Was Melkor ever good?

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  1. BalrogRingDestroyer

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    Gandalf said that nobody started out as evil, not even Sauron. While Sauron may have been good before he became corrupted by Melkor, it seems that, even during the creation song, Melkor was, if not openly evil, at least openly trying to go his own way rather than follow Eru.
     
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    I think he was. For example, he didn't always wear the name Morgoth. And there was no evil in trying to go one's own way, unless 'one's own way' was to try to openly withstand the will of Illuvatar. Melkor didn't intentionally withstand the will of Illuvatar until he descended into Arda to fight other Valar and even then he was not irredeemable. His name was still Melkor when he was captured and held captive and then released later to walk free within the bounds of Valinor. It is when he seduced Feanor to distrust the Valar, destroyed the Two Trees of Valinor and slew Finwe - Melkor was named Morgoth or 'the Black Foe of the World'. I think the slaughter of Finwe was the act that crossed the final line for Melkor - here he openly withstood not the Valar, but Illuvatar, daring to kill one of the Firstborn children of His.
     

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    He was the most ambitious of all. Ambition in itself isn't a bad thing, but in excess it leads to jealousy. Melkor is basically the embodiment of that. Each Vala embodies an attitude or an element, remember? :)
     
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    He hang out in a bad neighborhood for a while that's all.
     
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    Tolkien says how the music and actions of the Valar were from their own decisions. It seems like Melkor chooses this path during the music when he plays with pride instead of pure creativity which is balance between the individual voice and the whole of the music.

    I think this is a good point, it was ambition that held potential to be a negative trait for Melkor. It's interesting, because Tolkien writes that ultimately even all the destruction of Melkor would be used for the greater fulfillment of Ilúvatar's vision, and he says that Melkor knew more of the mind of Ilúvatar than any other. So, Melkor has the largest impact on the whole history of Arda.

    One could even argue that evil gradually entered Melkor more, from his discord in the music, to when he was destroying the landscape before the Two Trees were created as a titan-like figure, to when he was trying to conquer in battle against the Valar, to when he was enslaving and killing the Children of Ilúvatar.
     
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    Good point. A couple of other examples could be cited: Aule's drive for making things, or the wild exuberance of Osse, either of which, if unchecked, become destructive.