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Discussion in '"The Children of Húrin"' started by Ithilan, Jan 9, 2011.

  1. Ithilan

    Ithilan Registered User

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    So, I think they should make a Children of Hurin movie. It'd be so awesome.
    I made a small list of Actors/Actresses, and the director of course should be Peter Jackson. Feel free to add people to the list, I only did a few random/main characters.
    If you don't know an actor, google him/her. :p


    Characters
    (notes in parentheses)

    Human
    Morwen……………….….……………………………………………..………..…..Mila Jovovich(dark hair)
    Hurin………………….……………….………………….………………..Pierce Brosen(with blonde hair)
    Turin………………….……………………………………….………………………………….…..….Ben Barnes
    Urwen (Lalaith)…………………….………………………………………….………….Alyssa de Boisblanc
    Sador/Labadal………………………………………………………………………..….Christopher Walken
    Nienor(child)/(Adult)………………………………….….Elle Fanning(child)/Kira Knightly(Adult)
    Beren………………………………………………………………………………………………….Sharlto Copley
    Elves
    King Thingol…..........................................................................Johnny Depp(silver hair)
    Melian…………………………………..……………..……….……………………Angelina Joile(dark hair)
    Beleg Cuthalion(Strongbow)……………….….…….………….Alex Pettyfer(light blonde hair)
    Saeros…………………………………………….…….……….……Robert Pattinson(light brown hair)
    Mablung……………….……….…………………………………….………..Bret McKenzie(blonde hair)
    Nellas……………..…….……..……………………………………….……………………….Elisabeth Harnois
    Luthien……………………………….……………………………………………….…………..Monica Bellucci
    (random Eldar)……………..………………………………………………….Joseph Gordon-Levvit
    Finrod…………………………………..……………………..……………..……Ethan Hawke(blonde hair)
    Evil
    Morgoth…………………….……………….……………….…………………………….……………Liam Neeson



    So, yeah..that's all I have so far. Please add more. This is just a rough draft, so to speak.
    EDIT: For some reason there are some spaces inbetween a couple names..that I can't fix. They should say: Ben Barnes, Liam Neeson, Elisabeth Harnois, Monica Bellucci. x.x Dunno why it did that.
     
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    Ben Barnes is not Túrin..he's Tuor :*D

    And Johnny Depp as Thingol?? Don't get me wrong, he's one of my favorite actors of all time but...he's no Thingol. And neither is Angelina Jolie Melian...I'd have to go with either Mark Strong or Colm Feore as Thingol and probably Kate Winslet as Melian
     

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    Ithilan Registered User

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    Haha, yeah. I just threw those names in there. I thought they make a good couple..so. :p
    There's a lot better choices of actors for those characters out there, I only put the ones I could think of right away lol.
     
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    I never heard of 3/4 of those actors, lol////

    And the mess PJ would make of this book can only be dreamed of in nightmares.
     

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    I'm with Bucky on this one. I think a much better director would be Guillermo del Toro who directed Pan's Labyrinth, and was supposed to direct the Hobbit. The only casting choices I liked were Christopher Walken as Labadal and I think I could dig Liam Neeson actually as Thingol. ohhh and Tim Curry in his outfit from Legend could be Morgoth (just kidding). Willem Dafoe and Ron Pearlman needs to be in there somewhere as well.
     
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    Okay well to reply to the original post, I really think your character list is too long. I mean, you also want to incorporate Beren and Luthien? I understand you need a little background, but you don't need any visualization of them. You could just have Melian and Thingol talk about it. Also, the Children of Hurin would have to be at least two movies.....at least. You would definitely need to have the Nirnaeoth Arnoediad in it, and Hurin's capture and torment. There should also be a narrated prologue, briefly explaining the War of the Jewels. You wouldn't need Finrod, since he's already dead. Here is a list of the main characters you would need.

