Praise them with great praise!

Discussion in '"The Lord of the Rings"' started by Beorn, Aug 5, 2002.

  1. Grond

    Grond Melkor's Mallet

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2001
    Messages:
    2,981
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    36
    Occupation:
    Premium Audit Manager
    Location:
    Somewhere in a Tolkien story.
    Home Page:
    The Pen is mightier than the sword. :)
     
  2. Rangerdave

    Rangerdave He's Back!

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2002
    Messages:
    886
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Instructor of History
    Location:
    Ever so slightly out of sync with reality
    Home Page:
    And easier to disguise in the dark recesses of a coat pocket.


    RD
     

  3. HLGStrider

    HLGStrider All Knowing Magic Cat

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2001
    Messages:
    7,804
    Likes Received:
    28
    Trophy Points:
    38
    Occupation:
    mommy, writer, Marine wife
    Location:
    Moving on the whim of the military
    Home Page:
    Ever seen the Last Crusade, Indiana Jones?

    Love that scene... This is war, Marcus...
     
  4. Rangerdave

    Rangerdave He's Back!

    Joined:
    Mar 16, 2002
    Messages:
    886
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Instructor of History
    Location:
    Ever so slightly out of sync with reality
    Home Page:
    Are you kidding?

    My minor was in Archaeology, The Indy trilogy was required viewing.
    despite the fact that he was more of a grave robber than an archaeologist.

    RD
     

  5. Ol' Toby

    Ol' Toby New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2018
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Chicago, USA
    I made an account just to reply to this 16 year old thread haha. The pedantry and 'big-brainedness' of the OP was just too much... I had to say something.

    First of all, 'praise them with great praise' is not redundant, it is an absolutely beautiful expression of the inexpressible. This part of the book is my all time favorite part (the Scouring of the Shire being a very close second) and every time I finally reach this moment, and the "Praise them with great praise!" line, I can't help but shed a couple of tears. It is the absolute climax of the book, and it portrays with such vivid beauty the highest honors being bestowed upon Frodo and Samwise.

    They are there, before all of the very best, most noble and good, the strongest and most worthy audience in all of middle earth-- all of high elf lords, the Lord Aragorn, Gandalf, etc. everyone good and noble in the world is there, and they wish to express to Frodo and Sam the highest possible praise and glory... so high, so great, so magnificent is their celebration of them, that words completely fall short.

    Despite that, some verbal praise must be given... but how can you express such praise so overflowing with highest possible honor and glory with mere words? "Praise them with great praise" is perfect because it shows that they are at a loss for words. It's the type of love and honor that only tears and song could come close to expressing... and "praise them with great praise" captures that perfectly. Even the Elves, even these men of high renown, are unable to formulate a sentence that truly captures it... and yet, they are able to allude to this inexpressible love with the words, "praise them with great praise."

    I feel sorry for you who read this part and had the thought pop into your head, "that's redundant!" because when I read this part (if I've actually been reading the books in order up to that point) I can only cry and agree, praise the halflings with great praise. No words are really worthy of their highness.

    Furthermore... consider the other bits about it:
    "Long live the halflings / praise them with great praise!"
    "Praise them with great praise / Frodo and Samwise!"

    Each half-line has 5 syllables. This is wonderful alliterative verse. It could not have been written any better.

    Poor soul who made this thread, I hope you read this post.
     
  6. Squint-eyed Southerner

    Squint-eyed Southerner Lurking in the Chetwood

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    354
    Likes Received:
    287
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA
    Excellent first, post, and welcome to the forum! I hope you will make many more.

    Now, find yourself a suitable icon -- I want to see what an ApollonianGerm looks like! :D

    Edit: I see there's someone of that name active on various social media platforms. Are you he? If so, you're certainly busy!
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2018
    Alcuin and Ol' Toby like this.
  7. Ol' Toby

    Ol' Toby New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2018
    Messages:
    2
    Likes Received:
    4
    Trophy Points:
    3
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Chicago, USA
    Thanks, Squint-eyed Southerner!

    Yes, I have a youtube channel and a wordpress under the same name. But perhaps I should've registered this account under a different name... because I know I have some very controversial political opinions that I express on my youtube channel, and I don't necessarily want that to follow me into discussions about LOTR or Tolkien here, because I don't think it is entirely relevant and it could easily bias people against me.

    But yes, I look forward to future talk on Tolkien! Thanks for the welcome.
     
  8. Ithilethiel

    Ithilethiel Active Member

    Joined:
    May 6, 2018
    Messages:
    149
    Likes Received:
    122
    Trophy Points:
    43
    Gender:
    Female
    Location:
    Woodland Realm
    Agree with SES, welcome and great first post. Couldn't agree more with your post.

    Praise Ol' Toby with great praise! :D
     
  9. Barliman

    Barliman Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2018
    Messages:
    61
    Likes Received:
    27
    Trophy Points:
    18
    Gender:
    Male
    Occupation:
    Innkeeper
    Location:
    Ummm...Bree, where else?
    Praise him with great praise! ;)

    I liked it too.

    As for the OP, yes it's very formal, and formal statements often sound somewhat awkward. But it fits with the story as there are a number of "awkward" points where characters are being formal.
    Remember this?
    "Mourn not overmuch! Mighty was the fallen,
    meet was his ending. When his mound is raised,
    women then shall weep. War now calls us!"
    The fifth issue of Tolkien Studies also mentions that the "Praise them with great praise...." as being modeled on Psalms. I certainly have no idea if it was, but obviously Tolkien would have been well versed in the Psalms. (sorry, couldn't resist :D)
     

Share This Page