Would Sam have been a better Ringbearer?

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  1. Feanorian

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    But of course elithraniel, we would not like it any other way...........except for Yaygollum and that whole death of Smeagol thing:D . But it is always interesting to discuss the what if's? and the how abouts? Thats what makes LOTR such a great and fun thing to talk about......you never run out of stuff to talk about.
     
  2. YayGollum

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    Sure, that Lord Of The Rings story would have been nice if poor Smeagol didn't have to die and was able to get better and live in the Shire for forever, but no, it wouldn't have been as achingly fitting if he didn't save the day in the end. I'd only want to change one word. Fell. *sniff*
     

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    I dont think Smeagol could live in the Shire....not enough fishess.:D
     
  4. YayGollum

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    Do what? They had riverses. Normal nasssty hobbitses were afraid of the water. Poor Smeagol would have them all to himself.
     

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    Well, The way i see it sam is not a dull-witted, stupid hobit he is as is butterber, that is more then he seems. No seems to recall the instances where frodo would have easily failed had it not been for sam. SHELOB!!! That's one of my favorite parts of the book. I think sam with the aid of the ring, and frodo as his faithful companion would have pulled through. Indeed the story would have been alot different, and not for the better I think.


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  6. YayGollum

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    And not for the better, you think. Got it. So you agree with me. Yay! Anyways, no, I wouldn't definitely say that the evil sam was more of a dull-witted and stupid hobit than that poor Barliman dude was. Since Barliman was a human. *hides* Also, yes, I like the scene with Shelob, too. Gollum was so close to strangling the evil sam! :D
     
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    You mistook my words Yay. I was saying that sam is like barliman in that he may appear stupid or dul witted, but they both are very intelligent, and more then they seem.
    Anywho I personally think that smeagol could live in the shire. Do you not recall when the spell of the ring over gollum was nearly broken. Gollum reached out to touch frodo because the old weary hobbit had risen up in him, and he for an instant was alike to both the hobbits. But of course sam awoke and took the gesture the wrong way. I often wonder what would have happened if sam had not woken and yelled at gollum.

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    Ah. Got it. Well, no, I would say that the evil sam is definitely what he seems to be. Anyways, no, I do not recall the scene that you're talking about. :rolleyes: I really need to go read these bookses again. :rolleyes: Craziness. If the evil sam wasn't so evil, Gollum would have even more obviously become the hero.
     
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    You never know. Maybe gollum would have excepted the fait of the ring and allowed it to be thrown away. THe passage of which I speak is right before they enter shelobs layer when they rest after climbing the many stairs.
    Sam is a very hard character to know his mind. At first he seems a bit foolish, and less understanding of everything. But when all the plight of mordor has besieged him he becomes more valiant, and in a way most of doings make sense. But we shall never know, unless the great Tolkien writes a parallel story from his grave.


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    Yeah Sam would have been a better Ring-bearer. He was kinda dense so the Ring wouldn't get to him maybe. Frodo was not a good pick for the job. He was kind of a jerk to Sam later on. Gollum didn't help w/ that.
     
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    I think Frodo is a far better choice, the ring would have corrupted Sam pretty easily. Sam is one of my favorite characters, but as a ring bearer - I don't think it would turn out okay. Frodo was more sensitive, yes, but also more gentle.
     
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    Imo, yes. Sam would have been a better Ring bearer but eventually, the Ring will consume him like it did to Frodo, no matter how brave and strong resisting will Sam has.
     
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    In my opinion, Frodo AND Sam were intended to bear the ring - neither could have completed the task without the other. Another major theme of Tolkien, based on his religious faith, is divine providence (or fate). 'Luck' intervenes at important moments so that just the right thing happens. It was 'intended' that Sam accompany Frodo to Mordor, just as it was 'intended' that Bilbo find the ring.

    I also think that Frodo and Sam's relationship mirrors the British class system of the Victorian and Edwardian age (Tolkien's early years). The professor himself served as an officer in the trenches during Word War One and would have had a bat man (an 'assistant/companion' from the lower ranks) to take care of the mundane/common sense/day-to-day practicalities while he himself was concerned with more important matters. Sam is Frodo's bat man. It's a middle class vs lower class relationship, just like (in civilian life at the time) the master vs servant one.

    For good or ill, those days of class here in the UK are long gone and there seems to be an enmity between the two now - maybe there was then but Tolkien only focused on the good he saw (at least in Frodo and Sam - the Scourging of the Shire has an 'us and them' air to it').

    Oh, I'm digressing! I'll shut up now.
     
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    You made very good points!
     
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    I don't think you could deny he would have certainly been at the very least an adequate ring bearer, but his ability in assisting Frodo as a Ring Bearer, someone who was his employer and who he cared for very much, maybe surpasses that
     
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    I think that he for sure would have been a better ring bearer he as said in the book has a very pure soul. He also listened to directions very well. he also is very tough and cares about others.
     
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    I don't know about that. Sam thought of going back when he saw that the Shire was in danger, present or future, of running into trouble. I think the Ring would have picked up on that and used it to try and tempt him.
     

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