    1st movie:

    Turin (obviously)
    Hurin
    Huor
    Fingon
    Turgon
    Morwen
    Beleg
    Thingol
    Melian
    Morgoth

    There are others, like Sador and Mablung but I'm not quite sure if they are necessary or that main.

    2nd movie

    Turin
    Hurin
    Morgoth
    Glaurun
    Gwindor
    Beleg
    Androg
    Mim
    Nienor
    Dorlas
    Brandir

    However in my opinion if a movie is ever made it will be loosely based on the book, probably will even cut out Turin's life with the outlaws. As a purist, I would love to see a series of movies that cover this epic tale, but I know that won't happen because the market is too small for people like me. I would even love to see a series of say 20 movies. That won't happen unless Bill Gates feels the same way and wants to do it for fun.
     
  7. Bard the Bowman

    Bard the Bowman Archer of Dale

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    Christian Bale or Keanu Reeves as Turin. Keanu Reeves gives that perfect solemn and dark demeanor, but Christian Bale has that rage that is also characteristic of Turin.
    Liam Neeson as Thingol (it's so easy for me to pick Batman actors). Do I even need to justify this?
    Kevin Durand as Beleg (you could make him look like an elf). He's big, powerful. Just what a great warrior should be like
    Anthony Hopkins as Hurin. Old, grizzled, but he could still look hale, as long as they make the movie in 2 or 3 years so he doesn't die. Anthony Hopkins is the go-to patriarch for movies, just look at the Wolfman and Thor.

    Okay wow I had just posted this when I saw your comment Sulimo. Liam Neeson as Thingol too? Not a coincidence eh? Anyway, I was also thinking about the voice of Glaurung, and I think Laurence Fishburne would be perfect doing his Matrix voice.

    Ethan Hawke should play an elf. I think he would be good as Gwindor, or Orodreth.
     
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    Yeah that's pretty crazy that we both separately came up with Liam Neeson as Thingol. I also think that Gerard Butler would be a decent Turin, but who knows.
     
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    I think we need to be looking at younger actors to play Turin, since he would have to look around age 20. So since a Children of Hurin movie won't be made until at least 2020, if ever, we need to look at actors who are between 20 and 25, not actors who would make a good Turin at the moment.
     
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    I think Johnny Depp is too short for Thingol.
     
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    For the Elven characters, we need to choose from those who are in their late teens or early 20s now, not older actors. Elves are supposed to be immortal - which means they don't age. Johnny Depp is already in his 50s, and because of his lifestyle, he looks older. I don't think he will fit the role of an elf.

    When they chose Lee Pace for Thranduil, my standard for elven actors changed. He was perfectly cast! That's how an elven lord should look! Tall (at least 6'4"), handsome (a bit effeminate), and refined. All the other actors who played elven characters in LOTR (yes, even Legolas and Haldir - who were my definition of elves before) pale in comparison to Lee Pace's Thranduil.

    So, for me, that's the standard they should choose for all the elves.
     
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    Just don't let Peter Jackson anywhere near it please :confused:
     
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    LOL!!! Though, it would be pretty weird to see a Middle Earth film not made by the man, I do think - judging by how he botched the story for the Hobbit - he should hire a Tolkienite to help him a bit the next time he does it. I really don't think anyone would dare take the helm after him. The stories of Tolkien are too attached to his name by now.
     
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    Fortunately the Tolkien Estate has forbade Peter Jackson to ever get near another of Tolkien's works again, at any cost.

    And I know a great many people who yearn to bury forever the depictions of Tolkien's works that Jackson spewed across the cinema, replacing them with works that page homage to the actual works of Tolkien, and not some Hollywoodized confabulation.

    Tolkien's works contain ample amounts of everything needed in a Hollywood movie without breaking Canon.

    And at this point the Tolkien Estate might well be able to do an end-run around Saul Zaentz, New Line Cinema, and the other Rights Holders of the Film Production of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings in order to see a new Production created. The way they do that is pretty sneaky, but is completely doable.

