empowered Sauron.

    So Sauron not only ensured that his investments would remain but he got a return on them; which is unheard of! (Sorry, I'm a little frustrated with my superannuation). :mad:

    The concept of Morgoth's Ring is mindblowing; and it explains why Ungoliant was able to overcome him. Sauron on the other hand inherited Arda; and had only Morgoth to thank. Sauron was the blood-sucking partner who walked away with Morgoth's assets.

    What do you believe the outcome of a contest with the Valar may have been if Morgoth had not been so obsessed with the erma of Arda and wastefully dissipate his being into it? He may have been far more successful if he hadn't squandered himself in arbitrary nihilism...

    Cheers,

    Úlairi.
     
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  4. Prince of Cats

    Prince of Cats Among the Trees

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    Well ...

    What powers Did Morgoth have before and did not have later? There is the obvious issue of his physical body, but what else?
     

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    You know what's funny. Sauron is actualy much more like how I envision Satan when reading The Bible. Atleast that's the impreison your post gives.
     
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    You forget that Morgoth had a Balrog, unless I am very much mistaken. The Balrog could easily defeat Sauron.
     
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    well morgoth did have a small army of balrogs willing to follow him, yes.
    but the balrogs usually weren't of such a high order as sauron was.
    sauron was higher in rank maia wise and ranking in morgoths army wise.
    sauron was melkors lieutenant of angband.
    so i guess sauron could defeat that balrog, but against a whole army, he would probably lose.
     
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    Jordan Thomas Melkor’s Welsh Maiar

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    In the beginning Melkor was the most powerful being, but eventually he lost most of his great power
     
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    I had no idea about this, that's a lovely quote: