Are you trying to be clever, Arvedui? Try harder! Firstly the question is NOT if they deserved all Bilbo did, it is all Bilbo 'did for them' ... and if I translate that into 'help', I can't see what is wrong with that. Its really a desperate measure to throw in examples of Bilbo messing up, as an example of undeserved actions. Of course, you laughably argue that Bilbo's bungled pick-pocketing landed them into trouble was undeserved by the dwarves. Was that a joke? Well obviously that trouble was 'undeserved' but Bilbo didn't attempt his pick-pocketing 'for' the dwarves. He did it to try to prove himself, and against Thorin's instructions. He was meant to come back and report, but instead he messed up. So, sorry, that wasnt something he did 'for' the dwarves, so whether or not it was undeserved is frankly more or less irrelevant. But lets at least say that Bilbo's bungle was forgiven, and so is one more reason why the dwarves deserved Bilbo's help. Lets consider your other examples. The 'Unexpected Party'... I'm slightly neutral on this one. I think here that Gandalf is at fault, by inviting the dwarves without Bilbo's knowledge. At least the dwarves helped with the dishes! Are we really going to make a huge issue of this? I'd make mention of the provisions and pony that the dwarves provided to Bilbo along the way if we really want to get into this one! The spiders: good. I'm glad we can say that there was nothing undeserved about this. The escape from the Elven-King.... Interesting... this was supposed to be one of the examples of 'non-burgling'! Perhaps not!! You say they "grumbled", and indeed they did. But then "they calmed down". I don't think grumbling is such a horrendous crime, when faced with the prospect of being stuffed into a barrel and tossed into a river! It was not going to be a comfortable or particularly safe escape... Lets consider further... You give a quote, conveniently abridged of course! Allow me to give a little more. I apologise to readers and judges, for lengthy quoting can be tedious, but in this case the wider quote is necessary. If we look in 'A Warm Welcome' we find that when they come ashore, Bilbo tries to hunt down which are the right barrels but 'only discovered about six dwarves that could answer'. They 'were so soaked and bruised and cramped that they could hardly yet realise their release or be properly thankful for it.' Fili states he is 'sick with hunger'. Those were the lucky ones! Bombur was 'asleep or senseless'; the rest were 'waterlogged and seemed only half alive; they all had to be carried one by one and laid helpless on the shore.' Now, remember here we are looking for a lack of gratitude so overwhelming that it makes the dwarves undeserving of help. What are Thorin's first words to Bilbo. Now tell me what is so ungracious about those words? They sound both grateful and honest to me! Later we find: So this nonsense about a lack of gratitude is just not based on fact at all. Next, you make mention of him finding the key hole. Yes he did. And that was undeserved for what reason? Did you have a point here? Of course, all matter to do with getting inside the mountain were his area, as the appointed burglar. Surely the legalistic minds of Ost-in-Edhil don't have some clause in the contract which excludes the finding of key-holes?! As for the treasure, I believe Thol will have posted something in reply by the time this post is finished but for good measure, lets correct you on a question of fact. Bilbo gave his portion to Bard, and not to the dwarves. And Dain promptly gave him more. Bilbo decided not to take as much as was offered, because it was more than he needed and because it would be hard to transport so far in safety. Good reasons, I feel, but one's to do with self-interest rather than doing the dwarves a favour. That explodes each of your allegations against the dwarves, all of your examples (except the Arkenstone question which I will turn to soon, I promise!) Finally you say I am contradicting myself. Where? I say Bilbo decided the dwarves cause was deserving of help, and he had the right to make that decision and that he did so despite scepticism of the dwarves, because he wanted to prove them wrong. What is contradictory? He didnt think their scepticism made them undeserving. You have yet to explain why he was wrong! Oh by the way... are you ever going to address the question of it being obviously a deserving cause to try to regain your home from a dragon?