    I know that the Estate really would love to see a FAITHFUL depiction of Tolkien's work done in film. But they now require veto rights for anything to be produced in the future, and that NOTHING may break Canon (that means additions can be included in films as long as the written word is not violated, and the "spirit" of the works and world remains intact).

    And that Christopher and his son have been working to complete the stand-Alone Epics of The Silmarillion (meaning that hopefully we will see a full rendition of the rise-and-fall of Gondolin, with Huor and Tuor's sagas completed/included, in the coming decade, just as one of the other works that the Estate has planned), we may yet begin to see a properly ordered film productions of those, leading to an eventual re-shooting of The Hobbit, and The Lord of the Rings (including the Interstitial narrative).

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    And Johnny Depp is WAY too short to play Thingol, the tallest of the Children of Ilúvatar to have ever walked Middle-earth.

    Thingol Singollo was 7'8" tall. Given the stature of the Elves of the First Age being so much greater than in later days (even Elrond was depicted as about a foot too short in the movies, as he should have been close to 7' himself), we would find it difficult to cast actors who would stand a full head among the "Men" of the First Age, who tended to top out at around 6'8" (I cannot recall if it is Beren or Turin who was the 6'8", but they were accorded the tallest of Men until Elros Tar-Minyatur, who took after his Great-great-grandfather, Thingol, as the Peredhel were themselves around 7' tall).

    Given the current capabilities of CGI, we need to chuck out using "actors" in the roles, and create characters from the ground up, as Character Artists for Video games do, only for full-feature Productions, which allows enough texture for the figures to be indistinguishable from real-life.

    Maybe Johnny Depp could be the facial model for a character, but I see him more as Tuor, or Beren than Thingol. And he would still need to be "grown" about a foot.

    Joseph Gatt seems to be a better model for Thingol, and he is approaching tall enough for it (6'+).

    MB
     
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    I agree, lol. But on the other hand, he's the only one who got the most experiences in anything related to Tolkien. When you talked about Tolkien Universe's Movies, there'll always be PJ name in it. But he'll already be dead when the time comes (the copyright expired). And, it probably took somewhere around 50-70 years after 2020 (assuming the period after Chris Tolkien's dead).
     
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    Talk about a contingency.:rolleyes:
    1. Make three successful films off TLOTR
    2. Repeat with The Hobbit
    3. Get so attached to the name of Tolkien, that any other director receives virtually no chance to do a Tolkien film. He's the only one who can direct them.

    He totally planned it this way. :mad::mad::mad:

    But seriously, conspiracy theories aside, I feel bad for CT and The Tolkien Estate. PJ is like a parasite they just can't seem to shake off...:(:(:(

    CL
     
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    EcthelionL Away with the Eldar...

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    I won't be watching it if they do - The Lord of the Rings films were ok as they didn't change too much. The Hobbit films were dreadful! I just hope that the Silmarillion and the rest of Tolkien's work isn't sullied by film makers.
     
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    Let's be perfectly clear here. Lord of the Rings & Middle Earth does not = Peter Jackson, and vice versa. A statement like yours really says a lot about how much PJ Boyens & Co have usurped the Legacy that is J.R.R. Tolkien's. Licensing aside, Others could make Middle Earth movies, and likely do much better than the mob that thought they were making Lord of the Rings "better", and then totally desecrated The Hobbit.
     
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    I look forward to hopefully seeing a new adaption of the Hobbit in my lifetime that will be a dramatic improvement on the PJ Hobbit. I predict that the Hobbit will be adapted again before the LOTR is, because of the size of the task and perhaps because of the comparative completeness of the PJ LOTR compared to the PJ Hobbit. Then again, I will only ever watch the extended LOTR, which I think improve all-around on the theatrical version.

    The major factor in my opinion is that The Hobbit lends itself to a lightness and variability of interpretation more than the LOTR; not better or worse, just different. The LOTR is a monolithic epic, whereas The Hobbit is more like a fireside tale, to be told and re-told and engaged with by listeners.
     
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