What really became of Melkor after Dagor Dagorath ?

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  1. Mirak Dagan

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    Hello everyone, I'm new here. There're some questions about Melkor I want to know.

    Tolkien stated that the Valar are immortal. Melkor was defeated many times by the combined force of 14 Valar and countless Maiar, yet, every time he was defeated, he always came back.
    But in the case of Dagor Dagorath, it's quite unclear to me on this subject.

    So, after the Dagor Dagorath event, can Melkor still come back again like he did before ?
    Is he truly "Death/Destroyed" or he's still out there lurking in the shadows, waiting to make another move ?
    If he was truly destroyed after the event then, will there ever be someone like Melkor again in the Second Music of the Ainur ?
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    I think after the Dagor Dagorath Melkor would be done for good and the world rebuilt.

    Source: Tolkien Gateway
     
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    Thanks! But, why it is Turin (a Man) who killed the likes of Melkor (a Vala), why not someone equally powerful with impressive feats like Tulkas/Manwe or Eonwe (a Maia) killed him ?
     
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    One of Tolkien's major themes is the less powerful defeating the worst perils
     

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    I wonder, would Tolkien's grandson continuing his granddad's legacy or leave it like it is since there are still many confusing unanswered questions that Tolkien didn't fully explained to us.
     
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    I would think Tolkien's family will leave his work as it is out of respect. When the copyright runs out then all and sundry will be free to make up whatever they want
     
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    Dagor Dagorath has not yet happened! It is at the end of time, and so it is an incorrect question to ask what became of Melkor after it.

    What WILL become of him? Well, my guess is that he will remain banished, in the void, but even Manwë knows not what will happen in those times! :)
     
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    But if it were to happen and he was Death/Destroyed/Defeated, do you think there'll ever be someone like him (Melkor) rise up again in the Second Music of the Ainur (The next Arda) ?
     
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    No, there is a lack of time continuity between the two. The Second Music is a new world, in which the perfect plan of Ilúvatar is fully manifest.

    Although it can be noted, late in his life, Tolkien talked of removing the Dagor Dagorath from his mythology.
     
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    I thought that this should be worth noting, but didn't Tolkien muse about Eru literally entering into Arda to save it? I know that was mentioned somewhere, maybe the Athrabeth? I just don't know if this was separate from the Dagor Dagorath or not.

    A little something The Professor mused.


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    Here's what I found, a nice fan film about the event @http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRfrAokhP9E, also, the Ainulindalë @http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy7a6yUc8zo

    I see, that probably how Tolkien planned to end his saga. But later abandoned this idea due to some unknown reason. I hope after the copyright has expired, someone will pick up where he left off so that we won't have to stuck here forever.
     
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    I would like to know, as well. I'm sure there are some letters or comments from him regarding it.
    I actually hope no one does continue his mythology, because it would be garbage :D
     
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