On genealogy and hobbits

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  1. Anáwiel

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    The long and complex branches of the genealogy of families like Tooks and Brandybucks is mentioned everywhere, but all the big families belong to the Fallohides. Are there famous examples of the Stoors and Harfoots and what distinguishes them?
    The Stoors are more sturdy and were the last to come to the Shire, and the Harfoots are of darker skin, but that's about everything I remember right now.

    P.S. My apologies if I picked the wrong board. Didn't know where exactly this belongs.
     
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    Barliman Butterbur Worthy Keeper/Bree Roué

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    Ah my friend, you have the makings of a true Tolkien Scholar! I predict much of your joy is going to come from digging "behind the scenes" as it were, in the endless footnotes and 3rd-party books about Middle-earth. Unfortunately I have gotten too old and mentally wobbly to do much more now than to read the stories for their entertainment value, and enjoy the fruits of the labors of other Tolkien academicians, of which I say again, I predict you becoming! :)

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    IIRC, the Stoors were more comfortable around water and I figured that they probably settled along the Brandywine. Could Farmer Maggot have been a Stoor?
     
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    Barliman Butterbur Worthy Keeper/Bree Roué

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    Here's something to get you started in your research:

    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=stoors harfoots fallohides&btnG=Google Search

    By the way, one of the sources is that venerable website, The Encyclopedia of Arda (the first site listed), which has been entirely updated and redesigned, and which you will find both fun and valuable. And, if you are unfortunate enough to own one of those computers that operates on Windoze :eek: , you'll be able to buy their interactive encyclopedia on DVD and use it at home! :D :p

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  5. Firawyn

    Firawyn Verbatim et litteratim.

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    Add to that question: Could Smeagol have been a Stoor?

    Do we ever really nail down what he is? Aside from him being dubbed "one of the Riverfolk"?
     
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    Barliman Butterbur Worthy Keeper/Bree Roué

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    To Fir: Your CSL quote about pain reminds me of this samurai saying: "When you awake each morning, refresh your mind with the thought of death." And another one (not sure of the source): "There's nothing that so clears the mind as the prospect of the gallows." Evidently the approaching end of one's life brings profound mental clarity...:eek:

    We lost a very close good friend to cancer a couple of weeks ago. We happened to visit her in the hospital on what proved to be the last day of her life, and I have never seen or experienced anyone so serene or clear-minded and fearless of what was to come. Her absolute faith in the teachings of her spiritual path (its objective truth or non-truth irrelevant) had prepared her for her journey beyond this life. I envy anyone with that sort of faith! (Read the last three lines of my signature...)

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    I think Maggot may well have been of Stoor origins, and Smeagol too. My books are downstairs, though, so I'm not in a position to check at the minute. Some little bell is going off in my head and it's getting me thinking that the Marish had a few hobbits of Stoor stock too. Of course it could be the tea bell, or maybe the sharp blow I took to the head earlier.
     
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    Firawyn Verbatim et litteratim.

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    :eek: Turgon, what happened?!

    Barley, great quotes, thanks, they have been added to my quote collection. (I'm serious! I have a file on my computer that is all the quotes I've collected over the last four years or so!) :D

    Back to Turgon - do let us know what your books can tell us when you are able.
     
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    Well a quick look reveals that the hobbits of the Marish and indeed the Eastfarthing in general were 'well known to be stoors in a large part of their blood'. So we're are a little bit wiser now...:)

    And yay Firawen! 1000+ posts!

    *waves a flag*

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    You know for some odd reason, this event is very momentous for me. I doing my best not to cry. :eek: Thank you. :D
     
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    There are no family trees for all these mentioned races of Hobbits. By the way, hobbit lore is an obscure branch of knowledge even for the greatest loremasters. Still I will give you all the information that I have with me.
    Fallohides
    The Fallohides were fair of skin and hair, and none of them ever grew a beard. They were great lovers of the trees and forests, and skilled hunters. Many of them were friends with the Elves, and because of this they were more learned than the other Hobbits. They were the first to later learn Westron, and the only ones to preserve some of their old history. They learned Westron from the Men of Arnor, and it was they who first learned writing.
    After the Harfoots had migrated westward in the years following 1050 of the Third Age, the Fallohides followed them around TA 1150. Unlike the Harfoots they crossed far north of Rivendell, and from there later met up with the Harfoots.
    The Fallohides were more bold and adventurous than the Harfoots, and many of them became leaders of the Harfoot villages. It was probably under Fallohide rule that the Harfoots migrated westward beyond Weathertop and reached Bree.
    In TA 1601 two Fallohide brothers, Marcho and Blanco, by permission of the King in Fornost (Argeleb II) crossed the river Baranduin (Brandywine) and colonized the Shire.
    After this, the Fallohides mixed more and more with the Harfoots and later the Stoors, until the three Hobbit races became one.
    The influential Took clan had distinct Fallohide traces both in appearance and character, as did the Oldbuck and later Brandybuck clan. Both Bilbo Baggins and Frodo Baggins were part Fallohide, due to their Took mothers.
    Other famous Fallohides included Bandobras Bullroarer Took, who slew an Orc leader, and Peregrin Took as son of the Thain was a Fallohide.

    Harfoots
    They were browner of skin than the other Hobbits, had no beards, and did not wear any footwear. They lived in holes they called Smials, a habit which they long preserved, and were on very friendly terms with the Dwarves, who travelled through the High Pass on the Great Road.

    The Harfoots were the first to migrate westward into Arnor, and it was to them that the name Periannath or Halflings was first applied by the Dúnedain when they were first recorded in Arnorian records around TA 1050 of the Third Age. They tended to settle down for long times, and founded numerous villages as far as Weathertop.

    By the 1300s of the Third Age they had reached Bree, which long was the most western village of any Hobbits.

    The Harfoots were joined between TA 1150 and TA 1300 by the Fallohides and some Stoors. The Harfoots took Fallohides, a bolder race, as their leaders.

    When The Shire was colonized in TA 1601 most of its people were Harfoots.

    Stoors
    They were heavier and broader in build than the other Hobbits, and had large hands and feet. Among the Hobbits, the Stoors most resembled Men and were most friendly to them. Stoors were the only Hobbits who normally grew facial hair. Stoorish characteristics and appearance remained among the Hobbits of the Eastfarthing, Buckland (such as the Brandybucks) and the Bree-hobbits.The Stoors also had their own dialect of Hobbitish, owing to the fact that they spent some time in Dunland and adopted many strange words and names which they took to the Shire, and retained even until the late Third Age.
    Smeagol was a Stoor hobbit.
     
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    I came across this message of yours only now, Ingolmin. That is great stuff you're sharing here!

    Just by curiosity, might I ask where exactly you have found all this information?
    Thanks!
     
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    Thanks Merroe!
    The books written by Tolkien as well as the material given on the internet(sites such as Tolkien Gateway, Fandom, Sci-Fi Stack Exchange etc) are some of the sources of this information written here.
     

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