The Silmaril that Got Away, clad in the Arkenstone

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  1. CirdanLinweilin

    CirdanLinweilin The Wandering Wastrel

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    I wonder if anyone else has heard this.

    I did a bit of digging and learned, to my amazement, that a Silmaril lies within the Arkenstone. So that whole time everyone was holding the darned thing, a legendary artifact of Morgoth's time lay inside.

    My question: How in the hell did it go unnoticed, especially by Thranduil and Gandalf! Particularly Gandalf!

    (Anyone may feel free to correct me on anything in this post!!)

    -CL
     
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    Is it ok for you to ask where/how you found this?
     
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    CirdanLinweilin The Wandering Wastrel

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    I've been keeping tabs on the argument. It actually seems pretty popular.

    Although I have been debunked already: This is from Tolkien Gateway 'Misconceptions'

    • The Arkenstone was a Silmaril, probably the one thrown into a fiery pit by Maedhros, and found its way (geologically?) to the north, to be rediscovered by the Khazad of Erebor. Tolkien wrote that the two lost Silmarils would remain lost until the end of Arda. However, in a partial translation of early Silmarillion texts into Old English Tolkien used the etymologically related term 'Eorclanstanas' ('holy stones') to translate 'Silmarils' - suggesting that he may have borrowed the name and other concepts from the Silmarils in describing the Arkenstone.
      • A Silmaril is a gemstone hallowed by Varda which would not suffer the touch of mortal or evil hands.[4] It only allowed Beren to handle it, but Beren also lost the hand that held it. Many mortals handled the Arkenstone without a consequence, and they did not all have good intent. It would have burned them and possibly burned Smaug if it were truly a Silmaril. As attractive as this theory is, because it would have made the Arkenstone such a poignant element in The Hobbit, it can only be, at best, Silmaril-like or Silmaril-inspired. The latter being the most likely case. It is not a Silmaril.
    Just ignore my post. I feel so stupid now. Ah well, lesson learned.
     
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    Complete speculation. EVEN IF the Arkenstone was some mutation of the Silmaril Maedhros spent, you'd assume it would be in Beleriand or somewhere even remotely West, not in Erebor, over 2.5 major mountain ranges East.

    Is TProphecies going to copy and paste this post everywhere?
     

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    CirdanLinweilin The Wandering Wastrel

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    I did more research and found this theory flawed, this was an early post of mine, sorry.

    Yeah, I'm considering his posts spam at this point...

    CL
     
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    Oh, gotcha Cirdan. I've never had so much giddiness over talking M.E. with people I'm responding without checking dates!
     
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    CirdanLinweilin The Wandering Wastrel

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    All's good!

    That giddiness is good!

    CL
     
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    True!

    I like to see it!

    Silliness too...

    ... at least a sprinkle now and again to offset any serious Balrog wing discussions ;)
     
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    May I write some appreciative things here:

    • CirdanLinweilin showed great decency by admitting a small error. True netiquette, great manners! Saw it, liked it, waw!
    • Trash from TProphecies was removed from this site. Moderators are working here!

    While exploring these great books first time, people who are "beginners" could be sidetracked easily by wild contributions.

    This tread actually reminds me of an unrelated forum I was interested in for some time: someone put in some porn and it did not get removed because nobody was caring about monitoring that forum. Moderating an internet forum is an all-out important quality aspect. It's the root value of any internet forum, in my view.

    So thumbs up for the moderators here!
     
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    In one of my own fanfiction ideas, I suggested that the Arkenstone was part of one of the busted lamps that predated the Sun and Moon and that the heroes tried to put those lamps back together and defeat Morgoth, who returned in Dagor what's it's face (Middle Earth Armageddon.)

    However , on Youtube, I did find this about the Arkenstone and the idea of it being a Simiral:
     

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