What has the Lord of the Rings done to your spelling?

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Have you misspelled due to Tolkien?

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  1. Eledhwen

    Eledhwen Cumbrian

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    I've noticed that where there's a spelling difference, British English often has more letters. Harbour, labour, night, etc.

    One I find interesting is lieutenant, which is spelt the same in GB, but Tolkien would have pronounced 'leftenant', as would any Englishman who had heard the word outside of American 'movies'.
     
  2. Elfarmari

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    I have noticed I occasionally use the British spelling of words (adding 'u' to color, etc.), but the thing I've been noticing lately is 'dwarves'. I am currently studying astronomy, and I've been reading and writing about white dwarf stars. The 'proper' plural is white dwarfs, but I constantly want to write dwarves, and think it is wrong whenever I see 'dwarfs'.
     

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    Night? I don't know of any other way to spell it.
     
  4. Eledhwen

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    If they are going to get pedantic, Tolkien says the correct plural for dwarf is dwarrow :p

    My ignorance. It's based on what comes across the pond, probably as advertising and logo spellings. I need an American equivalent to www.effingpot.com.
     

  5. HLGStrider

    HLGStrider All Knowing Magic Cat

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    Advertising spelling. . .great stuff. :rolleyes: It's the Netspeak of the adult world.

    Lite, Nite, Kwik, etc, etc, etc.
     
  6. Morohtar

    Morohtar Schmendrick Returns!

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    Gah! Confounded advertising spelling. PSA for all the advertising people out there: "Your products don't get more extreme if you take the "e" off the front of "extreme." Nor does a larger "x" insure that your product will be more extreme than someone whose "x" is the same size as every other letter in their horribly misspelled product's name.

    Anyways, I haven't noticed that my spelling is different. I do believe that most Canadian spelling rules are the same as British spelling. What I have noticed is that I can spell properly, unlike so many of my peers. Now, this is not so much due to the fact that I have read The Lord of the Rings, but simply that I have read something, and continue to do so on a regular basis. Trying to have grade 12 students read through a book, or some Shakespeare, takes a considerable amount of time. Even when they finish reading, they hardly understand what they just read. They should be in a grade 5 class, for all their reading and comprehension skills.
     
  7. Elorendil

    Elorendil Lover of music

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    I haven't actually misspelled anything (yet:p ) but I have mispronounced a few things. Like the title of the movie Spirit, Stallion of the Cimmeron. I was pronouncing it "Kimmeron" until a friend pointed it out:eek: I've done that with a few other things, too. I've also accidently started speaking Elvish on more than one occasion.
     
  8. Eledhwen

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    They should have the decency to provide a pronunciation guide, like JRRT did in the Appendices. I might have easily made that same mistake as, geologically, I live on the only belt of Oxford Kimmeridge clay on the planet.

    As I've said before; I am English, and was brought up in the North West, specifically the Lakes, where older words have survived in general use. I am sometimes surprised that a word I use is regarded as archaic.
     
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    As far as gray/grey is concerned, I tend to use grey for beautiful greyish colors (like a grey dress) and gray for ugly gray (like a dull gray sky.) I also have started spelling practice, practise. I'm not sure if that's the British spelling or just pointlessness, but...
     
  10. Eledhwen

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    I have always had old fashioned English spelling. My family are from the North, where especially in Yorkshire an older version of English survived well into the 20th century (Yorkshire saying: "All the world is qüeer save thee and me, and even thou art a bit qüeer.
     
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    The advertising, expecially on product logos have gotten so hectic and colorful trying to jump out at ya that it is a more plain oldish-fashioned looking labels with a more elagant design which is coming back into appeal I think.

    Yeah the British spellings, I have done it a lot here... even the actual grammar too, or sentence structure. Wording things certain ways that aren't common in the USA, which comes from talking to English people. Though I don't like to do it in front of British people outside of TTF because it might look like I'm trying to be British.:*D Which would be pathetic since you can't become British can you... and its not that much better than being an American is it. Aren't both of our cultures pretty much shot to hell and our societies degrading in the exact same way for the exact same reasons?:*confused:

    favourite, centre, Baggins... 'quotations "within" quotes'... I'm so British now.;*)
     
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    English is not my first language, but it is the first language I read LOTR in. Thus it has not affected my spelling as such, but my English in general. Take the dwarf-dwarves and elf-elves thing, I did not know there was any other way of spelling these words, as I had never encountered them before!
    On another tangent, growing up in a non-English speaking country, I never had any opportunity to hear an English speaker reading the books, thus I completely made up the pronunciation of the names/places. The biggest thing for me when the films came out was simply to hear them talking!!!
     
  13. HLGStrider

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    If you don't mind, I'm just curious what your first language is. Seeing your location as London I had always just assumed you were "from there" as well, plus you have incredibly good English, so I never doubted it was your first language, but now you have me curious.
     
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    @Elgee my first language is Finnish, I grew up in Finland (wayyyy up north of everything ;). I have lived abroad for over a decade now so I speak English more than my own language these days.
     
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    My spelling has always been very good, but Tolkien's florid and archaic diction has added much to my working vocabulary. As an American, I resent the arbitrary changes made to the English language in this country. The sundering of American spelling is due entirely to one Noah Webster, whose philosophical and political views corresponded to total cultural independence from England. Over two hundred years ago, he began systematically altering and "simplifying" the spelling of English words in his dictionaries over the course of several editions. In the end, it only made English spelling more difficult, since the French-derived "colour" and "favour" are phonetic for English, whilst "color" and "flavor" are not. At least we don't speak with our "tung," as Webster did. As far as I'm concerned, the OED is the supreme arbiter of the English language, not Merriam-Webster.
     
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    So thats why I've been writing "grey" instead of "gray" all of a sudden. I just kept thinking "where the heck is this e coming from?!" lol
     
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    LotR may be why I tend to use British spellings half the time, actually. And why my vocabulary and syntax tend at times toward the cryptic or archaic.

    EDIT: Wow, self-demonstrating.
     
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    Thanks for reviving this thread, Ithirahad. I have just checked both the Oxford and Cambridge English Dictionaries and both now have the two alternative plurals, dwarfs and dwarves, as accepted alternatives; so Tolkien may have been in error at the time of writing, but not any longer!
     
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    I tend to use "Grey" over "Gray" in my original Fantasy series. I also use "Thou", "Art", you know, that old stuff. :):)

    What I'm curious about is: "Thoust". It sounds like a contracted version of "Thou Hast". It sounds both right and wrong, although I do want to use it more.

    I haven't begun adding a 'u' to everything yet, I might though.

    CL

    P.S. If anyone can help me out with 'Thoust', that'd be great!
     
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    I find that this is true, that these old english phrases often have to be in a sentence with the right syntax and tense, compared to modern terms that are more inter-changeable.
     

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