Discussion in '"The Two Towers"' started by Evenstar373, Sep 23, 2003.
Has anyone every figured out how those orcs in the ttt book could run in sunlight??????
Um, maybe this sound be in a different section, but anyway, well, which orcs ran in sunlight? I know the Uruk-hai in both the book and movie could run in sunlight, and in the begining of TTT (book) the Uruks made the orcs running with them run in the sun. I guess it was just a matter of fear and/or hatered agaist the sun and light.
yah the uruks can run in sunlight. thats one of their "improvements" convenient, eh?
I think that orcs weren't like trolls, who actually turned to stone when exposed to the sun, they just had an intense dislike of it, "it made their legs tremble and their heads giddy," or such.
Not the Olog-Hai though.
Yeah, I just meant "regular" trolls.
Yea I know they are not like trolls but I thought it made them very weak and that they could not run very far .
As Legolas Lover said, the Uruk Hai had the ability to run under the sun; they still hated it but it did not effect them nearly as much as other orcs, I imagine.
If I remember correctly, there were Mordor orcs with the Uruks as they carried M&P, suggesting all orcs could move under the sun, but hated to do so as it made them weak.
Uruk-Hai, still a question to me how they were bred? I read the book and all and seen the movie, but still, how was it possible?
Hmm... I recall hearing that he (Saruman) interbred them with humans...
I know that, but how did he interbreed them? In what way, I would try to look it up, but I'd rather hear it from someone who knows.
um well i hope we dont go into deatil about that LOL.
I second that!
He probably used some kind of 'magical' means. I seriously doubt any human would interbreed with an orc, even upon the pain of death.
yah but of course i guess u get uh ... raped by and orc ...is it ok to say that here? LOL. if it isnt sorry i didnt kno.
they are mostly urak-hais but the orcs are running in the sinlight because the know aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas are hunting them and need to get the hobbits back to orthanc (Isengaurd).
As bad as it sounds, this would most definately have been the way by which the Uruk-Hai were bred.
The Uruks are not bred with Men, and they are not bred by Saruman.
LotR - Appendix A
In the last years of Denethor I the race of uruks, black orcs of great strength, first appeared out of Mordor, and in 2475 they swept across Ithilien and took Osgiliath.
The Uruks first appeared out of Mordor almost 300 years before saruman moved into Orthanc.
LotR - Appendix F
Orc is the form of the name that other races had for this foul people as it was in the language of Rohan. In Sindarin it was orch. Related, no doubt, was the word uruk of the Black Speech, though this was applied as a rule only to the great soilder-orcs that at this time issued from Mordor and Isengard.
Uruk is the Black Speech form of Orc, Uruks is the anglized form of Uruk-hai.
Unfinished Tales - Index
Uruks - Anglicized form of Uruk-hai of the Black Speech; a race of Orcs of great size and strength.
Hai is not translated, many say it means race or folk. I believe it means troop or company.
TTT - The Choices of Master Samwise
'Hai! hai! yoi!' A yell broke into the exchanges of the leaders. The Orcs lower down had suddenly seen something.
You can see that the Orc is using Hai to get the attention of the other Orcs, as if he was calling his troop or company.
The Uruk-hai are not Half-orcs, many people see these 2 quotes as proof that they are.
TTT - Treebeard
'For these Isengarders are more like wicked Men. It is a mark of evil things that came in the Great Darkness that they cannot abide the Sun; but Saruman's Orcs can endure it, even if they hate it. I wonder what he has done? Are they Men he has ruined, or has he blended the races of Orcs and Men? That would be a black evil!'
TTT - Helm's Deep
'But these creatures of Isengard, these half-orcs and goblin-men that the foul craft of Saruman has bred, they will not quail at the sun,' said Gamling
But they miss these quotes.
FotR - A Knife in the Dark
'So that's were that southerner is hiding!' he (Frodo) thought. 'He looks more than half like a goblin.'
TTT - Flotsam and Jetsam
'But there were others that were horrible: man-high, but with goblin-faces, sallow, leering, squint-eyed. Do you know, they reminded me at once of that Southerner at Bree, only he was not so obviously orc-like as most of these were.' 'I thought of him too,' said Aragorn. 'We had many of these half-orcs to deal with at Helm's Deep.'
RotK - The Scouring of the Shire
..they were disturbed to see half a dozen large ill-favored Men lounging against the inn-wall; they were squint-eyed and sallow-faced. 'Like that friend of Bill Ferny's at Bree,' said Sam. 'Like many that I saw at Isengard,' muttered Merry
RotK - The Scouring of the Shire
Merry himself slew the leader, a great squint-eyed brute like a huge orc.
The Half-orcs are the ruffians who took over the Shire and the southerner at Bree.
Unfinished Tales - The Hunt for the Ring
Some while ago one of Saruman's most trusted servants (yet a ruffianly fellow, an outlaw driven from Dunland, where many said that he had Orc-blood) had returned from the borders of the Shire, where he had been negotiating for the purpose of "leaf" and other supplies............This Dunlending was overtaken by seceral of the Black Riders as they approached the Tharbad crossing...........The Witch-king had now a clearer understanding of the matter........Seeing that his Master suspected some move between the Shire and Bree (the position of which he knew) would be an important point, at least for information. He put therefore the Shadow of fear on the Dunlending, and sent him on to Bree as an agent. He was the squint-eyed southerner at the Inn. *C.T. note: See The Fellowship of the Ring. When Strider and the Hobbits left Bree Frodo caught a glimpse of the Dunlending ("a swallow face with sly, slanting eyes") in Bill Ferny's house on the outskirts of Bree, and thought: "He looks more than half like a goblin."*
In the Battle of the Fords of Isen the Orc-men followed the Uruks into battle.
Unfinished Tales - The Battle of the Fords of Isen
The Garrison of the east bank surprised by the sudden assault of the massed Uruks.......As soon as the enemy had gained possession of the eastern end of the Fords there appeared a company of men or Orc-men....
Saruman bred two types of Half-orcs, Men-orcs and Orc-men.
Morgoth's Ring - Myths Transformed
There is no doubt that long afterwards, in the Third Age, Saruman rediscovered this, or learned of it in lore, and in his lust for mastery committed this, his wickedest deed: the interbreeding of Orcs and Men, producing both Men-orcs large and cunning, and Orc-men treacherous and vile.
The southerner at Bree was probably a Man-orc while the brute that Merry killed was a Orc-man.
The Uruks in service to Saruman came from the Misty Mountains.
LotR - Appendix A
At that time Sauron had arisen again, and the shadow of Mordor reached out to Rohan. Orcs began to raid in the eastern regions and slay or steal horses. Others also came down from the Misty Mountains, many being great uruks in the service of Saruman, though it was long before that was suspected.
either way... *shudders*
Now that I don't like to think about.
yah whatever they are, how they were made isnt very pretty im sure, LOL
I second that! Man, Saruman was one nasty dude.
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