Is Beleriand part of Middle-earth?
This question was brought up in another thread, and it seems to me that both sides take it for granted that they're right, which obviously can't be so. I always assumed that it Beleriand was a part of ME, though obviously no longer a part by the time of the War of the Ring. I don't have my Silmarillion on me at the moment, but if someone could perhaps cite a passage where this question is cleared up...?
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I do not have a quote (if one does in fact exist?) but I do take it for granted that Beleriand was a part of ME.It was connected to the rest, wasn't it?
It's like asking if e.g.Spain is a part of Europe?
Do you see that piece of land over there? That used to be a lake. And then this one November, all these ducks come by, and they landed in that lake, and then the temperature dropped so fast the whole lake just froze. Then the ducks took off and took the whole lake with them. Now that lake's somewhere over in Georgia.
Beleriand was the western most part of Middle Earth, that is until it sank. Beleriand lay west of the Blue mountains, but was destroyed during the final overthrow of Morgoth.
If you compare the maps in the Sil and LotR, you can see how they used to fit together.
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Aye, that was always what I thought, but in another thread, Gil-Galad and Lantarion disagree and seem to take for granted that Beleriand is indeed not part of ME.
GG and Lantarion, or any who support them - What is your reasoning? (I'm not trying to pick on you...I'm just genuinely interested in figuring this out).
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I wanna know that too!Originally posted by LúthienTinúviel
Aye, that was always what I thought, but in another thread, Gil-Galad and Lantarion disagree and seem to take for granted that Beleriand is indeed not part of ME.
GG and Lantarion, or any who support them - What is your reasoning? (I'm not trying to pick on you...I'm just genuinely interested in figuring this out).
Do you see that piece of land over there? That used to be a lake. And then this one November, all these ducks come by, and they landed in that lake, and then the temperature dropped so fast the whole lake just froze. Then the ducks took off and took the whole lake with them. Now that lake's somewhere over in Georgia.
I said that?! Well I must have been high, because it is an obvious fact that Beleriand was a part of Middle-Earth until the Second Age when it was detached from Eriador and was cast under the waves by Illy. It was no longer a part of M-E during the Third Age, obviously; but anything different would have to be wrong. No offense though.
Could somebody dig that thread up? I'm not sure which one you're talking about LT..?
beyond cherry brumes, is the bell at Asakusa or Ueno that booms?
Who is the most beautiful woman in ME? Page 3 .
Perhaps I mistook you?
But even if I did...Gil-Galad backed you up...
I'm confused now.
The issue was that you two seemed to say that Lúthien could not be accounted among the fairest of ME because she did not live in ME... Is that right?
A poet is, before anything else, a person who is passionately in love with language. - W. H. Auden
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If you look at the mountains on the East of the Beleriand map, you can see I think the blue mountains(not with my books at moment) and the same mountains form the West border of Beleriand. These are the mountains where the Dwarf mansions of Nogrod and Belegrost were situated, and remember Thorin talking of the Anciet Dwarven mines in the Ered Luin?
Oh and Eru didn't cast Beleriand under the waves either it was the Valar during the War of Wrath.
if you have a look in the maps at the back of the Lord of the Rings, you will find that yes indeed beleriand is part of Middle Earth.
-Diamond Took
LOL, yes you did indeed misunderstand me! I thought I was quite clear in the above quote that the "Middle-Earth" that was included in the poll-question, "Who is the Most Beautiful Woman in Middle-Earth", might not have included the pre-Change Middle-Earth regions (namely Beleriand!). Of course Beleriand is a part of M-E; geez!Last posted by Lantarion
Mula, Lúthien did not live in Middle-Earth as such.. I'm not sure, but perhaps Beleriand was not included in the "Middle-Earth" this poll is dealing with.
beyond cherry brumes, is the bell at Asakusa or Ueno that booms?
Oh.Phew. Well, now I feel like a moron for posting this, but oh well. At least I won't be scartching my head for hours staring at your reply, Lantarion. Oy vey. Must just have been a bad day. I'm not usually this daft, I promise.
Thanks for clearing that up for me, guys. And sorry for misunderstanding you, Lantarion.
A poet is, before anything else, a person who is passionately in love with language. - W. H. Auden
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That's perfectly alright, mou man tai aa; and don't feel ashamed, every other day is a no-brainer for me!
Last edited by Lantarion; 09-20-2002 at 04:14 PM.
beyond cherry brumes, is the bell at Asakusa or Ueno that booms?
hear hear! As will I. You must not forget to tip me off about that vaccine when it is created. I could use a couple.Originally posted by Lantarion
That's perfectly alright, mou man tai aa; and don't feel ashamed, every other day is a no-brainer for me!
A poet is, before anything else, a person who is passionately in love with language. - W. H. Auden
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