Discussion in '"The Lord of the Rings"' started by Beorn, Aug 5, 2002.
The Pen is mightier than the sword.
And easier to disguise in the dark recesses of a coat pocket.
Ever seen the Last Crusade, Indiana Jones?
Love that scene... This is war, Marcus...
Are you kidding?
My minor was in Archaeology, The Indy trilogy was required viewing.
despite the fact that he was more of a grave robber than an archaeologist.
I made an account just to reply to this 16 year old thread haha. The pedantry and 'big-brainedness' of the OP was just too much... I had to say something.
First of all, 'praise them with great praise' is not redundant, it is an absolutely beautiful expression of the inexpressible. This part of the book is my all time favorite part (the Scouring of the Shire being a very close second) and every time I finally reach this moment, and the "Praise them with great praise!" line, I can't help but shed a couple of tears. It is the absolute climax of the book, and it portrays with such vivid beauty the highest honors being bestowed upon Frodo and Samwise.
They are there, before all of the very best, most noble and good, the strongest and most worthy audience in all of middle earth-- all of high elf lords, the Lord Aragorn, Gandalf, etc. everyone good and noble in the world is there, and they wish to express to Frodo and Sam the highest possible praise and glory... so high, so great, so magnificent is their celebration of them, that words completely fall short.
Despite that, some verbal praise must be given... but how can you express such praise so overflowing with highest possible honor and glory with mere words? "Praise them with great praise" is perfect because it shows that they are at a loss for words. It's the type of love and honor that only tears and song could come close to expressing... and "praise them with great praise" captures that perfectly. Even the Elves, even these men of high renown, are unable to formulate a sentence that truly captures it... and yet, they are able to allude to this inexpressible love with the words, "praise them with great praise."
I feel sorry for you who read this part and had the thought pop into your head, "that's redundant!" because when I read this part (if I've actually been reading the books in order up to that point) I can only cry and agree, praise the halflings with great praise. No words are really worthy of their highness.
Furthermore... consider the other bits about it:
"Long live the halflings / praise them with great praise!"
"Praise them with great praise / Frodo and Samwise!"
Each half-line has 5 syllables. This is wonderful alliterative verse. It could not have been written any better.
Poor soul who made this thread, I hope you read this post.
Excellent first, post, and welcome to the forum! I hope you will make many more.
Now, find yourself a suitable icon -- I want to see what an ApollonianGerm looks like!
Edit: I see there's someone of that name active on various social media platforms. Are you he? If so, you're certainly busy!
Thanks, Squint-eyed Southerner!
Yes, I have a youtube channel and a wordpress under the same name. But perhaps I should've registered this account under a different name... because I know I have some very controversial political opinions that I express on my youtube channel, and I don't necessarily want that to follow me into discussions about LOTR or Tolkien here, because I don't think it is entirely relevant and it could easily bias people against me.
But yes, I look forward to future talk on Tolkien! Thanks for the welcome.
Agree with SES, welcome and great first post. Couldn't agree more with your post.
Praise Ol' Toby with great praise!
Praise him with great praise!
I liked it too.
As for the OP, yes it's very formal, and formal statements often sound somewhat awkward. But it fits with the story as there are a number of "awkward" points where characters are being formal.
"Mourn not overmuch! Mighty was the fallen,
meet was his ending. When his mound is raised,
women then shall weep. War now calls us!"The fifth issue of Tolkien Studies also mentions that the "Praise them with great praise...." as being modeled on Psalms. I certainly have no idea if it was, but obviously Tolkien would have been well versed in the Psalms. (sorry, couldn't resist )
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