Was Thrandil an antihero?

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  1. BalrogRingDestroyer

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    The Elven King of Mirkwood, in both the book and the movie, seems to cause more problems than he solves. If he hadn't kidnapped the dwarves and locked them up, Thorin probably wouldn't have reacted so harshly to him (of course, that likely would have meant Dain wouldn't have come and the goblins would have won the Battle of Five Armies).

    I mean, none of the dwarves told why they were truly going, so clearly they suspected that the Elven king would demand a share (it wasn't like they kept the mission totally secret,for they DID tell Elrond and later did tell the people of Lake Town (though maybe they did so out of compulsion, as they wanted to make sure that the Master of the Laketown wouldn't send them back to the Elven King, so they tried to say that they would restore all and get rid of Smaug.) I think Thrandil would have demanded some of the treasure had they actually told him. Indeed, upon finding out about their escape, the elven king actually thinks "Well, they won't be able to bring the treasure back across Mirkwood without my having a say in it."


    I think that if he'd actually helped the dwarves and Bilbo when they came asking for help, Thorin probably would have been more disposed to help both him and Bard when they came asking for some of the treasure.

    Even as an old man, Gloin bears ill-will toward the Elven King for his imprisonment over 60 years earlier, as is shown in the chapter "The Council of Elrond".


    I actually am pretty angry that Gandalf, if he was there, didn't tell Thrandil to go back off and let Bard come alone asking for payment for slaying the dragon, etc. It would have cooled Thorin down. It seems that Gandalf favors elves over dwarves. (Racist!)
     
  2. CirdanLinweilin

    CirdanLinweilin The Wandering Wastrel

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    Well, I mean, he did like to walk among elves, guised as an elf, as Olórin (Before he became Gandalf.)


    o_O

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    Thranduil was a Sindar Elf from Beleriand, and bad blood had existed between Elf and Dwarf there since the war over the Nauglamir. OTOH, after becoming king of the Silvan Elves in Mirkwood, he apparently had trading relations with the Dwarves of the Lonely Mountain, until the coming of Smaug.

    He could have been suspicious of Thorin &Co. out of a fear they might rouse Smaug, but it's likely he would suspect any unknown party entering his domain without permission. Beorn did warn them not to leave the path!

    As for the Dwarves, their stubbornness and secretiveness is legendary, as is their feeling that everyone is out to rob them. I doubt they would be disposed either to talk, or share the wealth Even Smaug was aware of their nature; he used the knowledge to arouse doubts in Bilbo, remember.
     
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    May I remind here of a posting by DagoraC here, on the subject of Thranduil.
     

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    Elaini Lost in Eä

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    Because Thraduil is a Sinda of Doriath just like Celeborn (who shows no fondness for Dwarves either), you can sort of forgive their prejudice at least. If you had a king thinking about your best, would you forget that he was killed over greed?

    The real problem is them stamping an entire race over a few bad apples. Galadriel knew better.