Hi there, First post and thread here and I joined this forum in order to discuss an idea that came up to my mind the other day while I was looking on one of these charts of the Eldar genealogy ( one of them is on a sticky thread in this forum). What I'll suggest here is not suggested anywhere in the original text but it makes sense. Who was Oropher and why he left Doriath to become a King of the Woodland Realm? It always seemed to me like a character that landed out of the blue. What were the "credentials" he had in order to claim a whole territory as his realm and this territory's population as his subjects? One good explanation would be that he was of a royal descent himself, in order to be accepted as a ruler of the Silvan populations and not simply because he was a Sindar Elf ( there were plenty of Sindar Elves after all but they didn't claim that they were kings neither established realms out of the blue). So while I was watching the genealogy charts it came to my mind that Oropher was probably one of Olwe's sons and one of Earwen's brothers probably the first of them. And that made absolute sense to me, (no matter if Olwe's family doings don't match accurately) as it makes Oropher nephew of Thingol and a such, a member of his royal family and so eligible to claim the kingship and establish a new realm in another territory, away from this of his uncle in the style of his uncle's realm. (even his own halls were similar to these of Thingol!). This makes him also first cousin of Galadhon and Luthien, uncle of Galandriel and Celeborn ( these two were first cousins too - the endogamy was going strong in Eldar house not matter if it said that it didn't!) and makes his son Thranduil first cousin of Galandriel and Celeborn and so Thranduil's son Legolas, their first cousin once removed! Such a family relation gives also a good explanation on why Thranduil and Celeborn were by default eligible to divide their territories after the War of the Ring. It gives also some good reasons why Oropher and his son were negative towards any dealings with the Dwarves, ( they had assassinated his uncle after all) why Oropher didn't accept the leadership of Gil Galad ( who was his sister's great grand child ) and also makes sense on why both Oropher and his son were in very good terms with Elrond ( who was the in law of their cousin Galadriel). To conclude, Oropher been one of Olwe's sons, makes sense from any point of view and gives some very good explanations about the doings of his family. What is your opinion?