Sauron's Form

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  1. Erestor Arcamen

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    Well, here's what we got...a shadow person....better than a giant eye floating around at least I guess:

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    Im not smart as yall on this but its the eye of sauron so that means maybe it could be a big eye that is his im prolly missing something saying its him but i also could swear i read somwhere that gollum was one of the few to see sauron when sauron was torchering him for juicy ring gossip
     
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    To echo Galin’s earlier post,,

    In Letters of JRR Tolkien, Letter 246, Tolkien wrote,
    I imagine that after the ruin of Númenor, in which his old form was lost, he looked in some ways similar to the Balrog, described as “a dark form, of man-shape maybe, yet greater; and a power and terror seemed to be in it and to go before it,” (Fellowship of the Ring, “Bridge of Khazad-dûm”) though I doubt Sauron sported a “streaming mane”. Gollum said Sauron “has only four [fingers] on the Black Hand” (Two Towers, “The Black Gate is Closed”)on which he formerly wore the One Ring.

    Frodo saw his eye in the Mirror of Galadriel: “The Eye was rimmed with fire, but was itself glazed, yellow as a cat’s, watchful and intent, and the black slit of its pupil opened on a pit, a window into nothing.” I think that might be an accurate description of Sauron’s eye, but I personally don’t think he was one-eyed like a Cyclops (Disagreement invited on this!): I think “The Eye of Sauron” as if he were one-eyed creature was a figure of speech. If you put “the eye of” into Google, the first thing that pops up is “the Eye of Horus”, followed by “the Eye of Ra”, two Egyptian gods, neither of whom was considered one-eyed. I think “The Eye of Sauron” is combination of that idea with the concept of “the evil eye”, the last of which is a near-universal symbol of malevolence. In this I hope to expand upon the idea that “the Eye of Sauron” “seems a reference to Sauron's will, or his searching will or mind.,” as Galin put it.

    If you look at Tolkien’s drawing of Sauron that jallan references, the shadowy form of Sauron that rose after the collapse of Barad-dûr does not appear one-eyed.

    Here’s a link to “Sauron Was Not A Lighthouse”.

    But if you’re paying to make a movie, and the Tolkien Estate no longer controls the rights to the film, I suppose you can make the characters look as silly as you please, including Dwarves and Elves falling in love; covering Smaug with molten gold; having Azog hunt Thorin; having a warg drag Aragorn off a cliff; sending Arwen out to hunt for Frodo instead of Glorfindel; sending an Elven army to the Hornberg; altering the death of Saruman; depicting the decrepitude of Théoden as possession by Saruman; altering the character of Faramir (and Aragorn); changing the purpose and meaning of the reforging of Narsil into Andúril; etc., etc. After all that, depicting Sauron as an outlandish version of the Pharos of Alexandria is no great shakes.
     
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    What was the fate of the Ithil palantirk? is there a connection between the Eye of Sauron and the Ithil Stone k? k? ...
     
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    Mike Beowulf's lost son-in-law

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    I'm pretty sure the "Eye of Sauron" in part refers to the abilities granted him by the palantir to be "all seeing".
     
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    @Mike, I understand that its just a tale and Tolkien pieced it amazingly well together, though couldn't Saruman seek the Ithil Stone once he could locate it from gazing through the ORTANc Stone in those odd 200 years before going bad ie before the white council meeting and Sauron's return...
     
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    It's been a while since I read the palantir essay in Unfinished Tales, but my impression was that, while you could try to locate other stones, it would be as effective as looking for any other object unless there was someone else at the other end to "broadcast" back to you.
     
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    Minas Ithil falls in 2002 the Ithil stone is captured, Saruman takes up his abode in Isengard in 2759 and uses Orthanc palantir for first time in 3000 h& becomes ensnared by Sauron. This could mean that if he had used the stone of Orthanc to locate the Ithil one 2759 he would have been ensnared earlier. A new question comes to mind: was no body aware of the presence of the Orthanc stone in middle earth before Saruman took up his abode there?
     
  10. Erestor Arcamen

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    Well the Exiles of Numenor built Orthanc and placed the stone there. After the fall of the line of kings, the stone was all but forgotten by all except for the Steward of Gondor, so I'd assume that the Fellowship may not have been aware of the Stone, though Gandalf may have known. More info on this stone is available from the Tolkien Gateway.

    http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Orthanc-stone
     
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