Round 9: Ost-in-Edhil vs. Tolkienology

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  1. Rhiannon

    Rhiannon is one hand clapping

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    Welcome to the Round 9: Ost-in-Edhil vs. Tolkienology debate! Will the guilds please post their teams?

    Judges:
    Scholars - Captain
    Periaur - Aule
    Outcasts - Rhiannon
    Eruhíni - Nevavarein
    Neutral - Ithrynluin

    *EDITED* with a confirmed judge list
     
    Last edited: Oct 30, 2003
  2. Lhunithiliel

    Lhunithiliel Fëanorean

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    Hail, fair hostess! :)

    The team from GoT (so far) is:

    Starflower
    Eriol
    Lhunithiliel

    We are expecting a fair and sophisticated debate with our opponents.
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    Just a question before it all starts.
    As Black Captain is also a member of GoT, is it OK for him to judge ?
    I don't mind that.... but later our opponents might object to this fact and just to avoid any misunderstanding or/and future rows I suggest this question to be cleared.
     

  3. Gil-Galad

    Gil-Galad in love

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    Finally we have our fourth debator.It's Manveru.
    So,our team is :
    Eriol
    Starflower
    Lhunithiliel
    Manveru
     
  4. Rhiannon

    Rhiannon is one hand clapping

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    Good point, Lhunithiliel, I hadn't thought that he was in both. If the Guild of Ost-in-Edhil objects, I will try and find a different judge.
     

  5. Gothmog

    Gothmog Lord of Balrogs Staff Member

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    I have raised Lhunithiliel's question in our guild. When we post our team we will also answer it.
     
  6. Mrs. Maggott

    Mrs. Maggott Home is where the cat is

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    Forgive me, but this should not even be a question. At no time should a person who belongs to one of the Guilds involved in the debate be chosen as a judge in that debate. This is horribly unfair all round. It's unfair to the other Guild who may secretly harbor the belief that the other Guild's judge cannot be fair no matter how impartial he or she may appear. It is unfair to the judge who will have to bend over backwards to avoid the appearance of favoritism and therefore may actually penalize his own Guild in an effort to be "objective" and it is unfair to that judge's Guild because it may find him far more harsh and "subjective" in his judging simply because he is attempting to avoid any appearance of impropriety!

    I would strongly urge that at all times judges should be chosen from Guilds that are not taking part in the debate. It is the only way to avoid all of the above.
     
  7. Gil-Galad

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    Mrs.Maggott I think you are absolutely right.First of all it is not fair to the one who will judge the debate.He will be in a ery difficult situation and you mentioned what would happen.
    I think we found the answer to the question Lhun asked.
     
  8. Rhiannon

    Rhiannon is one hand clapping

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    My apologies to the guilds; I wasn't checking. I'll recruit another judge, and in the mean time will Ost-in-Edhil post its team please?
     
  9. Mrs. Maggott

    Mrs. Maggott Home is where the cat is

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    Please understand what I have said. I don't think that any person on the forum would cheat, nor do I believe that most of us would think that any person would cheat. I simply believe that we should stop any possible problem at its source and avoid any future recriminations, ill feelings or impossible situations all round. It is onerous enough to function as a judge. To my mind it would be impossible to put any forum member in the position of having to judge a debate in which his or her own Guild is a participant.
     
  10. Rhiannon

    Rhiannon is one hand clapping

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    I do understand Mrs. Maggot, and you're absolutely right. I should have checked first. So I apologise to the guilds for the delay in a finalized judge list.
     
  11. Lhunithiliel

    Lhunithiliel Fëanorean

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    Don't worry, Rhi! :)

    Things like this happen. Don't feel guilty for anything! We thank you for showing concern! There is time! You will find another judge, I am sure! The more important issue in all this is the debate itself.
     
  12. Gil-Galad

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    Yeah,the most important thing is the debate!I'm so eager to read,because I'm sure it is going to be extremely interesting!!:) :rolleyes:
     
  13. Gothmog

    Gothmog Lord of Balrogs Staff Member

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    The Team for Ost-in-Edhil is

    Arvedui
    Chymaera
    Ravenna
    Gothmog.

    As for the problem of Black Captain. We agree with the points raised by Mrs. Maggott as it would be unfair to him. I will say however that there was no objection raised in our guild to him. :)
     
  14. Mrs. Maggott

    Mrs. Maggott Home is where the cat is

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    Which is, of course, because our Guilds (and our forum) are filled with the best of all possible people! :p
     
  15. Rhiannon

    Rhiannon is one hand clapping

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    Topic: 'Who proved more detrimental to the good of the other peoples of Middle-Earth: The Noldorin Exiles or the lesser houses of Men?'

    The Guild of Tolkienology will post first, if that's acceptable, and the debate will be closed one week after they're first post.

    Good luck!
     
  16. Gothmog

    Gothmog Lord of Balrogs Staff Member

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    I am sorry, but I believe that it is OiE that should post first. Can you check on this?
     
  17. Manveru

    Manveru (former)blue angel of GoT

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    According to the schedule posted by Aule, yeah... you're the 'home' team;).
     
  18. Gothmog

    Gothmog Lord of Balrogs Staff Member

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    Thank you Manveru, we will endevour to supercharge our wheelchairs and get a post on swiftly. :D
     
  19. Aulë

    Aulë The Larrikin

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    Yep, you have the first post.
    The GoT were first up in previous meeting between you two (Round 4). If you can't remember that far back, because of the Alzeihmers ;), it was when they chose to say that it was ok for Beren and Lúthien to involve other people in their quest.
     
  20. Rhiannon

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    Bah, I was looking at the wrong list. Fortunately someone else always knows what's going on ;)